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Topic: Do we ever really master our chart? T-square question.
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GeminiLover75
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posted March 21, 2007 01:28 AM
 
I'm just wondering... where there are afflictions or T-squares or whatever, say if we master that aspect... I'm thinking of my two T-squares:Mars in the 4th house, squaring Neptune and Venus Saturn in the 7th house, squaring Jupiter and Pluto. ... say these aspects have manifested in a particular way. With the first one, my parents got divorced when I was young and I became a really bad tempered child, but only ever at home (I wasn't a school bully or anything like that). With the second one, I got in a serious relationship with someone much older than me and when I had my Saturn return it all ended in tears. Now, I mastered my bad temper when I got slightly older. And I got involved with someone who couldn't be described as Saturnian in the least. But the T-squares still exist as problems for me, but in different ways - eg Saturn makes me fear losing my partner, there's an insecurity there... and at other times I feel restricted by relationships. So I'm wondering if we ever really do 'get over' the T-square - do the energies represented by the T-squares simply keep emerging in different ways and never go away??? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted March 21, 2007 02:17 AM
I would guess that, yes, they'll probably discipline you into submission for your whole life, but you'll probably also be able to accept their influence and incorporate their energies into your life in meaningful ways.IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
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posted March 21, 2007 04:45 AM
Yes, that's what I was wondering AG. So what would be a good way to successfully incorporate the energies? And if they can be incorporated in a way that's meaningful, then would this counteract any negative effects of those energies?IP: Logged |
thedividedsky
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posted March 21, 2007 07:40 AM
gemini-interresting.I am wondering if when a person has multiple t squares, do they become "addicted" to challenges? Could they, because they have had hard lessons to learn, subconsciously seek out the same things in every day life? IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
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posted March 21, 2007 08:01 AM
Interesting point - I sometimes wonder if I do that! I would love for things to be easy, but it seems they never are... so I wonder if it's of my own making! I do like a challenge.IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted March 21, 2007 10:45 AM
To deal with a t-square, focus on the empty leg of this aspect (the spot opposed to the square planet). For example, I have a t-square in which my Jupiter in 6th house Aqua squares my Mars in 9th house Taurus and my Pluto in 3rd house Scorpio. So the empty spot would be at 12th house Leo. What I learned about it was that I need to feel secure about my beliefs and visions (9th house Taurus), and I can be very stubborn and aggressive about it (Mars), yet I feel a constant urge to renew the whole structure and always be receptive for more knowledge (Pluto in 3rd house). This conflict is triggered when I come into social and humanitarian contacts or when I'm "at service" for others (6th house Aqua). But the way to be able to detach from the conflict and then gradually understand how to balance the opposed force is to focus on my inner side, and learning to value myself and gain courage (Leo 12th house). Only by being more confident I can be able to have faith on what I believe, yet also become receptive for the outside knowledge and not seeing it as a treat to my old beliefs.Resuming, we should first understand how the opposed forces works and complements and balances, and how it is triggered (by the square planet). Then we focus on the empty spot and find out how the energy of the empty spot can be used to deal with the t-square. Hope that it helped.. ^_^ IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
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posted March 21, 2007 07:13 PM
Thanks comica23! Would someone be able to have a look at my chart and work it out for me? I've never really understood how my T-square energies work apart from the planets at the apex, I'm not sure how the squares affect the apex planet or how the empty leg can help??? Any input would be appreciated!IP: Logged |
pearlized
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posted March 21, 2007 07:34 PM
thedividedsky, i think you have discovered something. I have three tsquares and secretly i know i am a addicted to some challeging things. its like i enjoy the disheaval it causes in my life and make those around me deal with it. nothing major but i am sure i am annoying to other people.
I was told by an astrologer the "answer" to my tsquares was in my 3rd(south node and chiron) and 7th houses(saturn,yikes).IP: Logged |
thedividedsky
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posted March 21, 2007 09:21 PM
I just did some looking up into the "empty Leg" of my 3 tsquares, and I have to admit they are areas I have a hard time dealing with......yikes!Oh well, what's life without it being difficult???? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted March 22, 2007 09:01 PM
I was hoping that maybe Wilson would show up, and talk more about that GemLover. It would probably be close to what Comica said.I'll look at your chart for you if you want. We can try to sort it out together. My email's in my profile. IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
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posted March 23, 2007 12:14 AM
Ooh ok thanks AG! I'll send it to you soonish.  IP: Logged |
wilsontc
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posted March 23, 2007 02:26 AM
Lover,You said:
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my two T-squares:
Mars in the 4th house, squaring Neptune and VenusSaturn in the 7th house, squaring Jupiter and Pluto...I mastered my bad temper when I got slightly older. And I got involved with someone
Comica covered the T-square theory very well. The idea is, since the focus is on the "T-square side" the release from the T-square is on the opposite side. From your chart: since the focus of your anger (Mars) is in the home (4th house), the release from the pressure is in your authority (10th house - opposite house from the 4th house) duty. So when you became the "master" the anger became less. Similarly since the focus of your restriction (Saturn) is in your relationships (7th house), the release from this restriction is by focusing on yourself (1rst house - opposite house from the 7th house). In the house, Tim IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
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posted March 23, 2007 02:41 AM
Sooo, in other words... be the boss and focus on myself... should be easy enough to do (I've always known I have to be the boss... I've found that I must have an outlet for that somewhere, and if it's not at work I play that role at home, which is not necessarily to people's liking.  )... is it really that easy? lol. Thanks Tim! IP: Logged |
Jan_A
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posted March 24, 2007 04:07 PM
How can you focus on something you don't have? Not plausible! Create a new T-square to solve the old T-Square? And what's about 2 opposite T-squares?
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wilsontc
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posted March 25, 2007 01:05 AM
Jan,The goal here is NOT to focus on the challenges (the T-square), but to take a break on them. You can focus on ANYTHING in your chart if you want. For example, people with no energy focused in the 2nd house (physical, also personal money) can still have money, but they don't concern themselves too much about it. So, if things get tough in other areas of their chart, taking a little "personal money time" is a break from the stresses and strains from all the things they DO care about. Rapping astro-theory, Tim IP: Logged |
GeminiLover75
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posted March 25, 2007 07:00 AM
That makes so much sense... you know, when I feel stressed/restricted/whatever in relationships, I tend to do things like going out by myself, buying clothes, doing my hair, stuff to do with my looks and feeling good about myself in that way... the 1st house. So I guess I do naturally do it. It IS like taking a break.IP: Logged |
Jan_A
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posted March 25, 2007 10:34 AM
Tim,
I only doubt the thing, that you must focus on opposition of something. Why opposition? And not Sextile or Trine? IP: Logged |
wilsontc
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posted March 25, 2007 01:49 PM
Jan,I am not talking about the opposition of the T-square, I am talking about the planet that is square to both sides of the opposition. THAT planet is the focus of the T-square and the house that planet is in is the focus of the T-square. So the house opposite it is the "take a break" area. Example: T-square focused on Mars (two planets in opposition are both square to Mars) focused in the 2nd house. Mars and the 2nd house is the focus of the T-square. So the 8th house, the house opposite the 2nd house is the "relief" house. Explaining, Tim IP: Logged |
Jan_A
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posted March 25, 2007 04:19 PM
Tim,
Okay One example- I have one planet on DC and other planet on IC. So I have 4 Squares there(AC and MC counts,right?). Where should I focus? It doesn't matter,where I focus, I will get at least 2 Squares anyway.
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wilsontc
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posted March 25, 2007 07:13 PM
Jan,You are talking about a possible GRAND SQUARE aspect pattern, not a T-SQUARE aspect. This would ONLY occur if the Ascendant is square both the Midheaven and the IC. A Grand Square, as you mention, has two oppositions and every planet or point in the aspect is square to two other planets or points. Yes, I use points (such as Ascendant, Descendant, etc.) in aspect patterns, so this would be a Grand Square pattern, in my opinion. However, since points do not have energy of their own and planets ARE energy, the stress would be strongest between the planetary energy on the Descendant (others) and the planetary energy on the IC (inner world). The greatest stress would be in combining (square = energy needs to be combine) others (Descendant) with your inner world (IC). Understanding, Tim IP: Logged |
Jan_A
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posted March 26, 2007 03:39 AM
Tim,
Thank you very much for the explanation.I have 1 Grand Square and 1 T-Square. Where can I give up this chart?
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wilsontc
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posted March 27, 2007 03:27 PM
Jan,You can post your chart here. Also include your birth info in case the posted chart link doesn't work, for some reason. Answering, Tim IP: Logged |
Jan_A
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posted March 27, 2007 05:27 PM
Hi Tim
I hope,I don't bother.
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comica23
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posted March 27, 2007 06:09 PM
Jan_A, I just noticed that you were born 8 days before me.. XD I'm also ascendant Virgo (but my ascendant is around 0º degrees.. XP ) and has a grand cross with AC/DC/IC/MC (thought I never really took this grand cross into consideration).. And you also has the t-square involving Mars/Pluto/Jupiter, but these planets are in another houses.. just for curiosity, what do you think about this t-square in your case? ^_^IP: Logged |
Jan_A
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posted March 28, 2007 02:26 AM
Hi comica23
You know, it is not simple for me to distinguish this T-Square from the whole chart. So, I can't blame it, when I am in a bad temper
2nd,5th and 8th houses should have to do something with money. I have enough money IP: Logged |
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