posted April 13, 2007 02:05 AM              

I'm wondering if there's more ppl out there, that really feel the desperate need to find meaning. I'm taking about life in general.

Often I find myself over-thinking about life to the point when I feel exhausted and disappointed cuz I can't "understand the REAL meaning of the whole *existence*, cant find answers to all the questions that pop in my head. Nothing that I read fulfils me.

So then I get depressed and just think that there is no real meaning, and at the end nothing really matters.

It's draining, and I'm conscious about my 'obsession' to find "THE" reason to all this, so then I try to relate it to Astrology and birth charts... I have 3 planets in the 9th house (Mars, Saturn, and Pluto).

Aha!. Makes sense

Hehe.

posted April 13, 2007 10:10 AM              

Not only the meaning of life but the meaning of love as well,specially love between a man and a woman.

Have found no definite answers either

Specially when I compare myself to other people, that really puzzles me.

oh yeah, and lets not talk about the difference between men and women and Yin-Yang , which I was just in a heated conversation with my best friend about this the other day.

I feel now I am stressing LOL

posted April 13, 2007 04:37 PM              

Anomie?- it reminds me of sociology classes back in highschool and Durkheim. Hah! Now, how do u relate it?- I can't remember much about it. Yes, I know I should appreciate the beauty of life and the little things. I've tried many times, and still am... but to feel fully happy I would like someday to understand it all.

Jane,
Oooh yes!, u know what?, when I finished highschool, Philosophy was one of my options- but I liked so many different things that didn't match with eachother... so I got confused and I picked a career, that I ended up dropping last year. (Talking about restlessness. Hehe )

Anyways, this year, I'm going to art college. But you know, I'm hearing you, and I'm liking the idea of philosophy classes too

Your English classes sound soo good!. I really enjoy all kinds of book.

And about Sd's post, oh yes, I've seen some! haha- out of this world!

posted April 13, 2007 05:11 PM              

I do pay attention to the small things in life and try to give more weight to those than the material things, and I try to be happy with that, but as you just said above, one day i would like to know it all.Why not?

here is my wheel thingy just in case you want to see it

Everytime i post this thing I feel expose, does anyone feel the same way?
Is like now people know who I am and I don't even know how to read my own stuff LOL

Kind of like those naked dreams in the middle of a class (although I have never experience one)

posted April 13, 2007 06:23 PM              

And I too remember Durkheim and anomie from University - but still searching *sigh*

posted April 13, 2007 06:32 PM              

Oh I see u are a fellow Cancer! (well, actually, I only have sun in cancer)

But you have moon and mercury there!. woah, I bet u are a VERY emotional being!. A question, do you like to write?, beacause you might have talent with words!

Just a guessing, because many ppl I've known with sun conjunct mercury in a water sign, are amazing writers. Can put their feelings into words in a poetical way so easily.

Ohh and u are from Peru!, I'm from Uruguay! haha. Que tal!? Bueno encontrar otra sudamericana por aqui.

Dulce Luna,
Having an empty 9th house is not a problem!-houses can be empty but they are still important. You just have to look at the sign of the cusp and it's ruler.

For example, in NAM's chart, the 9th house is empty too. The sign of the cusp in NAM's 9th house is Leo (being the sun the ruler of it). We should look at the sun and analyze where it's located and the aspects it receives. Then you would have many clues about how the person relates to ninth's house issues.

posted April 13, 2007 06:41 PM              

I really like that quote!
Ooh so u have Mars and NN. Interesting!.

Okay, so, now that we are talking about the 9th house. I have another questioN!

You know that the 9th house is not only about higher learning, philosophy and such but also about travelling.

How do u ppl feel about it?

I think I'm going out of subject here (or not, cuz it's a 9th thing) hmm...

Anyways... the urge I feel to discover the reasons of existence, is the same feeling I have to travel the world!. You know, seeing the different countries and seas with ones eyes. Woooahhh.

posted April 13, 2007 06:45 PM              

At my *cough* age I still find I have more questions than answers in my head.. maybe i always will. I find other people's 'set' answers too limiting for my liking sometimes, and not always satisfactory.

posted April 13, 2007 07:19 PM              

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NAM,
Oh I see u are a fellow Cancer! (well, actually, I only have sun in cancer)

But you have moon and mercury there!. woah, I bet u are a VERY emotional being!. A question, do you like to write?, beacause you might have talent with words!

Just a guessing, because many ppl I've known with sun conjunct mercury in a water sign, are amazing writers. Can put their feelings into words in a poetical way so easily.

Ohh and u are from Peru!, I'm from Uruguay! haha. Que tal!? Bueno encontrar otra sudamericana por aqui.

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Yay! I have a friend a veces me siento muy sola por aqui haha o jaja <---whichever

Yes, I do like to write, and yes I am very emotional, just the other day I went to Sea World and I was almost in tears when they were playing a sad song while the whale Shamu was swimming, something about all creatures being friends and a perfect world (animals and humans) but I had to block it out and not listen if not like I said I would start crying like a baby. (I’m a dumba$$)
Grammatically speaking I find it hard sometimes to write since there are specific words I would like to use in Spanish and/or English so I can relate the exact meaning of whatever I am feeling and if I translate it it looses that "powerful touch/meaning"
I used to write a lot before I got married and now that I am divorced I am writing again. It seems I am not a good writer if my life if full of monotonia <---this would be spanglish for you LOL

I have shared with few people some of my stories and they all have told me it is very deep, nice, heartfelt but no one has ever say it rhythms LOL (I am not shooting for that either)
well, very nice to meet you, I wish I knew as much as you guys do, I sound like a broken record as I always say the same thing but it is true, I just hang out here

....maybe one day I will start learning some, right now my hands are full with other issues.
maybe what I should do is start a thread about houses and how they can relate to people according to if they are empty or not, cusps etc.
It would probably also be a lot of info, but it could be something good since it would be organized per thread.
Don’t mind me just thinking out loud here

posted April 13, 2007 07:34 PM            

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Having an empty 9th house is not a problem!-houses can be empty but they are still important. You just have to look at the sign of the cusp and it's ruler.

For example, in NAM's chart, the 9th house is empty too. The sign of the cusp in NAM's 9th house is Leo (being the sun the ruler of it). We should look at the sun and analyze where it's located and the aspects it receives. Then you would have many clues about how the person relates to ninth's house issues.

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Well in that case, its mercury. Which recieves a trine from pluto, a sextile from the moon, and an opposition from neptune. Maybe that's why its always been so damn hazy.

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Yes, I do like to write, and yes I am very emotional, just the other day I went to Seaworld and I was almost in tears when they were playing a sad song while the whale Shamu was swimming, something about all creatures being friends and a perfect world (animals and humans) but i had to block it out and not listen if not like I said I would start crying like a baby

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Wow. Mushy moments involving animals make me tear up too. There not even like sad tears half of the time....

posted April 13, 2007 09:00 PM            

Another possibility is that you may never have had someone giving meaning to your actions and feelings properly...
I will try to explain this metaphorically. Imagine a tennis game or a chess game. You make a move and the other person builds something from it. Not only you've had your first move aknowledged, but you can then continue comunicating, because each of you is building something from the last thing the other did. Now convert this to comunication on an emotional level. Could it be possible that there is a part of you that was never attended to and awaits to be given a meaning?

posted April 13, 2007 09:32 PM              

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I believe that when we're feeling an emptiness of meaning or purpose, that we are in need of creating something very badly and sharing it...
Some people find it in writing poetry or beautiful stories, other in music or art, others in love

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See? not that easy to figure out huh? too many questions

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Feeling things don't make sense, implies an enormous need to fulfill a very lonely part of ourselves.

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Another possibility is that you may never have had someone giving meaning to your actions and feelings properly...
I will try to explain this metaphorically. Imagine a tennis game or a chess game. You make a move and the other person builds something from it. Not only you've had your first move aknowledged, but you can then continue comunicating, because each of you is building something from the last thing the other did. Now convert this to comunication on an emotional level. Could it be possible that there is a part of you that was never attended to and awaits to be given a meaning?

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I think whatever the answer is, it's hidden within you. Look inside. Try new things everyday... until you find something that really appeals to you an opens a new door. It may take a while. I bet that the day you find what you're looking for, whatever it may be, you're going to feel that it was worth all these years of hunger and that without it, you would have never found out.

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posted April 13, 2007 10:37 PM            

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“but lately I have been realizing that we are so different and relationships are so hard, that very few people can really say they are happy.Very sad! so they cheat and they live double lifes or they just act like animals and only pay attention to the animal side of them and not feelings and morals etc
Obviously all these can have many different points of view and who is really correct????
See? not that easy to figure out huh? too many questions”

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IMO, there is a difference between pleasure and happiness. Most people pursue pleasure and try to avoid pain as much as they can. So they end up doing those things you mentioned. I can guarantee you as a psychologist that these people are not happy. They live in denial or running away from themselves most of the time. So no, it's not correct.

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“now this i really don't agree on, and I am usually open to different points of view, maybe i am not understanding where you are coming from or I don't see the bigger picture, but, regardless, and as an example, why would "feeling love" for my kids be translated into fulfilling a void, sounds selfish when in reality is not, I love my kids and do everything for them , so how can that be about me?
As I said maybe i am just not understanding the gesture of it.”

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I’m not too sure about what you’ve interpreted from what I wrote, so I’ve edited that sentence. I added “THAT” between “Feeling” and “things”. I wasn’t talking about feelings in general.
But yes, love is born from the fact we are incomplete and actually become emotionally/spiritually richer when we bond with other people. Our relationships with others give meaning to ourselves. Human beings are lonely beings. Personally, I don’t find that selfish, but beautiful.

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“It sounds like the meaning of life is within us in earth form. I give, you receive and vice-versa. I was going deeper than that. What about a creator , what is wrong and what is right? as humans we can all come up with a wrong and a right but what is it in reality? Does the life of a prostitute a bad one, an a nun a good one? and if it is, according to who? where you get that from? (I know the example is a extreme one but I am trying to make a point)”

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I meant that what you call the need to find the meaning of life is a dislocation of the need to find the meaning of ourselves on an emotional level. Wright and wrong? Life of a prostitute/nun good or bad? To me the answer is always in the heart. Not mine, theirs. It’s always about love. I don’t think the questions you are raising are deeper, because they sound intellectual and metaphysical to me.
So Iet me quote John Nash to illustrate my point: "I've always loved numbers. They have taken me from the mathematical to the metaphysical to the delusional, and back again. But it is only in the mysterious equations of love that reason can be found." And, nodding to his wife in the audience Nash concluded, "I wouldn’t be standing here if it wasn’t for you… you’re all my reasons."

posted April 13, 2007 10:46 PM              

write the word quote in the bracket.So it will look like this:
[quote]

then write what you want to say after that first code and after you are finish writing , do the same quote code but this time add a / before the word quote.I will use a parenthesis to ilustrate what i am saying because if not it will quote and you won't be able to see what i am saying.

(quote)blah blah blah (/quote)

posted April 13, 2007 10:48 PM              

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So Iet me quote John Nash to illustrate my point: "I've always loved numbers. They have taken me from the mathematical to the metaphysical to the delusional, and back again. But it is only in the mysterious equations of love that reason can be found." And, nodding to his wife in the audience Nash concluded, "I wouldn’t be standing here if it wasn’t for you… you’re all my reasons."

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posted April 13, 2007 10:58 PM            

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NAM is a nice person

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posted April 14, 2007 05:27 PM              

NAM,
Ooh pues que bien!- ahora somos dos. Yo no soy de esas personas que participa seguido, pero dos por tres me vas a ver por aqui =)
Que lindo conocerte!!

So u are writing again? that's great!!. "Monotonia"... yeah, tell me about it. haha. I guess it kills everything.

Dulce Luna,
Ooh an opposition from Neptune that's not an easy one. Uh?

Kamots,
It's weird but I got this feeling from you. And I don't know you at all.
Well, I've never thought it that way. And it got me thiniking. But I've come to the conclusion that it's not my case specifically. You know, it's my passion to find and discover the reason(s) behind things. (A friend told me I should be an investigator instead of doing art). haha! And makes sense. I have a strong scorpio influence.
Anyway, it's not that I don't find meaning in the things I do everyday. I was referring to the need to find a 'superior' meaning. And understand all the connections.

But that's because I like to complicate things/life. haha. It makes it more interesting. Anyways, I will try not to get discourage if I don't find answers and keep on looking.

After all, like you said, the final answer lies between ourselves.