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Topic: Retrograde VENUS in the Natal Chart
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comica23
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posted April 18, 2007 12:20 PM
  
Jan_A, yeah I guess that this is one of the things to learn. ^_^ We should love ourselves and be confident of our worth and our capacities. And when we stop to be insecure, we will be able to understand other people's love for us. When we feel so insecure we become dependent, and then we would start demanding ensurance and affections/demonstrations that we actually can't realize how much the other person really loves us (coz other people has their different ways of loving us, but we sometimes might not realize it). ^_^IP: Logged |
Diandra23
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posted April 18, 2007 12:24 PM
Jan_A thankx  IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 18, 2007 12:42 PM
It's easy to say we should be more independent.
Sure, we should all be universes unto ourselves.
That would be ideal.
But that is not realistic in the least.And besides, dependency can be a beautiful thing,
as Thomas Moore suggests in his wonderful book "Care of the Soul".
Don't we want relationships that matter?
Don't we want to feel truly important to people,
and that they are truly important to us?
Pain is a part of life, and it is especially a part of love.
We can learn to set up walls and distances between each other,
or we can be open and vulnerable to each other.
The real thing is not to stop looking for love,
but, to look in the right places.
Cultivate it in yourself, by all means, if you can.
The reality is that people with Venus in Retrograde experience a difficulty
doing this which others cannot begin to relate to.
If we are in a relationship with someone who is stingy on the love,
should we have to accustom ourselves to sharing less love?
Or should they learn to share more love?
OR, should we perhaps find someone like ourselves,
who enjoys nothing more than sharing love?
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 18, 2007 12:47 PM
Coral,It is your personal taste which concludes that VenusRx gives too much love, at times. In my experience, we give love the way it is meant to be,
and, if we turn cold when it is not appreciated,
that is only natural.
After all,
the ball is still in the other person's court. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted April 18, 2007 05:47 PM
HSC, I agree with you lol.. specially with "It's easy to say we should be more independent." It is always easier to say. But just telling a person to be more independent is just like telling someone to cut the drugs coz it's dangerous, but not telling him/her how to.
In my opinion, being in love means compromising ourselves, and also being dependent to each other in some way. But there are healthy ways of dependency and unhealthy ways. Wishing for affections and demonstrations of love from other people is just normal.. but we also have to be strong by ourselves. ^_^ after all, no matter how much the other person loves us, this person also has his/her own life, and no matter how much he/she would want to be there for us in every moment of our sadnesses, sometimes it's just impossible. Sometimes, we have to be strong by ourselves. And it is not just for ourselves. Coz when we become stronger and more capable of dealing our own problems (in other words, being more independent), we can also become stronger for the people we love.Sometimes, we would be so drowned in sadness and pain that we just wish so much for the ones we love to nourish and heal our scars.. But it is important to understand that even thought they might not be able to heal us sometimes (even when they might wish they could), their love for us is still true, and they want us to be stronger.. ^_^ It is fine to depend emotionally on the ones we love, it is just normal. But for ourselves and also for them, we should learn to be stronger. ^_^ IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency
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posted April 18, 2007 10:06 PM
Hi Jan,Yes I think it's important to love yourself for the person you are HSC, that's not quite true. With the first guy - who is my age, it wasn't my taste as much as the way he behaved. I'd rather not go into it though.. but it was just very inconsiderate behavior.. The problem, from my perspective, wasn't him giving or not giving love - as much as his double agenda in doing both. I wouldn't mind something that seems excessive, if it was genuine.. Coming form him, it wasn't.
I guess that's somewhat circular.. so you could say - it's actually the fact that he was in one extreme today and in another tomorrow.. that led me to believe his feelings were false. Maybe I was wrong in thinking that. With my relative, that isn't my personal conclusion. It's everyone else's conclusion and the way this person is perceived. I don't mind the way he displays affection nor do I personally find it false.. I have an earth Moon so that may be part of it.
On the other hand, I can understand why he is perceived that way.. facial expression (body language) seem artificial at times.. I don't believe they are, but I can see why someone could get that impression. IP: Logged |
Stargazer
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From: just left of center
Registered: May 2009
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posted April 19, 2007 11:15 AM
"The real thing is not to stop looking for love,
but, to look in the right places"My second husband also has a Virgo Venus that makes a conjunction with mine. Mine is rx, his is not... What a pair we were..lol
We also had conjunct Moons in Aries.. not an easy combo for sure... He is a Cancer Sun and I'm a Virgo and boy did that ever make a difference...While he was emotional on the surface.... I feel things more viscerally.. It's there but but so much more controlled... I would let myself bring it to the surface when I felt unappreciated and that was often. Inconsideration sets me off like a bullet... I can go from "an equisite delight" (Linda Goodman) to Biatch in a heartbeat when I don't feel appreciated or when Inconsideration or apathy come to pass. I tend to give myself away or not at all...
I have that Independant streak which for me means don't fence me in... The balance between my need to give and my need to be independent is a very thin tightrope...
Because I have a problem keeping my balance, I tend to attract very self-centered takers...
I have never been described as superficial and am very affectionate and sexual but, alot of connections on many levels need to happen in order for that to take place...
Otherwise, my chart ruler, Saturn starts building the walls. Most men I've met don't have what it takes to "plug in" . They skip that part... and it is doomed....For me, it is definetly "Engage my mind... the heart will follow" just an rx'er doing a little venting IP: Logged |
Arnicka
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posted April 19, 2007 12:16 PM
Is it a new book??IP: Logged |
Diandra23
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posted April 19, 2007 12:51 PM
Well, being a morning star, i really see myself on that definition.
Finally, something explains why am so misunderstood with my set of high values and ideals...and itīs true i love arts in general and can find beauty in specific and ordinary things that others usually dont.
And also, even when i have many people around me ( friends and family) i usually feel my loneliness as being a part of myself. Although i know im loved, i feel diferent from others and somehow, my expectations are always unfullfield.
A long time ago, i wasnt able to show my affection to others very easy, but deep within me, my feelings are so intense.
I learned to show them in order not only to receive, but to finally be myself and understood by others.
Usually, they thought i was bit cold,selfish and narcisic. But the truth is that im not any of those things(im virgo with libra asc).
And also have problems about loving myself and confident on my worth as a individual.
A year ago met someone special,and with him i wasnt afraid of destructing my walls and show him my vulnerability.
But still feels i give/show more love and thatīs not fully understood by him, who says i should also be more independent.
He is a libra but many ytimes i ask myself why do i feel im more Libra than him and heīs more Virgo than me!Well, i just needed to talk and let me free.
I do know im a very complex person. 
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anno_lucis
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From: one extreme to the other, no room for practical ;)
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posted January 05, 2013 10:30 AM
i was doing a bit of reading on this last night, i think mine's the evening star. interesting article.IP: Logged |
Sailor Gemini
Knowflake Posts: 65
From: Magellan Castle
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 17, 2013 12:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Heart--Shaped Cross:
It's easy to say we should be more independent.
Sure, we should all be universes unto ourselves.
That would be ideal.
But that is not realistic in the least.And besides, dependency can be a beautiful thing,
as Thomas Moore suggests in his wonderful book "Care of the Soul".
Don't we want relationships that matter?
Don't we want to feel truly important to people,
and that they are truly important to us?
Pain is a part of life, and it is especially a part of love.
We can learn to set up walls and distances between each other,
or we can be open and vulnerable to each other.
The real thing is not to stop looking for love,
but, to look in the right places.
Cultivate it in yourself, by all means, if you can.
The reality is that people with Venus in Retrograde experience a difficulty
doing this which others cannot begin to relate to.
If we are in a relationship with someone who is stingy on the love,
should we have to accustom ourselves to sharing less love?
Or should they learn to share more love?
OR, should we perhaps find someone like ourselves,
who enjoys nothing more than sharing love?
You wouldn't believe how much I agree with this. Evening Star Aphrodite is my Chart Ruler and is retrograde at 14 degrees Gemini. ------------------
Oh my Gods. IP: Logged | |
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