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NAM
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posted April 28, 2007 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to you guys.....Is love a direct result of zodiac compatability or does love go above and beyond the synastry part of a zodiac sign.

I hope i am asking the question rght, I have been talking spanish all day long LOL

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posted April 28, 2007 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi ^_^ astrologically, to understand the compatibility between two person, we still have to look at other stuffs such as the composite and the progressed synastry/composite for example, in order to be able to tell more about their relationship.

Non-astrologically, I'd say that compatibility between two person's personality is not enough, there are lotsa other factors for a relationship to actually work.
And besides, best compatibility can be ruined by immaturity and lack of understanding for each other, while the worst compatibility can be worked out with devotion, maturity and understanding.. nothing is really granted.. ^_^;

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posted April 28, 2007 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Linda Goodman’s “Relationship Signs” page 196:

If only Earthlings would realize the power of love to conquer any kind of misery or unhappiness like a mighty magic wand, it wouldn’t matter whether two people’s birth charts were full of positive or so-called negative aspects because love can conquer the influences of the planets. It can even eliminate karma. Yes, if only humans truly understood this. Well, it’s the Aquarian age of serendipity, so maybe someday soon.

From Steven Forrest: http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html
To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

**The Truth About Astrology** (from “The Changing Sky”)
Astrology is humanity’s oldest and most precise mindmap. It cannot, however, accurately predict events. The planets hold half the cards; you hold the rest. Choices you make within the astrological environment determine what actually happens to you.
We are free. No rigid, fatalistic prediction can bind us. There is no astrological event so baleful that creativity, intelligence and honest self-appraisal cannot turn it to constructive uses – and there is no configuartion so glorious that selfishness and laziness cannot sour it.

The purpose of moderm predictive astrology is to help people make better choices, to clarify the nature of the psychological terrain through which they are passing, and to serve as their ally in the endless, unpredictable task of creating the future.

From Marcia Sacks: http://www.mountainastrologer.com/sacks1000.html
Just as there is variety but no perfection in horoscopes, there can be love and companionship but no happily-ever-after in relationships. However, even folks with very difficult horoscopes can have healthy, successful relationships if they can accept that relationships require work. I think of it like gardening: You need seeds, soil, nourishment, water, and maintenance to grow something of beauty.

Remember that relationships are not a cure for depression. Other people cannot obliterate your feelings of loss, lack, and limitation. If you feed yourself positivity through affirmation and imagery, if you pat yourself on the back and nurture yourself, you will begin to attract more positive, supportive people in your life.

From Bill Herbst: http://www.billherbst.com/
Human beings are not signs of the zodiac, and astrology neither reveals nor determines the quality of our consciousness. The expresson of our charts is largely a function of our maturity, rather than the other way around. Our species is chock full of human beings who are mired in seemingly permanent adolescence, no matter what their age or elevation in culture. In terms of spiritual development, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. Nonetheless, the water exists. We choose.

And the best one:
From Liz Greene ~
I am always left with the feeling that if you only approach the issue of relationship in a technical way, by just comparing two charts or drawing up a composite chart, or any of the other range of techniques that we have, then some very fundamental, very important points get lost. To me, the thing that gets lost is the fact that every relationship contains an element of mystery that ultimately can't be defined, can't be explained. The essence of human interchange is like the essence of the person, and the essence of the person is not in the horoscope. I don't think we will ever find it in the horoscope. Bear in mind the fact that the chart you have in front of you could easily be that of a chicken, or of the opera society, for there is nothing in the chart that demonstates that it's human. But something works thru it which is uniquely the individual soul or individuality of the person. I believe this applies also to interchange between two people. The acknowledgement of some kind of mystery, some god at work, I believe is terribly important, because without that, all your techniques leave you, in the end, with unanswered questions.

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girlloveboy
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posted April 28, 2007 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe REAL love is above everything...
The charts can only show our personalities, and NOT our souls.
And REAL love is a magic connection between two souls and not between personalities

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NAM
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posted April 28, 2007 04:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand already your points of view because they are mine as well, sometimes I just need to see things in front of me in black and white to be able to assimilate them but if we come to the conclusion that love is not written in our charts and it is not a part of compatibility of our personanlities then what is it?
And here are thoughts I have with no answers:

~Usually when we like someone we look in our charts and we figure out that certain aspects give us things in common, correct? we are not drawn to people we have nothing in common with, -according to our charts-

~We also know that without desire we wouldn't get together with anyone, and if we look at our charts we also find that we in deed had that going for us.

So, it obviously starts with a compatibility of personalities and attraction, but then what? is not sacred/ it won't last long if we don't work at it? we can ruin it and it be gone without being able to bring it back?


I know I have more questions and I had some good points to think about but when i started reading what you guys wrote I forgot LOL

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NAM
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posted April 28, 2007 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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believe REAL love is above everything...
The charts can only show our personalities, and NOT our souls.
And REAL love is a magic connection between two souls and not between personalities

So how do you know when is love? is it a one way street or a two way street, can a one way street love be obssession but not love?

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NAM
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posted April 28, 2007 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am always left with the feeling that if you only approach the issue of relationship in a technical way, by just comparing two charts or drawing up a composite chart, or any of the other range of techniques that we have, then some very fundamental, very important points get lost. To me, the thing that gets lost is the fact that every relationship contains an element of mystery that ultimately can't be defined, can't be explained. The essence of human interchange is like the essence of the person, and the essence of the person is not in the horoscope. I don't think we will ever find it in the horoscope. Bear in mind the fact that the chart you have in front of you could easily be that of a chicken, or of the opera society, for there is nothing in the chart that demonstates that it's human. But something works thru it which is uniquely the individual soul or individuality of the person. I believe this applies also to interchange between two people. The acknowledgement of some kind of mystery, some god at work, I believe is terribly important, because without that, all your techniques leave you, in the end, with unanswered questions.


I like this, but unlike people that are already into reading charts I don't go and compare myself to others, and even if I did I really don't know how to come up with the right reading, i haven't even ask the one boy I really like about his birth time because I just don't want to know, I feel if I know what the bad things about him are then i am going to focus on that and mess up everything, i feel I like to learn to know him as I go.


It seems in the end love does start in the charts somehow with compatibility but then it progresses as we work at it and it is constant work.But it also seems that there is something else more because i do know of another guy I am very compatible with but I don't intuitively feel as if we belong together.

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girlloveboy
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posted April 28, 2007 05:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi NAM

in my view "LOVE" is just a word which means different things to everybody so in a way its impossible to define.
When you're in love you cant explain what you feel...

Of course, we attract people with who we are "compatible",and share similar fields of interest and etc. unless we wouldnt understand each other and wouldnt be able to live together.
But as Comica said, compatibility is far not everything...

And only YOU know when you're in love, as everybody see and feel it in a different ways. Just listen to your heart and soul,'cause they are never lie.
When you feel that you are not able to express your feelings,then you're surely in love. For me love is sth like a magic, you cant explain nor understand it,but still you're very sure that is sth real.

i dont know whether you believe in reincarnation...
If you do - actually i do - then you can see why i said REAL love is between our souls...i believe our souls are coming to the Earth time after time in different body's with different personalities,and those who share the "IMMORTAL LOVE" will meet in many reincarnatons 'cause they will "know" each other whatever their current personalities are.
Because sth invisible connect them... what we call LOVE.
Just in nowadays material world this REAL love seems to lose its importance to many people, or they not even recognize it....

Hope i could help you a little

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NAM
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posted April 29, 2007 10:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like to break this analogy in pieces, let's start little by little, I really have the need to understand this!


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Of course, we attract people with who we are "compatible",and share similar fields of interest and etc.


Is this attraction you talk about aside to beauty? like I see specially guys will be "attracted" to women, then again women are beautiful; but I don't see women being in the same boat, I can't speak for a lot of women but I know personally it is very , extremely hard for me to go out and find even one guy in a room full of people attractive, once I find one then it becomes more.
So, do you think guys confuse the feeling of admiring beauty with attraction?

Now, lets define attraction:
~quality; magnetic charm; fascination; allurement; enticement: the subtle attraction of her strange personality.
~a person or thing that draws, attracts, allures, or entices: The main attraction was the after-dinner speaker.
~a characteristic or quality that provides pleasure; attractive feature: The chief attractions of the evening were the good drinks and witty conversation.
~Physics. the electric or magnetic force that acts between oppositely charged bodies, tending to draw them together.

^so according to the dictionary and the kind of attraction I am speaking of would be more than just beauty, it is personality, chemestry, wisdom, things in common,even smell!!!

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girlloveboy
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posted April 29, 2007 10:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

I think again attraction is sth you CANT define since everybody finds different things to be attractive.
Thats normal,that especially for boys beauty is an important fact, BUT if theres no more than just physical attraction, than i would not call it as a REAL love, and dont think a relationship like this would last long.

Hope i not misunderstand you,lol

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NAM
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posted April 29, 2007 11:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi
I think again attraction is sth you CANT define since everybody finds different things to be attractive.
Thats normal,that especially for boys beauty is an important fact, BUT if theres no more than just physical attraction, than i would not call it as a REAL love, and dont think a relationship like this would last long.

Hope i not misunderstand you,lol


No, i am not confused by what you are saying, I am confused by ertain things people do, and I do.

Basiclly I think I know when it is real and when it is not, but boys don't seem to know right away when it is real and when it is not.
I have also seen to where some boys think obssession is love, and rather see me dead then with someone else.that is not love to me.

Just trying to understand how guys think, and trying to understand what love really is.

Also trying to understand why there can be more than one love partner, if my soul comes back from the heavens and I get reincarnated , I have two kids with a partner and then i find my soulmate where does the first guy I shared some of my life with stand?

We should just fall in love with the one and not be allow to fall in love with anyone else.
It would make things a lot easier

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girlloveboy
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posted April 29, 2007 11:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea i can understand you, life its not easy, especialy boys not

About soul mates, i also believe we have more than one "close" soul mate. And because of it these soul mate relationships are not necassary last for a whole life, maybe one will, others just for a shorter period.
Because with soul mates we have sth to learn in life after life, and it may takes a whole life or just some years, month...
Of course its sth really hard to understand and accept but somehow we must.

I would recommend you this book, its soo good
Michael Newton: Journey of Souls

Wish you all the best

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moggym
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posted April 29, 2007 01:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my God! Girlloveboy I just finished reading that book last week!!!!

It's fantastic, I really think that it's great reading! It helps put things in perspective.....

Hugs Melindy

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girlloveboy
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posted April 29, 2007 02:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Melindy

Good to know im not the only who was amazed by this book

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NAM
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posted April 29, 2007 03:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, I'll get the book.Barnes n Nobel here I come.... one more time!

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MoonDreamer81
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posted April 29, 2007 05:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm reading that book now too!!How cool!!Also "Destiny of Souls" by the same author!Both are VERY good!

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