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Topic: Astrological blues?
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MUSTANG
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posted May 01, 2007 10:38 AM
 
When you look at your chart does it ever make you feel upset? I know with me, there are some things in my chart I just don't like, and when I read interpretations of the placements sometimes it can make me uneasy.Specifically, I don't like my 12/1 house saturn and my 7th neptune. Although I tend to look at it as knowledge is power, I wish I didn't have these. It would be so much easier. Anyone else ever feel this way? IP: Logged |
girlloveboy
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posted May 01, 2007 11:05 AM
Hi,I had similar thoughts about my chart,and still for example ,i dont like my Venus in Taurus, sooo possessive and what worst, it conjuncts Algol(yay) But just think about that its not by chance how our charts look like.Everything is for reason, just you have to find it.
DOnt be worried or angry about your placements, 'cause we cant change them, lol rather try to ACCEPT them and then cope with them, learn from them...
Life is about to develop..... Good luck 
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alanabelle86
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posted May 01, 2007 11:31 AM
Idk. To not like my chart is to not like myself...in a way. There are things, traits that represent things within myself that I know I have to work on and cannot stand..For example
-My horrible short fuse (Mars opposite Moon)
-Tendency to overreact about little things, promise more than I can deliver(Jupiter in 3rd)
-Being an intolerable know-it-all (Mars in Aqua/Uranus in the 1st, Jupiter in the 3rd)
-My constant problems with Commitment vs. Freedom(Uranus in the 1st, Moon in the 8th)
-Being afraid of crying, asking for help, showing weakness or vulnerability
-Being an impossible, uncompromising drama queen...(Moon in Leo) And the worst...
--having so much hope for all things in life, that I always miss what's right in front of me (Sag AC, Neptune in the 1st) *sigh* but without all of those incessently annoying traits that I bother myself with, I just wouldn't be myself without them...remember that when you get down. You chart doesn't make you who you are, YOU make you who you are. Just because you have an aspect you don't like doesn't mean you can't work against it :heart IP: Logged |
teaologist
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posted May 01, 2007 11:56 AM
Don’t worry, Mustang! I’ve been there before too, many times, as I’m sure many of us have. I have a whole buncha red going on in my chart with Saturn and Pluto hosting the pity party. I was like, ‘Why, God, why did you make me this way???’ and my self-loathing 12th-house Moon interp became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I think, along the way, I learned to discard some of the more terrible things I was reading about myself, as I was feeling guilty about things that were not even really me (which I hope you are not doing!). Well, whatever the case, no one is perfect and maybe you shouldn't get down on yourself too much. There was an article that was posted here about how those with ‘perfect’ charts (lots of trines, sextiles, etc.) aren’t necessarily perfect themselves, as their understanding of challenge may not be as developed as those with lots of hard aspects. Everyone's got something to work on, something good, something scary, etc. You should be proud that you're even at this pt of spiritual self-awareness. I'm sure you will pull through. IP: Logged |
SLAYER
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posted May 01, 2007 02:41 PM
When I first started studying Astrology, I had the same awful feeling, not liking some of my placements as I read their interpretations. But in time, I got more knowledgeable about charts and the supreme idea beyond charts. I believe we chose our own placements before we were born. And we just dont remember that. Now, I love all my placements, even the difficult ones, because a spiritual growth without obstacles is not possible. Victory tastes bitter! I try to understand the nature of those harsh placements and why I wanted them to be like that. It is never easy Mustang. But once you get the whole point, you will feel a lot better about yourself and your placements.  IP: Logged |
starr33
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From: Does it matter?
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posted May 01, 2007 03:52 PM
I'm not exactly crazy with my Mars in Taurus in the 9th; it's taking a devilishly long time to finish college, but then I say to myself-it will by done. I'm a plodder, and I accept it.IP: Logged |
Stargazer
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From: just left of center
Registered: May 2009
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posted May 01, 2007 06:06 PM
My chart is absolutely the worst I've ever seen...Even the "good" stuff gets a bad rap.. 
But you can't change it... you just have to be present for each day... and try to fill yourself with all the joy you can find...
Accept life's challenges and remember that
"The greater the adversity, the bigger the reward"..Maybe next time around.. IP: Logged |
Neferemi
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posted May 01, 2007 09:15 PM
Everyone feels cheated in their chart somehow at some point. It's natural to want a chart with all the "best" positions and easy aspects, but you have to wonder whose idea of "best" you are going by... You know who I think has a craptacular chart (and by that I mean uninteresting) complete with a really, really icky Saturn? Madonna. And she certainly was able to make the most of her placements... Everything I've read about Saturn conjunct Asc/1st House makes me think the placement has great benefits - it's good for comedians, artists, writers, anyone who expresses their true self to the world. Now, overcoming your difficulties in getting there isn't easy, but that's just Saturn. Wherever your Saturn is, you're going to be sensitive because that planet will just not let you get away with being lazy. The following loopy, visionary, fiercely talented people all have Saturn in the 1st House:
John Lennon, Jean-Pierre Foucault, Michel Foucault, Carl-Gustav Jung, William Shakespeare, René Magritte, Abraham Lincoln, Julius Cesar, Orson Wells, JRR Tolkien, Joan Baez, Edouard Manet, Emperor Charlemagne, Roberto Rossellini, Paul Klee, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kiri Te Kanawa, Robert Louis Stevenson, Fred Astaire, Mary Shelley, Enrico Caruso, Chuck Berry, Percy Bysshe Shelley, Paolo Gucci, Aubrey Beardsley, Brian Wilson, Gloria Swanson, Eddie Van Halen, Terry Jones (Monty Python), Henry David Thoreau, Alan Leo (great astologer), Théodore Rousseau, Neal Cassady (Beat writer, inspiration for and hero of Kerouac's On the Road), Ken Kesey, Robert Altman, Louisa May Alcott, Ian Fleming, Irving Berlin, WH Auden, Will Rogers, Roger Zelzany, Niccolo Paganini, Johann Von Goethe, and Benjamin Franklin. Oh,and William Shatner! You share also share Neptune in the 7th with the following fabulous folks:
Charlie Chaplin, Mother Theresa, Dave Gahan, Audrey Hepburn, Stephen Arroyo (great astrologer), René Magritte, Paul Newman, Oscar Wilde, Deepak Chopra, Colette, Marc Chagall, Truman Capote, and William Shatner. Hey – that makes TWO placements you share with Le Shatner and Magritte. Try to not be too down on yourself! Enjoy what you have and remember that your chart is just a representation not the absolute dictator of your life. IP: Logged |
Stargazer
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posted May 01, 2007 09:42 PM
Saturn in the 2nd rx in it's fall Aries
quincunx Venus in the 7/8 rx Virgo (fall)
Only aspect it makes (Saturn) and of course I'm a Virgo with like 5 of the 9 in that sign... It's bad.. It's true... but again, you can't change it so you just deal and make the best of it!I do feel cheated in a way.. like I deserved better. IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted May 01, 2007 10:06 PM
I actually prefer squares and oppositions. I think they give a person more "pizzazz" and keep life interesting IP: Logged |
pseudofemme
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posted May 02, 2007 12:11 AM
Some of the strongest, most resilient, and most interesting people I know have very "challenging" charts. It's the difficult aspects that make us grow. Without them, we have no incentive to improve ourselves.Embrace those challenging aspects. Working through them will pay off in the long run. I know more than a few people with beautiful, easy charts -- grand trines galore, few hard aspects -- and these people seem to coast through life without doing anything noteworthy. If things are easy we take them for granted. Also remember that ALL aspects have a positive AND negative side, so no placement or aspect is entirely bad. IP: Logged |
starr33
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From: Does it matter?
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posted May 02, 2007 06:19 PM
I agree with you folks about callenging aspects helping you grow and gives character.
I've learned to like my Sun, Uranus, and Pluto in the 2nd squaring my Moon 11th and Saturn 10th. I'm learning how to discipline myself to get what I need and want out of life. It's not easy, but I have faith that I'll come out on top. IP: Logged |
MUSTANG
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posted May 03, 2007 02:16 PM
Thanks for all of the pep talks I'm usually really positive about the bad aspects of my chart, but recently I am questioning the whole thing. I mean,it can be so fatalistic - you read things and they seem carved in stone, depending upon the astrologer. I have a few bad aspects going on right now; pluto square pluto and Saturn square AC, which thankfully is ending this month - I've had the saturn transit for over a year now, so I'm glad it's ending. Its prediction was true and I'm glad, but I'm also glad to see it go. The pluto square pluto I got early. It doesn't usually happen until you're about 40. I'm glad to get it out of the way now, but it's still tough. I don't know exactly when it ends, but I think it isn't until late 2008... Neferemi: Thanks for all of that detail you posted. That was so sweet! I almost hate to tell you, but I have saturn at the end of the 12th, so I only share one placement with Shatner. Stargazer: I have saturn(12th/1st) quincunx venus in the 8th. I wonder if we feel it the same way? I agree with everyone about working out negative aspects and that they can be beneficial. It's just right now I don't feel that way, really. My progressed moon is about to change signs and I read that can cause problems until the native(me) gets acclimated to it. Anyway, thanks.
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Neferemi
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posted May 03, 2007 03:27 PM
Just one commonality with Le Shatner? *dang* I was so excited for you!Well, let me know if you ever need a list of people with 12th House Saturns, okay? IP: Logged |
MUSTANG
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posted May 03, 2007 09:24 PM
I knew you'd be disacppointed! Sorry, lol.I'd LOVE a list of 12th house saturnians, Thanks in advance. IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted May 03, 2007 10:45 PM
Gotta love that 12th house Saturn...!IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted May 03, 2007 10:55 PM
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Well, let me know if you ever need a list of people with 12th House Saturns, okay?
Yeah, how 'bout that list? Cuz this 12th house saturn is also curious.
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Neferemi
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posted May 04, 2007 01:34 AM
Here's that list of folks with Saturn in their 12th House. What I noticed while compiling is that there is a lot of political activity among them. You've got politicians and super-successful millionaires, but you also have artists who are concerned with "inequalities" - gender, financial, social class, etc. Even Olivia Netwon-John is active in breast-cancer awareness campaigns. Galileo, Virginia Woolf, Wassily Kandinsky, Bill Cosby, Tobey Maguire, Olivia Newton-John, Edie Sedgwick, Cameron Diaz, George W. Bush, Barbara Bush (GW Bush’s mum), Angelina Jolie, Bela Bartok, Anne Boleyn, Audrey Tautou, Camilla Parker-Bowles, Jacques Chirac, Bono, Freddie Mercury, George Washington, Alexander Graham Bell, Sylvia Plath, Sean Lennon, Errol Flynn, Nancy Reagan, Ricky Martin, Whitney Houston, Franz Schubert, Charles Darwin, Indira Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi, Andrew Carnegie, Walt Whitman, Dante Alighieri, Tama Janowitz, Gertrude Stein, Juan Peron, Arlo Guthrie, Geraldine Ferraro (1st female vice-presidental candidate in the US), PG Wodehouse, Quentin Crisp, Erica Jong, Gore Vidal, Vladimir Putin, Madame du Barry, Charlton Heston, Steve Martin, Chris Rock, Mark Twain, Alanis Morissette, Federico Fellini, Tyra Banks, Donald Trump, Aristotle Onassis, James Redfield (author of The Celestine Prophesies) & the fabulous Nico IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted May 04, 2007 02:18 AM
I like my chart. The more I know it, the more I like it. It's a great chart to be alive!  IP: Logged |
MUSTANG
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posted May 05, 2007 01:22 PM
Thanks a lot, Neferemi! Now, I know why Dante wrote "The Inferno." With a 12th house saturn he lived the seven levels of Hell and he needed to write about it! I always felt Angelina and I must have something similiar in our charts. Just her energy. She needed a purpose greater than herself to be happy and she found it with her humanitarian endeavors. She seems much more at peace since.
12th house saturn people need a purpose that they're passionate about to be happy. That's my take on it, anyway. Your list illustrates that. They're also a bunch of people with some sort of intensity. You can't be a 12th house person past a certain age and not be intense in some way.
Acoustic: What do you like best about your chart? IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted May 05, 2007 01:33 PM
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What I noticed while compiling is that there is a lot of political activity among them. You've got politicians and super-successful millionaires, but you also have artists who are concerned with "inequalities" - gender, financial, social class, etc.
I noticed that too! My Ricky Martin is on there!  It makes soooo much sense that Galileo is on that list considering the Home confinement he was put under for the rest of his life for making claims that went against the church at the time.(confinement being a 12th house thing; especially with saturn there) IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted June 06, 2007 12:41 AM
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Acoustic: What do you like best about your chart?
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pearlized
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posted June 06, 2007 04:16 PM
I like everything about my chart. If anything it has helped me understand the impulses i have had to deal with .IP: Logged | |
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