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Topic: Chart Ruler?
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MoonDreamer81
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posted May 06, 2007 06:46 PM
 
How do I find out who is my "Chart Ruler"?Is it the ruler of my Sun sign?Or Ascendant?------------------
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Neon Artemis
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posted May 06, 2007 07:08 PM
Yours is mercury.. Gem ASC.IP: Logged |
MUSTANG
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posted May 06, 2007 07:18 PM
It's also good to see which house your chart ruler is in. Where is your mercury? For example, my ascendant is in Taurus, which makes my chart ruler Venus, which is located in my 8th house. IP: Logged |
NAM
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posted May 06, 2007 07:27 PM
So, if my ascendant is sagittarius, then my chart ruler is Jupiter? which is at the end of house 11 and astro.com says it should be read as house 12.
Is this right?And what is a "chart ruler" what meaning does it have?  ------------------
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alanabelle86
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posted May 06, 2007 07:35 PM
It plays a significant role in the drama that is your natal chart. It's one of the most important planets to pay attention to (according to some Astrologers, not all agree with this idea). But it gives even more insight into the aspects which define you. I guess...
Any one else can add of course, I know what it is but I can't find the words to define it and I don't want to copy and paste really. Cuz I'm too lazy to look right now. Haha
If you have a Sag AC, then yes, Your chart ruler is Jupiter. Pay attention to not just the house Jupiter is in, but also the sign and it's aspects...as well as the condition of the planet. It drastically modifies and adds depth to the things which define you, your motivations, your outlook on life, personality, and some may even say appearance. IP: Logged |
MoonDreamer81
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posted May 06, 2007 08:21 PM
Hmmm...my Mercury is at 16 deg Gemini(right at home..LOL!)...although I don't feel I have many Gemini traits.I'm really not talkative at all.How would the chart ruler figure into synastry analysis?His Merc.(my chart ruler and his Sun Sign ruler) falls into Libra and my Venus(my Sun Sign ruler) falls in Gemini.Basically,His Sun sign Ruler falls into a house ruled by my Sun Sign ruler and vice-versa.Does that make sense?Would the fact that my Chart Ruler and his Sun Sign ruler are both Mercury be important?Maybe it would promote honest communication??Hope I didn't confuse y'all...------------------
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NAM
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posted May 06, 2007 08:34 PM
ok, then one last question since wea re talking about this and I couldn't find the meaning to this any other way, what does "retrogade" mean?This is what my chart says:
Jupiter Scorpio 28°05'21 end of house 11 retrograde ------------------
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AcousticGod
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posted May 06, 2007 11:56 PM
I'm a pretty quiet Gemini Ascendant, too. That's probably because of our Earth suns restraining us a bit. Your Gemini Rising should make you a little figetty, though. You should also be a quick thinker, perhaps a bit more indecisive, and able to look at a problem from multiple points of view. You can probably act when you need to as well.Those synastry positions are probably alright. It would be easier to give you some input on your synastry if you posted the info for both of you. IP: Logged |
SLAYER
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posted May 07, 2007 09:37 AM
My chart ruler Sun conjuncts the Midheaven. Is it something significant in a chart?
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PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 12:41 PM
I think chart ruler can be determined by a number of ways - the planet that rules the AC
- the planet that makes the most aspects
- the planet with the most dignity
- the planet that disposes all other planets (i.e. top of the dispositor tree). For me, my Mercury in Cap rules my Gemini AC, but it's really a weak planet that makes few aspects. My Jupiter, however, is in better shape. It is in rulership, triplicity, conjuncts my Sun and makes lots of other aspects, is on my DC, and disposes my Sun and Uranus. The third option is my Mars in Libra in mutual reception (deception in the case of debilitated planets) with my Venus in Scorpio. These planets dispose the rest of the planets and are rulers of prominent houses in my chart. They also are very strong despite being in Detriment - they just use their strength inappropriately at times. My Venus is also conjunct Pluto, so she's got even more power. I'd say, though, that my Jupiter is the top dog of my chart, while the ostensible ruler Mercury is actually pretty inconspicuous. IP: Logged |
MUSTANG
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posted May 07, 2007 03:37 PM
slayer: That sounds significant. Your MC is the way you interact with the world.
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the planet that disposes all other planets (i.e. top of the dispositor tree).
I've never heard of this. How do you find out what it is? If you go to astro.com and go to "Pullen Astrology" you can find out which of your planets carry the most weight. You can also find out which of your planets have the most rank, the most aspects and which sign carries the most weight in your chart.
My planet with the highest rank is Jupiter, followed by venus, and then neptune. Those are my top three.
My sign rank is sag, then aqua and then libra.
My aspect rank is neptune, jupiter and mars, in that order.
I don't know how they calculate these, because when I look at my chart, I don't see that many neptune aspects. IP: Logged |
SLAYER
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posted May 07, 2007 03:53 PM
Mustang,
Sun is in Aries (Exalted) conjuncts the Midheaven.
The most prominent planet is again the Sun in total rank, but
Mercury has the most aspects which conjuncts Moon in Taurus (Exalted), 10th house.
The most prominent sign is Scorpio which explains why I feel pretty Scorpionic from time to time.IP: Logged |
PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 07:51 PM
A dispositor tree is sort of your planetary hierarchy. A planet is ruled by the planet that rules the sign it's in. If a planet is in its own sign, it is at the top of the hierarchy. E.G. Sun in Aries would be ruled by Mars. If Mars were in Libra, it'd be ruled by Venus...and so on until you find a planet at the top in its own sign, or a planet that co-rules with 1 or more planets. Say you have Saturn in Libra, Mars in Capricorn, and Venus in Aries. Then, all these planets would form sort of a committee were they worked together, rather than a top planet giving the other ones orders. IP: Logged |
PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 08:31 PM
Oh and about the Pullen chart, it simply adds up how many planets you have in each element and mode. But not all planets are equal. Personal planets followed by Social (Jupiter and Saturn) should always carry the most weight in terms of personality interpretation. And I don't see the weights of each planet, did I miss something. Edit: k, I found it. It's the last selection under the Pullen astrolog section. IP: Logged |
SLAYER
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posted May 07, 2007 08:31 PM
PaidVacation,
Pluto and Mars is in Scorpio in my chart. Are these two at the top of hierarchy? ------------------
Sun/Aries
Moon/Taurus
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PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 09:21 PM
In Classical astrology, Mars is the sole ruler of Scorpio, so Mars would be at the top, ruling Pluto directly beneath it. What signs are your other planets in?IP: Logged |
PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 09:56 PM
Ok, I found a dispositor tree option on astro.com. Go to extended and to the right of Circular charts (under Method) select Pullen Astrolog. Click the pull down menu once you get there and select dispositor option. Though it looks really confusing. I'll post an example.  These are my planets in sign. On the right is the dispositor tree. As you can see, it breaks down so that Jupiter rules some planets (I left out Uranus and Neptune), while Mars and Venus form a committee that rules the others (left out Pluto). Some people may have completely linear trees, others may have a lot of planets each ruling one other, or even a bunch of planets in each others signs co-ruling. In mine, it shows that my sense of faith, needs for growth, etc (Jupiter) rules my Sun in Sag. That means, not only do I feel a need to quest for the truth in order to find my place in the universe, I also look to my faith and other Jupiter things for how I should go about doing this. In my case, I turn to higher education, personal study, and forming relationships with philosophical, intelligent people. In addition, you can see that my Mars and Venus co-rule. This means whenever one wants to take action, it has to sort of check with the other on what to do (rulership relationships are like aspects in this way). Then, you can see that my Moon in Aquarius is ruled by my Saturn in Scorpio, so that even tho my Moon is very detached and mental, it's taking orders from my very emotional, structured Saturn. Get the idea? Some areas of yourself are compartmentalized together, others off by themselves, etc. btw, I left out the outer planets because in classical astrology, they don't rule anything and which planets rule them in turn doesn't seem to be that important. If you want, you can try with the modern rulerships instead though. IP: Logged |
PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 10:07 PM
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I don't know how they calculate these, because when I look at my chart, I don't see that many neptune aspects.
It's because they make the aspect orbs really wide. I have an aspect between neptune 28 sag and Mercury 7 Cap as a conjunction...that's stretching it, esp since it's separating. Plus, they might be counting a lot of minor aspects - sesquiquadrate, semi-sextiles, quincunxes (sometimes considered major), semi-squares, quintiles, etc. That's why I like to calculate this stuff myself. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted May 07, 2007 10:49 PM
I haven't seen anything to make me believe depositor trees are all that useful yet.Here are my depositor charts from astro.com:
 I also tend to think that your chart ruler is your chart ruler, as in it is always the ruler of your Rising sign. It doesn't matter if what aspects are made to that planet, or how many, or what they mean. I don't believe that the term "Chart Ruler" actually dictates any actual rulership. Personally, I think the Sun is the President (the ultimate filter and decision-maker), and the rest of the placements are department heads for various elements of your life. Of course, I'm just talking from my limited knowledge. IP: Logged |
NAM
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posted May 07, 2007 11:03 PM
AGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you guys confuse me soooooo much. I shall stick around  ------------------
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PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 11:11 PM
Yeah that astro.com dispositor tree is confusing. Here's more on it from a professional astrologer - Kevin Burk And why not even more IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted May 07, 2007 11:18 PM
AG ~The sign dispositor tree is fascinating!! Never looked at it before.....
Mine looks like the Tree of Life   Thanks, bud IP: Logged |
PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 11:23 PM
You did notice he thinks it's bunk right?IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted May 07, 2007 11:26 PM
That's OK -- it's interesting to examine anyway
I liked what Kevin Burk wrote, thanks for the links PV  IP: Logged |
PaidVacation
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posted May 07, 2007 11:28 PM
No prob, I love sharing his stuff.IP: Logged | |
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