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Invoker
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posted May 14, 2007 05:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The International Astrological Union has offically stripped the ninth planet of its planetary status. Does anyone want to comment on how this might affect astrology? I'm not an expert astrologer but I am very curious about this. Correct me if I am wrong but I had heard that when Pluto was first discovered in 1930 it throw all the astrologers for a loop. They suddenly had an extra planet that didn't fit in. Now years later Pluto is an important part of astrology. How do you think this sudden demotion from planethood will impact horoscopes and the like? What about the Scorpios out there? They just lost one of their Sun Signs to science. Sorry for the lengthy post, please share your opinion on the matter.

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posted May 14, 2007 08:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because us earthlings have decided to refer to the great ball of mass in the sky as a something different than what we have called it in the past has no effect whatsoever on the astrology world in my opinion.

Eg. If we started calling the moon 'morry' would it start to have a different effect in astrology? -No. It would remain the exact same thing and have the exact same effect as it always has..eternal truth does not just change over night when a few people decide that they dont want to call it a certain thing anymore.

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posted May 14, 2007 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's still a "planet". It's a dwarf planet.. a little itsy bitsy planet lol It's very important in astrology. I don't think that will change.

I like the fact that Ceres and Pluto are in the same boat now. I think Ceres needs more of a place in astrology - equally as important as Pluto's.. Maybe it should be Taurus' ruler. Ceres was goddess of agriculture and in the Greek version - she was often called "mother earth". The Moon is also termed 'mother' and it is exalted in Taurus. It would make sense.

Also, mythologically Ceres and Pluto are connected, since Ceres' daughter was abducted by Hades and taken to the underworld where she became his wife. Technically Ceres (Demeter in Greek) is the mother in law of Pluto (Hades).

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posted May 14, 2007 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kate,

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us earthlings have decided to refer to the great ball of mass in the sky as a something different than what we have called it in the past has no effect whatsoever on the astrology world in my opinion.

Us, earthlings named it Pluto in the first place.. and the meaning of Pluto in astrology is based entirely on Greek/Roman Mythology - also made up by us Earthlings.
That being said, whether Mythology was "made up" or acquired, is as debatable as whether or not there is a God.

Planets do exert a magnetic pull over us, but I'm not sure whether this pull would have the same meaning, had it not been for the Greek/Roman mythologies giving them that meaning. How could we, for instance, connect the planet Pluto (by any other name) with death? It is connected to death because of the legend of Hades (Pluto in Roman) – God of the underworld.
Or, how could we connect the planet Venus with love and attraction.. if there was no Goddess named Venus - in Roman myth.. and no Goddess named Aphrodite in Greek myth? The planet couldn't even have the name 'Venus', if the Roman empire (which was made up of Earthlings) hadn't existed and Venus hadn't been a Roman Goddess.

Other societies, like the Mayans had completely different meanings for the planets and those worked as well, at the time - one would assume. Chinese astrology again - has no connection with Greek and Roman mythology. They also have entirely different astrological meanings.

It's just that the West is so prevalent that the planets were named the names of OUR Gods.. If, for instance, Chinese culture was just as prevalent and they had discovered every planet there is and named it the name of an important Chinese figure.. the planets might have exerted their magnetism in a very different way on the world.

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posted May 14, 2007 09:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am aware that we named it pluto in the first place and etc. What you said was interesting as i dont know much about Greek/Roman mythology.

My point was that I personally do not believe that a particular myth or belief at a point in time has much to do with plutos overall significance of powerful energy.

Mans opinion on truth does not at all change the truth or mean that it is the truth. We may have our own ideas and ways of seeing things but whatever our beliefs are we are still insignificant when compared to the universe and what we do down here has no effect on the planets meaning or energy.

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posted May 15, 2007 01:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other word would smell as sweet"

Doesn't matter what we call Pluto, it will still influence us.

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posted May 15, 2007 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello and Welcome Invoker

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Samhain Scorpio
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posted May 15, 2007 09:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*laughter*

Number One: Astrology is not astronomy, it is the Mother of Astronomy.

Number Two: The Sun is clearly not a planet but it is still treated as such by astrology and this works fine, ditto, the Moon.

Number Three: Bumble bees can fly even though their bodies should not be able to according to all the known laws of physics.

'Planets' do not care whether we call them planets or not.

I do have one thing to add to this though and that is that this 'official' move by 'science' to 'demote' the planet of mass destruction at this time, is not particularly clever. It reflects a growing fear of powerlessness over our mass destruction.
But I think this move also has its roots in the recent and ongoing transits of Uranus and Neptune through Aquarius signifying a radical shakeup and meltdown of traditional views of the cosmos and space. I could go on and on about this referencing the growing discoveries of sources of water and number of new extra solar worlds with potential for life out there being discovered, and all the recent discoveries of the solar system, but I wont.

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posted May 15, 2007 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Kate,

If you're interested, here are the Roman Gods from wikipedia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_mythology


For everyone: I do agree with everything that has been said about changing the term "planet". I don't believe that whether scientists call Pluto a "dwarf planet" or a "planet", has a bearing on its meaning. It is still "Pluto" and will be seen as "Pluto" by astrologers, as it always has.

However, this isn't the same thing as changing the planet's name; so I don't think, 'a rose by any other name..' applies. If we were to change Pluto's name to a different God all together.. I'm not so sure what meaning it would end up having - since the only reason it has a certain meaning in the first place - is the name of "Pluto" - taken after Roman God of death - Pluto..

If we discovered the body we now know as Pluto - and decided to name it - "Cupid" - we couldn't see it as connected to "death".
Astrologically, it would be connected to something else entirely.

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posted May 16, 2007 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And again people tend to put obscure reasoning over clear and simple logic Lol! There is a very good reason why Pluto got demoted and it has exactly to do with the new defination of a planet.

Article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14364833/wid/11915829

Either Pluto stays a planet or we end up having over 200 heavenly rocks of the solar system that end up being called planets.

Thus I shed no tears over this. Yes... I am heartless.

Anyway, on the little discussion on the name of planets, it has more to do with the charactersitics of the planets rather than astrological aspect. For example, pluto got its name from the Roman god of the underword for its distant, cold and myterious aspect (it is the last former planet of the solar system,) Neptune got its name from the Roman god of the Seas since its atmosphere is encompossed with Amonia clouds, Mars was named after the Roman god of war for its Blood red surface, symbolizing the rage and violance of that God, Mercury was named after the messenger of the gods for its short orbit (It only takes 0.24 years for one revolution around the sun.)


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posted May 20, 2007 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002569.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010083.html

Sun: Pluto, would you please step into my office?

Pluto: Sure, I just need to finish this orbit--

Sun: That won't be necessary. This will just take a few minutes.
(Pluto steps in)

Sun: This is Miss Mars, from Human Resources. I believe you've met?

Mars: Actually I don't think our paths have ever crossed.

Pluto: (Now nervous) Hello.

Sun: Pluto, you may have heard that the Astronomers were having a conference.

Pluto: Yes

(Mars smiles nicely, attempting to convey warmth to someone she's never met.)

Sun: Well, they evaluated the planets, and your position has been eliminated. I realize this can come as a great shock--

Pluto: Excuse me?

Sun: I realize this can come as a great shock, but the astronomers have agreed that a ninth planet is no longer needed. Miss Mars has some information on what you need to know as you transition--

Mars: We've prepared a nice package for you, in reference to the long time you've spent as a planet.

Pluto: I'm being fired? As a planet? What did I do wrong?

Sun: It's not about what you did, although your orbits have overlapped Neptune's, and well the Astronomers feel--

Pluto: The Astronomers feel? Have you ever made an independent decision in your life?

Mars: Why don't we go have a chat with Mr. Moon. He's in outplacement.

Pluto: You can't just fire me.

Mars: You're not being fired, you're being transitioned to a Dwarf Planet. It's a great position and you'll meet other dwarf planets.

Pluto: I'm not in this for the social aspects. I'm just as good as Neptune, or Venus, or you, Miss Mars. I'm going to take this up with the Universe!

Sun: I'm sorry, Pluto, but the universe is in complete agreement. I thank you, and the entire solar system thanks you, for the time you spent as a planet. You added so much to our little system, but it is time for you to move on. As a dwarf planet, I'm sure new and exciting opportunities will be made available. Now, if you'll just follow Miss Mars, to Mr. Moon, you'll have your outplacement opportunities explained to you.

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Pluto: "You're Fired!"

More junk about less chunk in solar system trunk. (Counteroffensive underway! Stay tuned)

Pluto has been demoted from "planet" to "dwarf." Well, I'm sorry, Pluto. Love ya, and it's been a great run with you over the past seventy years, but that "is it--isn't it" so-called atmosphere of yours, which is probably really just ice that may or may not vaporize at perihelion (you wanna explain your indecision to the gas giants at this table?), along with your suspiciously comet-like orbit, and your--I don't want to say this, but hell, it's what we're all thinking--insufficient size has made astronomers conclude that you just can't play caboose to that mnemonic anymore. Pluto, you'll still make a great winter night viewing object in your new category. Best of luck to you. Pluto, you're fired.

And you, Charon, I'm sorry, as Pluto's "moon," you don't even qualify as a dwarf. Charon, you're fired!

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In a move that has outraged people everywhere, scientists recently stripped Pluto of its designation as a cartoon dog. At least, that's the possible consequence of a shocking vote that recently took the world by surprise because most of us didn't even know there was an election. Pluto has been fired as a planet; the solar system has been downsized.

It all started with last month's conference of the International Astronomical Union, which was held in Prague, Czech Republic, because, in their words, "We were told that the women in Prague find astronomers sexy."

Angry to learn that Czech women think astronomers are as nerdy as everybody else does, the group petulantly struck back at Pluto, which is a favorite in the Czech Republic because the weather in the two places is so similar.

"They'll just have to redraw all their astronomical maps," said a source inside the International Astronomical Union, or "IAU," as they call themselves in a vain hope that some people will think the "A" stands for "Athletes."

The people in the Czech Republic just sneered at this, saying: "So what? We redraw maps over here all the time."

The French delegation to the IAU also cited suspiciously high levels of testosterone in Pluto. As everyone knows, the French don't like testosterone, feeling that it leads to un-French-like behavior, such as winning the Tour de France.

The IAU now classifies Pluto as a "dwarf planet." The other dwarf planets are named Sleepy, Dopey and Doc. When it was pointed out that “dwarf planet” still sounds like “planet” the way “compact car” still sounds like “car”, the members of the IAU voted that the Volkswagen is no longer a car. "We're also taking a hard look at Tom Cruise," they threatened.

If Tom Cruise loses his designation as an actor, it wouldn't surprise anyone who has ever seen the movie “Cocktail”.

According to new IAU rules, to be a planet, a body must be large enough in mass for its own gravity to pull it into a nearly spherical shape. So Pluto is out, though Michael Moore is still in.

Also out is a celestial object discovered a few years ago by a team of nerdy astronomers from Caltech led by a man named Mike Brown. According to Brown, this would-be planet is 1.5 times the size of Pluto and is covered in frozen methane, which is a gas released by cows during digestion. It's possible, then, that in the race to explore the solar system, countries like Russia and America have been beaten to the punch by a herd of farm animals. However, this was thrown into doubt when France claimed that the cows in question were found to have abnormally high levels of testosterone.

Brown and his team of nerdy astronomers have named the would-be planet "Xena" in hopes that the women there have large breasts and run around in skimpy clothing. On “Xena: Warrior Princess”, Xena also rode through the forest on a horse, but if it turns out that the women on not-a-planet Xena ride cows instead, Brown and his team of nerdy astronomers would probably be OK with it.

Pluto was additionally disqualified as a planet because its orbit overlaps nearby Neptune's. This seems sort of petty to me; using that logic, my son should have lost his designation as a "driver" when he ran over my neighbor's mailbox. And my son has abnormally high levels of testosterone.

Back to Pluto, the cartoon pet of Mickey Mouse: To change the name of a Disney dog just because a bunch of nerdy astronomers took a vote would be, well, Goofy. In fact, I don't understand why they get to decide anything; these are guys who are fans of Xena: Warrior Princess, for heaven's sake! So what if Pluto is wandering around Neptune's yard, releasing methane like a loose cow? Is that really so different from Michael Moore?

I say, if they'll leave Pluto alone, we should go ahead and give the astronomers their beloved Xena. That way, we'll know that Mickey's dog is safe. And really, isn't that all that matters?

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posted May 20, 2007 07:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now let’s demote Saturn too.

I’m kidding.
Doubt it affects astrology. The Sun and Moon are considered planets so why shouldn’t Pluto?

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posted May 20, 2007 08:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason this has all happened is because the term “planet” never had a meaning.

Official planet

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According to the new definition, a full-fledged planet is an object that orbits the sun and is large enough to have become round due to the force of its own gravity. In addition, a planet has to dominate the neighborhood around its orbit.

Pluto has been demoted because it does not dominate its neighborhood. Charon, its large "moon," is only about half the size of Pluto, while all the true planets are far larger than their moons.

In addition, bodies that dominate their neighborhoods, "sweep up" asteroids, comets, and other debris, clearing a path along their orbits. By contrast, Pluto's orbit is somewhat untidy.



It’s really not a big deal. Pluto isn’t dead – they’re just using a different term for it now. Like I said before – The Sun & Moon are not considered planets in astronomy, does that change anything? No.

lol zala it's cute when they personify planets. I could totally see Miss Mars in a red suit.

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This video is adorable!! in the end when they talk about zena – it’s so cute, they team up and make fun of the planets.
http://clevermedia.tv/prime/prime20060830.html

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posted May 20, 2007 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol Zala I love the T-shirt!

I think now that Pluto is demoted there going to be some transformation in our attutude to the shadow part of our psyche. Its effect on our conscious mind and our lives will eventually be diminished as well. I am sure it initiates some kind of a reorientation to a higher consciousness or so... ok, I am not sure at all but I want to think so.

Coral, I've been thinking today about the house rulers and I too think that Ceres seems a more 'natural' ruler for Taurus than Venus.

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