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waterberry
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posted May 16, 2007 01:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you really think that me and my cancerian are going to get back together? Please can you tell me what you feel? It would mean so much to me, you were right about the sag, he did respect my need to go home, and in his fashion, kept me amused untill I left. thanks so much.
Jessica

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posted May 17, 2007 10:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL

In one word, "ABSOLUTELY!"
Jessica...
Patience is the key to this. Trust that Mr. Cancer and you each have more lessons to learn before this relationship can commence again. This will strengthen what you have with one another in the long run.
Again, Patience is the key to this.

Do not get jealous, angry, anxious, or riled up, as this break is truly necessary for soul growth. Mr. Sag is respectful of your needs and you should always feel blessed to have such luck with friends. Have faith that more luck is to come your way...
Appreciate your teachers as best as you can and absorb the knowledge they share with you as if, you are a "sponge in a flashflood"
Enjoy

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Sendin' love your way,
your friend in spirit

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posted May 23, 2007 08:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, ive been meeting with Mr. Cancer, who's name is Al, by the way, once a week, to talk about bussiness, Ive some money invested in the shop we started together. It seems like he is in pretty deep with this Scorpio chick, he talking about taking her and her kids to Thailand for three months towards the end of the year. When this all kicked off I had a feeling it would take three years to blow over. Does that seem about right to you?
In the mean time, there is something else - there is a man in Italy, he is a Taurus, a big bad bull. We have been talking on line for a little over a year now, and we seem to have some kind of connection that has some longevity. Anyway he has a big garden and he has aksed me to out there and look after it for him, thats what I do. it could be an amzing opportunity, but I have been in two minds about it, because of my feelings for Allan and because I am not sure what may develop between me and the taurus if I go. What do you think, should I take up the challange? Will it be fullfilling or lead to heartache? Please give me your thoughs, some how in the middle of all this confusion, you are the only voice I trust.
thank you again,
Jessica

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posted May 24, 2007 02:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yourfriendinspirit, do you know what is getting me angry and rilled up? it is not the fact that he is with another woman, I can handle that, it's that he is treating me like an embarrasment. he wont tell her he sees me, I cant meet her, she gets to put down the phone on me in the shop im part owner of, he asks me to go somewhere else to get air put in my bicyicle tyers (its a motorbike shop), when we meet no one can know that im around. i have been so generous with this man who is making me feel that i am not a person just a shameful liability. i tell him how much this hurts, he says that it is not hurtful, "this is just the way things have worked out", something that he has no power or authority over. it's perfect dis-integration, he's fine with that. this lack of loyalty makes me doubt the truth of the feelings we shared, i am feeling i can never trust him again. i love this man, I love him enough to be happy for him, even if he has found happiness with someone else. i need to belive in that love, the truest love i have ever known, even if im not with the person, this is making me feel that the whole thing was a one sided illusion. we were family, he has found a new family, now I am nothing but a nusance and a danger to his style. it hurts.

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posted May 24, 2007 05:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Waterberry,

As a seasoned astrology student, I'd like to inform you that you must consider other planets that make up your cosmic, dynamic "blueprint". This will provide you much greater depth into your astrological background and would help you learn more about the chemistry between this person and yourself.

Now...the part that angers me most.

That Cancerian man you used to fawn over.... truly despicable. He's obviously stuffing you into some corner or under the rug so that he can make way for this brand new Scorpio girl. He does not seem to have emotional intelligence, maybe there is some kind of Leo pushover or fickle Gemini in his chart. There is something not right about the way how he is treating you. I also do not think it is right for him to bring in a new girlfriend in front of you and then forces you to leave or hide. Even if that Scorpio chick gave him the demon eye, so what. It's your and his job place, she MUST NOT take control over you. Please, with all due respect, have some control and reinforce that fact to him. Be a strong woman.

Also, you should not wallow in this kind of environment at all. It is very very bad and harmful to you. On his part it is absolutely unprofessional and uncaring. A workplace is still a workplace, and you must treat it as such, and not a romantic meetup. There is a saying, that if you never felt the friendship with someone, then the friendship never began in the first place. It is simple. Someday you will snap and will not tolerate this crap from him no more.

You should understand that while it is rather forgiving of you to continue loving this man, this cycle slips into victimization. People do and do not make reservations of the heart, you should not wait for Cancerian while the Taurus waits. Who do you think is worthy? Who is truly proving you their token of authentic and genuine love?


P.S. I'd think that if he ever said that excuse to me, that would have been the "slam" in my book. How could you ever possibly love and care for someone after hearing him say that crap to you?

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posted May 24, 2007 07:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi minstral,
thanks for your responce and for taking an interest. yeah i guess its pretty crumy he is bein with me at the moment. the passivity drives me mad "oh, its just the way things have worked out", were not talkin about the lottery here.anyway as for our placements one thing we do have is composit sun conjuce venus, which as the other thread on this page demonstrated, is a pretty powerful aspect to share. As for the other stuff, im not so sure.
he was born at 10.40 on the 30th june 1964 in london, i was born at 12.58 on the 28th of august 1976 in losangeles. the taurus was born arond 10 am on the 18th of may 1961 in reggio emillia, italy. if you care to have a look at our charts I would be greatful for any insights you might have.

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posted May 24, 2007 07:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh and minstral, as for the taurus, im really not sure if that birth time is accurate.

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Mistral
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posted May 24, 2007 03:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About your birth times, are they both AM or PM?

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posted May 24, 2007 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry, my birthtime is 12.58 pm, the others are am, but as I said im not sure that the taurus' time is accurate.
thanks very much for this

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Mistral
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posted May 25, 2007 08:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, this post will be a bit long and a bit jumbled but the rundown will be as this:

His Natal & Transits
Your Natal & Transits
and finally,
Synastry

So please bear with me if I take too long and write too much.


<i>"this is just the way things have worked out", something that he has no power or authority over.</i>

His ASC & Pluto conjuncts tightly in 1st house. Uranus is also being involved in 12th. There is some merit to what he told you, however, he can be deceptively cunning and controlling when he sees fit especially when he wishes to project all the wrongs, criticisms, faults unto you. Pluto is also near the cusp of 12th, so in a way he can be his own worst enemy if he does not take proper view of this situation.

It is interesting to see what both of you have an unaspected planets. In his case, his Venus is unaspected and in yours, your Moon is unaspected. This may cause problems, because while your emotions may be evidently there, it is not helped by other planets in your chart, therefore has no easy outlet. You should make your feelings known, clear and concise.

His Venus unaspected, in Retrograde. One of his lessons in life is to integrate his personal love onto another. He should also not get into entanglements with many women because it will disappoint him in some way. The Pisces, Gemini and Virgoan influences tells me he can easily get himself lost(all mutable signs). Retrograde should give him the "experience" and discipline for his dualistic need for variety in love. Having two women love interest is actually quite Gemini-Venusian. His emotions, although are deeply felt and he is sensitive, however are strained and controlled. When he speaks, his Moon conj. Saturn in 6th in Pisces can sure make you feel guilt-ridden and that everything in life was "not of his choice". It is almost unrealistically fatalistic to judge that such events in life were made this way when in truth, he was part of the process that made the outcome. (Personal note: I knew a friend who had Moon in Pisces, he drove me bonkers because he fooled himself while all the rest of us knew he denied the real truth of a situation. Too much emotional weight upon them can hinder their exceptional judgement.)

The relationship seems as if you two were meant to be in business or making something of your vocations together. There is a great concentration on the professional image world. However, some relationships can only thrive as just that-- strictly business and good image only to the business.

Transit wise.

Neptune in 6th, his health and service with co-workers may not be very helpful to him at this time. He is easily susceptible to badhealth, whether emotionally or physically. Neptune disintegrates what it passes over. Conversely, he may want to be the selfless serviceman to someone almost blindly--- Transit Neptune conjuncts his Venus. He may realise what his ideal love can be at this time. This influences extreme rose-colored lenses, as if his relationships with women can be almost spiritual, platonic and highly surreal. I think Bob Marks said it best here:

"Neptune Transits in Aspect to Natal Venus: “Of course I love (him, her, it)! This is my soulmate! I’m sure of it!” Not. Under the influence of Neptune, we tend to see what we want to see instead of what is really there. When Neptune transits your Venus, your love life is affected. So is your artistic sense. Things you never noticed before can suddenly seem to be beautiful. For an artist, this can be a great time, even under the stress aspects (conjunction, square, and opposition). But no one should get married during a Neptune-hits-Venus time. The danger that you are just fooling yourself is too great. After the transit is over, the reality becomes visible. You may not like it. Under the stress aspects, you may even be attracted to someone because of their problems! “Oh you poor little thing. I know you’re an alcoholic, a junkie, a con-artist, and tri-sexual. Let me marry you and make you all better!” Do yourself a favor and use the magic number instead. Please memorize it. It is 911. Dial that and have them taken away. Let a professional take care of them."


His Uranus is crossing over his DSC. Relationships can come to unexpected ends and beginnings, however there is no promise that either will be a stable outcome. Uranus merely gives a big jolt to someone within a relationship, which can mean sudden breakup for this person's quest for freedom, individuality and his life style. Because DSC is also 7th(house of others and court contracts), he may be viewed at this time rather erractic behavior by others. The lesson here is for the person to taste what personal freedom is like, so that he may BE the kind of person he had needed to be when his freedom was denied.

His Pluto crosses over 4th/IC. Pluto ominously looms over what needs to be changed and transformed. Life calls transformation to his deeply felt relationships and roots, particularly if there is family or a parent involved. Pluto asks something is going to change and as a result, you will and MUST change along with it. Because Pluto may shake up such change, the native feels compelled to rebuild a new foundation again. Which is why he must have wanted or desired to bring Scorpio chick and her kids to Thailand, to reroot that death of foundation. He desires that family that recently broked.

..to be cont.

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posted May 26, 2007 09:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, wow, wow, Mystic thank you sooooooooooooooooo much for doing this. I hope you didint have to type all that. I cant tell you how much this means to me, it is just amazing to have you look at this with some knowlege of what is going on and explain how it all fits in astologicaly. I was feeling really alone in all this and this support is just wonderful, thank you, thank you, thank you.
just to give you an update I am feeling even more conflicted about the italian the bull, I was getting ready to book my flight out there, when he asked me if it would bother me if he had a call girl come to stay for a few days wile I was there!!! I told him that he might want to wait till after i got there to make a booking, and then i told him that if he insisted on booking her he might do it at a time when I was not going to be there. I should point out that this man has been celibate since his wife left him three years ago, I do feel a strong connection to him, we have been chatting on line almost every evening that I have been in the country for the last year. He is a scientist, who thinks he is a geek, he has not been with many woman, but has poligomous phantasies, he gave up his post at oxford to return home and become an organic farmer, his ancestral pile is a palazzo near reggio emaillia and he has this great big park, he wants me to look after it for him and pick the mulberries and cherries. he has also offered to help me produce a play, a project that I have been dreaming of doing since I was 11 years old. Because we have very different world views we have decided that we can never be anything but friends, though just recently i have found my self wondering if I am falling for him. Do you mind looking at our synastry and telling me what you think? im interested to know, as well, based on our transits if you think allan and I are likely to get back together any time soon. thank you, thank you , thank you.....
him: 18 may 1961 reggio emilia italy, i think he might have been born around ten am, but honestly it is just a guess.

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Mistral
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posted May 28, 2007 05:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TRANSITS

Transit Jupiter conj. Neptune 1st house, may make you feel generously compassionate, to the point where you take on some kind of Christ role for others at this time. "All is full of love." This largely conflicts your ego, because you've had ENOUGH of people pushing you around but yet, you don't know how to ask or go about in being the person you want to be. Be careful not to over indulge in alcohol or some kind of substance. An alternative method can be through spiritual healing, self-help books, sermons, seminars or talking to someone who will receive your feelings in gentle care.

Transit Pluto finished/finishing Natal 1st. On the flipside, this should be a good lesson for you. Go ahead and snap. Be angry, be justified. Your Pluto finished crossing over your 1st house so you are entitled for a change. Take a break, think about what happened all these years. How were you treated? How did you treat yourself, how did you treat others? How did Life treat you? Were you an effective and powerful person? Let the real person come out and embrace this new personality. You've been neglecting it for too long, afraid no one will like you. The danger here is that people can take advantage of you if you don't take advantage of your self. Especially if you are the sole person who initiates and contributes her load of work all the time. Since money was mentioned in your previous post, I must warn you about the next Pluto transit crossing over 2nd: House of Money, Possessions and Self-Value.

The next phases in life will concern a great deal of your money and how you will go on about spending it. Be careful not to spend wrecklessly. Not even for other people who desperately need it, or you will be in great debt for a long long time. Pluto in 2nd house not only affect money matters, but also a portion of your possessions and self-worth. Luxury seems all of a sudden so desirable. In order to attain luxury, do not get into dark or dirty money schemes. Reflect on the personal value you have for yourself. Do you think it is okay for people to casually pass around and take whatever it is they want from you like hor d'oeuvres? No. I think your view will change how you want to be treated. Your view on how money matters to you will change as well. Spend wisely. Invest wisely. Emotional and material.


Transit Pluto sq. natal Venus in 10th. There is a highly potent power struggle at work between someone who wants to escape(Pluto. Sag) and someone who wishes to work things out(you). The danger is not giving each other both the room and freedom to grow and heal. I feel Pluto in Sag. represents someone who wishes this freedom with fierce abandon, and you, Venus in Virgo wishes to control this madness. It is recommended to work the inner structures of herself, her image, her business, her career, her health and wellbeing instead. This is necessary. Sometimes it is encouraged for the woman to strike a path of her own. Venus in Virgo needs no help. She will succeed in carefully planning out her goals. And, because of this self-sufficiency, it will make it impossible for the man to leave. There is something about you that takes care of the details making life so smooth.


Transit Neptune trines your Moon for a short while... This will make an excellent timing to pursue creative, poetic, artistic, spiritual studies to alieve emotional issues. Neptune crossing over 3rd, you may wish to learn poetry or join an artistic circle with women. When you mentioned you wish to write a script or play, I thought this time couldn't be any better. You are encouraged to do so, this time will help assist your imagination and sensitivity to give your play a vivid, colorful in-depth life. If you don't write, do write! If you don't paint, do paint! The point is to nourish the artist so that healing may take gradual place.

Saturn in 9th puts you in a position where depression requires spirituality or religious faith to help you, even if you have a lack of faith in such things. There is a sense of spiritual discipline coming about through hardships. You've recently had a Saturn Return..."The quality of the entire experience and the extent to which it is felt to be a 'difficult' time depends entirely on how one has lived during the previous twenty-nine years." If you have been pursuing an unsuitable vocation or merely fulfilling someone else's expectations, Saturn can be relentless in prodding you to make adjustments."

from this website: http://newage-directory.com/saturn.html

Uranus transit 4th/IC. Focus on your home, family. It is unstable at the moment. Perhaps a parent(4th=father) is in need. Or like Allan, you too felt a great deal of a jolt of change in your home, domestic life. Maybe you may wish too, to move elsewhere exciting for greener pastures, or settle home on the road. This is a time for inner stability, because Uranus crossing over IC can sift the soil and make you feel groundless, wreckless. Feeling lost of security. Remember, that security is always within you, and you have a home anywhere in the world. "Home is where the heart is."

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posted May 28, 2007 05:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops, submitted Natal twice. Editted post.

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NATAL

There is a high concentration in 10th and 11th houses in Libra and Virgo. You are a very ambitious, charming ideas-and-group oriented person. You've a wide variety of contacts and huge monetary benefactors as partnerships. (Jupiter in 7th in 0 Taurus/Gemini cusp) Have you ever thought of joining a community for charity, or some art group? I feel as if you will flourish greatly in some involvement with art and aesthetically pleasing surroundings..instead of a bike shop. I am not sure, the bike shop may bring you quite a bit of money but I'd never suspect you(based on your chart) to run one! It does not seem quite ambitious to me. (I just can't ever find a reason it'll bring you great joy, except for the man's happiness involved. You sacrifice too much for love out of quick impulse. Venus conj. Mars). I wouldn't be surprised if you got sick of it now and decided to change business.

No one helps you get where you are except You. No one should take responsibility for others except their own load. Carry your own weight, do not let others burden you or sabotage your self-esteem. You are very much a business person, someone who handles quite a lot of the nitty gritty of investments, financial dealings and even pays for it dearly. Money problems can turn into a big conflict especially if the other person bails out. Because of your Libra Moon and Mars conj. Pluto, this dependency through life creates that danger. You may feel driven to success if another person is involved. Alone, you'll feel unsure of yourself and your ambitions. Your greatest gift is slipping into the role of "second in command" instead of being "second rate". We all know the leader is the most powerful, but really, behind the scenes only a few handful know where the true power is coming from.


Your Mars conj. Pluto in Libra can get a little too intense in regards to relationships and ambitions. Sometimes to a point of ruthlessness. It is best to redirect this energy to somewhere else, because once you start moving, you don't stop til it is completely finished. This can mean holding resentment and rage, because Libra encourages vaccilliation and creating antagonism for others in order to "balance" the self-justified feelings-- often shown up waaaayy later in time. A proper vent is required. There is too much vested emotional attachment on your part. It hurts for you because your other(DSC on close cusp of Taurus/Gemini) can USE you and wear a mask, and they seem to genuinely mean their word and the next day, they don't. The substance from other people is fickle. And you can be very lenient with responses and faults which can turn into a downfall. You're afraid of blowing up and feeling you'll have no control over the injustice, it is an anxiety-inducing feeling. Just remember to learn detachment, objectivity and reviewing the problem again a few moments later. You will find that using your intelligence with someone who can understand and give you their side of the coin can assist you emotionally.


Surprisingly, I have not found any afflictions to Neptune (but the Sun & MC) that would constitute false illusions in love. You are actually VERY shrewd, clever, intelligent and penetrating about people. The problem instead may be the Libra placements, and being unsure of yourself, doubting your self-worth. Your natal Sun sq. Neptune can make you confused about your own ego and 'reality'. Escapism, willing to accept "second-hand" or being "second rate". No self confidence. Life will be like this until you correct the problem. All it takes it a little practice and an open mind. Neptune sq. MC can mean you are unsure of what you wish to do in life as a vocation, sometimes you rather daydream pursuing much more fanciful leisure instead of working. People will catch this notion about you. Someone who is a bit unsure of what to do in life, unreliable, possibly lazy, misunderstood... but otherwise, someone with great sensitivity, companionship and self-sacrifice.

You have a graceful social personality. Modestly quiet but still subtly powerful(Mercury, Venus, Mars and Pluto conjunctions). All your planets are in the upper hemisphere and quadrants 3(focus on other people) and 4(mingling with society at large). You should be quite socially charming, with good proper etiquette with a penetrating mind. I think you will do well to learn your mistakes and hardships through observing other people/friends and listening to them as their psychotherapist. You will know how others will feel, and they will support you. Which will be rewarding to you as a person so that you may learn these lessons without going through much of the painful experience. Be careful not to feel tempted to dominate or control these friends (Moon & Pluto in 11th), OR... be careful of choosing your friends, for they will instead control you(again, Pluto in 11th). This placement can give the native instances where a group of friends disappear one day completely and then resurface again later in your life, or you will leave these people to better pursue better lifestyle and purpose.


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Now after some thinking, the subject gets more personal for me, hence most of my interpretations sound a bit subjective. I do not mean to intrude but if you like we can take this matter privately. I'd like to help, but I am confused in your involvement with a few men as I reread this thread; First there was a Mr. Sag, Mr. Cancerian(who I thought was your husband?), and now Mr. Taurus -- the latter two who seems to be involved with another woman.

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As you can see, the trouble is not only astrological point of view, but also non-astrologically. Why is there another woman involved?

I don't know, but when I read your post a couple of times, perhaps you were hiding much of your anger and resentment. It didn't make much sense to me because these men seem to make a fool out of you... and you willingly accept it. Where is the fidelity, where is the honesty, where is substance? THIS is what you need, and what you must seek out. Please do your "love" homework.. You need stability, someone who provides you emotional security as well as financial security, someone who treats you well at heart and has enough foresight so together, you two will work problems within your relationship instead of bailing out. Someone who is levelheaded, monogamous and committed thick and thin. If you still find Mr.Bull attractive.. I can't make your decisions; Follow your heart. But personally, he sounds too insatiably lascivious (polyamorous fantasies...!), sloppy, and a self-centered. I get thoughts of him eventually having a secret harem instead. He sounds like he will never be quite committed..

I haven't done synastry yet. To be continued!

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"I am confused in your involvement with a few men as I reread this thread; First there was a Mr. Sag, Mr. Cancerian(who I thought was your husband?), and now Mr. Taurus -- the latter two who seems to be involved with another woman."

LOL
Yeah, i know what you mean, it is confusing, even i get confused.
Mr.Cancer, Allan, was my long term partner of four years, with whom I have a business, he is now seeing someone else, a scorpio.
Mr. Sag, Mohomad, is in Morocco, we had a wedding in the mosque, just me, him and an iman, but I am not married to anyone on paper. he is back in chefechaouen, he is loyal, doting and attentive, on the other hand controlling, manipulative and obbsessive, and very tradional, cant imagine spending my life with him.
Mr.Taurus, Lucio, is in italy, we have never met, he is someone i found on line, and we have been talking on line, every night that i have been in the uk for the last year, we have lots of interests in common and seem to have an excelent strand of communication. he is the only man who I have ever spent so much time talking to who doesnt bore me. he is a wealthy farmer who has been living alone for some time, and I was planning to go out there to work in his garden when he asked me if I would mind if he had a call girl while I was out there, i think he was testing my mettal, needless to say I was uncomfortable with all this. My mother told me that she met a man who seemed to be psycic, she was talking about me and he said "perhaps she would be happienst married to some Rothschild style famer and digging in the earth". Oddly this was long before I realised that gardening was my vocation.
So i hope this calrifys matters somewhat. I just want to thank you again, im touched that you have taken such an interest, and would be fasinated to hear all about your situations.
love
Jessica

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posted May 28, 2007 10:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mistral, For your reference below I've posted a bit of history regarding this situation Jessica is dealing with:

Here, hope this helps to understand

posted March 15, 2007 11:37 AM
Topic: Calling astrologers! Help! Love Triangle - Cancer Virgo Saggitarius
waterberry
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HEeeeeeelp, I love this guy with all my heart I am just crazy about him, we are brilliant together but some how I find myself in another country Morocco with a guy I dont get on with, while my amazing cancer is seeing some scorpio girl. I think I am having my saturn retun and my whole wold is melting down. I cant catch a plane home to my man cause I have become paranoied about flying so i am stuck here with a man I dont love, while the man i do love, and who loves me, is getting ever deeper into a relationship with another girl. What is happening to me? Can I work it out with my Georgous cancerian, I should add that he and I have been together for three and a half years, he is the love of my life and we have a shop together . He is 12 years older then me, and I love him with the same intensity that I loved my dad who died 11 years ago. This cancerian is the only person in the would who I feel is family and losing him is like losing my right arm. I am totally confused. Please help my with any insights you can offer. I dont know that much butI would really appriciate knowing something about our synistry and whatever transits we are both in at the moment.I have looked at astro.com but it is not very holistic. This feels like life and death, like if I dont get home to my cancerian I will be lost forever. What can i do to get back together with my cancerian
how do I extricate my self from the situation with the sagitarian?
Is this mu saturn return and how do i handle it?
Is it safe to travel at the moment?
Me
28.8.1976 12.58 pm los angeles ca USA
My cancerian
30.6.1964 10.40 am london UK
the other man
5 december 1976 tangiers morocco

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posted March 15, 2007 06:26 PM
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I am LMAO!!!
Sorry...
How do you somehow end up in a foreign country with a guy? One you don't get on with no less...
You are the Virgo in this triangle?
Ok, now on a serious note:
I understand you are freaking out so I will assure you that it will all work out. The Sag guy you are with now will respect your desire to go home. He'll also entertain you until such time as you do. Sit back relax and enjoy the ride!

The Cancer guy needs a break from you.
This relationship you two share needs some space. It will however resume again.
The association between the two of you may seem like a closed chapter for awhile, but- it will resume months from now or even years later.
Rest assure it will resume!
[perhaps you've already experienced some of this with the Cancer guy]

Sendin' love your way,
yourfriendinspirit


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posted March 15, 2007 07:20 PM
waterberry
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Hey yourfrindinspirit, thank you; wow what a loving, non-judgemental, reassuring reply. There are depths of insight here; those few words are the concise tip of the iceburg; reflecting not only my lived experience of the situation but my inner intuitons about it. Thank you so much. Care to tell me how you did that! This is a arabic keyboard and I cant get a question mark on it. Any further insite about the relationship with the cancerian! specificaly the reasons the relationship has come to this impass, how to procede with him and, sorry, how we are going to work it out.
As for the sag; what a beautiful man; a saint, just not right for me. I would like to leave him a with something nice to rember me by; im trying to help him get a visa for europe or lend him a little money to start a bussiness; here it dosnt take much. I am kinda worried about bringing him to europe; he has the sweetest heart and i think he will be terribly lost and probably damaged there; he says he cant stand to stay here on his own after I go; he wants to go to europe to make money to help his family. I think he is better off staying in this beautiful village with his family and starting a bussiness here. Any thoughts!
Someone asked why I left; to make a long story short; it was cause I discovered that my cancerian had gone out with this scorpio chick behind my back and lied to me about it. I was burned up and since he had never, ever done anything like that to me before I figured she must have something he wanted or needed very badly; since I kinda want him to have everything he wants i thought I would get out of the way for a while. But now I am feeling frightend;insucure and a little resentful of my cancerian who is taking a strong about his personal space; personal space which he built with 40000 of my money and furnished with my things; even the cat is mine and I am feeling awful home sick. But is beautifully reassuring to think that I will get to go back to the little palce we built together.

further links in reference to this situation:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013115.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013140.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013546.html

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Sendin' love your way,
your friend in spirit

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yourfriendinspirit,
thank you so much for posting the topic and the links, how are you?
it seems like it has been a little while, i have little to report, on the cancer and sag front.
mr.sag is being very good about calling me regularly to make sure im ok, sometimes it can get a little too much when i feel he is cheking up on me.
mr.cancer is in deep with miss.scorpio, and has told me that he cant see us getting back together, i hope that is only temporary.
i am feeling rather hurt by him as he is treating me like the embarassing ex-girlfriend, and i may be many things but not one of them. LOL.
So what do you think ?
Should I go to italy?
some background :
Mr.taurus and i have a funny history. i had a formative relationship with another italian in my early 20s, it left me with all sorts of scars, the physical ones were purely self inflicted but the guy was on a power trip and enjoying tourturing me mentaly.
when it ended I went out of my way to find that range of emotions again. I found a web site where people were advertising for alternative relationships, i was half hoping to find my ex there. what i did find was this man who made, for reasons I am still unsure of, a startling impression on me.
i wrote him a letter but i never heard back from him and eventually I stopted going on the web site, got on with my life and met Allan.
Initaly I was very happy, years went by Allan and I started the shop and then it seemed his every waking moment was absorbed, we hardly saw eachother and when we did we would argue. we still loved each other maddlly and had these moments of increadible sweetness. i didnt want to leave him but I was achingly lonley, sometimes I wouldnt see allan for two weeks at a time, I would be just sitting in my flat on my own with no one to talk to (i wasnt working at the time) eventually my thoughts returned to the this man (mr.taurus) i had seen on the web site. i went back on the site, and lo and behold he was still there, this time he replyied to my message.
(An interesting foot note, when I reaturned to the web site, I found not only Mr. Taurus, but my orriginal, sadistic Italian ex-boyfriend, the one I was trying to replace by going there in the first place. He had a preimium mebership!)
Anyway, mr. taurus and i started taliking in IM and we just kept talking, the converastion never seemed to run dry.
Eventually Allan found his emails and asked me if I was having an affair, i explained that I was not, that this was just someone I had met on line who lived in italy. But Allan saw it as a major betrayal, I was wracked with guilt, and Allan asked me to marry him.
We had a marriage blessing from a Sufie teacher ( It was just fortuitous timing, a friend of a friend was entertaining the Sufie at his house and invited us, we were one of two couples he married that night) we went away to france in Allan's van directly from my friends house. We had a beautiful time there but Allan was still jelous. He asked me if I was going to stop talking to Lucio (Mr.taurus), I said that I would but that he had to let me do it in my own time and in my own way, I wasn't going to just drop him like a hot brick, because Allan had decided to start paying attention to me again.
We argued and he divorced me. He latter said he didnt mean it, he only said it in the heat of the meoent, but by then I was feeling manipulated and wary. It was sort of the begginning of the end for Allan and me.
A lady I had met, the night Allan and I got married, invited me to Morocco to spend Ramadan with her. At first Allan was supportive but then his controlling streak kicked in, and he bacame antagonistic. Dertemined to give morocco a shot, despite Allans temper tanturms, I left.
I remained in contact with Allan, but to my disapointment, I discovered he had started to see other people within a couple of weeks of my leaving. By the end of the trip I too had started to see other people, one of whom was Mr.Sag.
I came back to London thinking it was all over between Allan and me. However the feelings still ran strong between us, and before long we were back together. Then Allan went sneeking off to see Miss. Scorpio behind my back, and lied to me about it, he also told me that he "could feel another woman comming towards him. " Hurt, I retreated back to my flat and eventually back to Morocco and MR. Sag.
The rest is history. Allan is now with Miss.Scorpio, In a way dont blame him for this, I can see how my own actions have contributed to this situaion, and I m happy for him if he is happy. But I do feel that he is being unfair to me at the moment.
Mr.Taurus, who I had been talking to off and on has asked me to come to italy to look after his garden. It is under the strict understanding that we are only friends, we clearly enjoy talking to eachother, there is an attraction there, but our world views are too different to sustain a realtionship, that is his oppinion anyway. My relationship with Islam, preculdes cerain things that he would find essential in a relationship, things that I might have welcomed before, but couldn't consience now.

I have sopken to two psycics about my situation, the first, Beccy, who I visited once before, told me many things which latter turned out to be true. She is unsure that Allan and I will get back together. She feels that it will be difficult for us to trust eachother again, and he has behaved badly and has not been totally honest with Miss.Scorpio about his bussiness involvemenat with me. You see, when I met Allan he was living with some hippies in a squat and his bussinsess consitsted of a lock up garage that he visited a couple of times a week. Several years and 40,000 pounds of my money later, he has a large shop and yard, several employes and a small flat at the back of the shop. Miss. Scorpio, therefore, belives she has found a self made man who will provide for her and her children, Allan is not doing anything to disabuse her of this notion. (this is Beccys oppinion, when I ask Allan he claims that he has told miss. scorpio the situation, but I am sceptical, because he has to lie to her about meeting me once a week and if she knew the truth I think she would understand why it is nessisary.) Beccy belives that the realtionship will become unravelled eventually when Miss. Scorpio sees Allans passive side. But she hopes that I will be happy with someone else by then. She thinks that at this time I am supposed to be with other men, and that Mr. Tauraus will be very good for me, he is "supposed to change me in some way", however she dosnt nessisarily see it as a romantic invollvement.
The second psycic thinks Allan is comming back in June, and that Mr. Taurus is bad for me. She thinks he is in love with me but isnt saying so because he knows I love Allan, and that once he has me he will look for another woman (something which is true, insofar as he has made no secret about the fact that he had fantiasies of pologmy). She belives he is attracted by my innocence but will spoil it somehow.
Personally, I agree with what you say, Allan and I will get back together, but he is not comming back in the immidiate future.
So I have two conflicting oppinions about MR. Taurus. One says he will be very good for me, I'm ment to meet him and the other says he will be very bad. I have had doubts about this man, but, an aquintance of my mother's, years ago, told her that he thought perhaps, "I would be happiest married to some Rothschild style farmer and digging in the earth", "Rothschild style farmer" is a description that would fit Mr.Taurus, and this was long before I discovered my passion for gardening.
Mr.Taurus asked me if it would bother me if he had a call girl to stay while I was there, I told him that of couse it would bother me. But i was latter relived to discover that he has no intention of sleeping with her, rather he just wants the company of a beautiful woman and for her to make his cafe/bar look good. I sort of understand his reasoning, and I was hugely relived. In any case he is schedualling her visit durring a time when I will be back here for a few days, which does show some consideration for my feelings. In my present job, im not getting paid properly and i havent been given any gardening work to do for ages. Lucio ( Mr. Taurus ) is going to pay me to garden, so from a purely practical standpoint it is enticing.


So what do you think? Should I go? I am supposed to go to on friday, so if you think is is a bad idea, for Gods sake, tell me quickly.

thank you and lots and lots of love,

Jessica

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posted July 01, 2007 08:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dear yourfriendinspirit,

it has been sith months now, and given the amount of time that has passed, the feelings are still going strong. we had a kind of "breakthrough" on the 15th of june, but it felt like too little. in otherwords he is still with her. not only that, a good friend, who has some deep wisdom, says he (allan) is just a gigilo whos feelings were never very authentic. in italy now, feeling lonley and missing him sooooooooooooooooooo much. wondering if being here is going to mean that we dont get back together after all. just wondered if you still feel that we will. my constant pleas for reassurance may be irksome, but this situation is breaking my heart and somehow affecting my innocence, just longing for something to hold on to.
love and thanks,
Jessica

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posted July 07, 2007 12:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi yourfriendinspirit,

How can you love someone and then just replace them?

He dosen't love me in the way he used to.

Some acient force is tearing my heart out. The ancient force of heart break.

And Im powerless to do anything but suffer it.

The more I struggle the worse it gets.

I can see why we have to be apart, now. But I can't see how he can just give his love to somebody else.

I am struglling to find the serenity I need to pass through this with grace.

He's talking in those patronisng tones. He "cares" about me. And wants me to be happy.

It's so void of passion and sacharine phoney smug, I just gasp.

Is he just manipulating me ? can anyone talk so dinky, to an equal who they may one day love ?

Please, please tell me what you think.......

Jessica

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hey hey spirit frend

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Hi SD09,

Why do I get the sence that your laughing at me ? :-)

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Dear yourfriendispirit,
this is the latest email exchange between me and Allan,, it has left me feeling sad, alone and confused.
What do you think?
What should do? Is there anything to do?
Jessica


On 7/3/07, jessica wrote
Al,
You said that you hope everything is ok in Italy, if it weren't
for missing you, it might be fine. The truth is, Italy is just someplace to
live inexpensivly. Were it possible, finanically, to stay in London, it would have been better. The air here feels empty without the smell of your skin and missing you is
an ache that doesn't let up. Please write something back, it will hurt alot
if you don't aknowlege this email.
Jessica

Allan wrote:
hi jess im sowed under with jobs will writ in a bit


On 7/4/07, jessica wrote:
lies, lies, lies....why dont you just say, uh, ive moved on,
sorry. Or is that too much to ask?
Allan wrote:
lies lies lies? explain please

On 7/5/07, jessica wrote:
"will writ in a bit", you said, and haven't writen.

Allan wrote:
anger and impatience are a sign of greed and a lack of understanding and humility.
You get nasty when you dont get your own way
I have moved on and you know that. its good to sort out our business
affairs with out being nasty to each other.
There are things I feel inside about our time together and you that
are very sensitive and real .right now I feel numb and cannot write
on that level when the times right I will. Its not something you can
demand

On 7/5/07, jessica wrote:-
And you don't imagine how the things you leave
undone and unsaid hurt. why not just say, "this deserves my full attention, and
I will give it soon, please be pacient" ? It seems like there is always
some, more pressing, priority. But you can't tell death to come back later
when, so why do you do that to life?
Your judgmental and superior tone hurts, read a list of all the pejoratives
you have called me over the years, and have them turned back on you, you wouldn't like it.
My impatience is not a sign of greed or lack of understanding, but of hurt. When the whole world says that the man you love is not very sincere in his affections or values, but you choose not to listen and swim upstream and keep faith in love, vulnerability closes in on all sides. it is hard. I was looking to you for reassurance, hoping you would feel me through your haze, it was a mistake. Shaky sigh. Its time to pack up my heart, and take the
desision not to offer it again. It will be like drinking a poison that will leave me sick for a long long time. I wish it could be some other way.
Moving on is all you do because you are never really there.You had a heart that loved you.You passed it on, a fair speculation is, you will end your life alone.
Our relationship meant everything, second only to this breath.


if our relationship meant everything why did you go back to morocco
-why did you look like you'd made a mistake at our ceremony- why did
you want to marry someone else -why do you have perfect words but not
actions.- why so much hatred and anger why cant you ever pursue a
direction - when you find the right person that should happen but that
was not the case - you need constant attention because you have no true
focus your mind wonders all over the place seduced by all kinds of
unhealthy things then you cry out in frustration saying "I'm not
getting any where and have to go off traveling to escape"
as for moving on- everything moves on pain and emotion always want
things to be a certain way - life has its own reality - it moves and
changes ever refreshing its self - god is in control and whats
happening right now is exactly as he has planed . the truth is the
hurt we feel is our own hurt. hurt that has to be faced. I am all those
things you say and more. we could not continue ur personal
insecurities were running riot . endless pain and confusion going
round in circles.we were destroying each other . our love will never
die it was there before we were born. its just IS.
Of course its a pleasure to see you - but as soon as expectation gets
in it invites all our pain and confusion for another round of
emotional boxing.
My attention is taken up by my bizy life I would like more time for
being creative writing etc but now it seems I have not much. I feel I
have to work thought this -this is my task given - it runs deeper than
being a workaholic - I have to master this to be free
If I don't reply it because I cant
I am not all here - you are right I spend more time watching it than
being in it. don't no why - its just the condition I find my self in.
maybe it was the shock of watching my dad die in front of me when I
was 6 .
you are a special person with qualities that are heart stopping - you
have given a lot
I don't want to be at war with you - I think what has happened is right
for us both pain and all
May be I Will end up alone
when death comes I hope I'm ready
I am looking forward to the silence

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Hi Yourfriendinspirit,

Think this guy is never comming back, everything I read about scorpio and cancer says that they are sooooooo compatable and it is a long lasting relationship that just builds and builds, this bears out everything Im hereing from Allan. And, well, the thoughts that are going though my head as I sit here in Italy, are just scary. The last couple of days I ve just been thinking about self destruction. If I wasn't in a country where I dont speak the language, I would call one of those 24 hour helplines, the samaritans or something. But I don't speak Italian. Honestly, i don't know when I've felt so bleak, life just doesn't seem worth living. So here I am, pouring it all out to you and whoever else reads this. I just can't find anything to look forward to here, and I can't go home because I can't afford to live in my flat at the moment, it is sub let so I can pay the rent. I can't immagine how he is going to come back. Im really dreading christmas. Ive been with him for the last four, and with out him and his family it looks like Ill be spending it alone. It is something that Ive always dreaded. Im only thirty, and it is going to be awful. If I make it that far. Oh man, I just dont know what to do with myself.
Jessica

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Ok... Jessica My heart really does go out to you!
Everything will be ok, really it will.
BELIEVE IT, KNOW IT, BREATH IT!!!

Please re-read my previous post:

quote:
Patience is the key to this. Trust that Mr. Cancer and you each have more lessons to learn before this relationship can commence again. This will strengthen what you have with one another in the long run.
Again, Patience is the key to this.

Do not get jealous, angry, anxious, or riled up, as this break is truly necessary for soul growth. Mr. Sag is respectful of your needs and you should always feel blessed to have such luck with friends. Have faith that more luck is to come your way...
Appreciate your teachers as best as you can and absorb the knowledge they share with you as if, you are a "sponge in a flashflood"
Enjoy



Everything will be ok, really it will.
BELIEVE IT, KNOW IT, BREATH IT!!!
BELIEVE IT, KNOW IT, BREATH IT!!!
BELIEVE IT, KNOW IT, BREATH IT!!!

For now, focus less energy on MR. Cancer and more on "YOU".
Perhaps you could take some time to learn the Italian language? I'll bet you'll meet more than a few good friends this way too...

Hang in there...

Sendin' love your way,
"your friend in spirit"

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thanks yourfriendinspirit,
Woke up early this morning with the convition that as soon as my host gets back from Brazil, I will be off to Paris, where I speak the language, and have some friends. Feeling better just thinking about it.
Would like to know something, if you don't mind. You said that this break will strengthen what "we have together", in your oppinion, what is it we have together? You are right about mR. Sag, beeing attentive to my needs, and your saying that has made me much better able to appricate it. I just wonder what you sence about the relation between me and MR. Cancer? It would give me so much strength to hear it from somebody else. In the mean time, I promise to put my attention on me, and not on Mr. Cancer. And be strong.

Thank you so much.

You are a light, not only for me, it seems every time I read a post and find myself thinking how nice it is, turns out it's one of yours, all your posts are generous and helpful.
Sending love your way too.
Jessica

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