posted May 18, 2007 12:13 PM            

I mean I'm not trying to stereotype here, but I was just so...against women. Believe it or not, I was against female sports. (Which was dumb). I'd say things like "stupid women should be painting their nails and not playing basketball". Instead of rooting for and supporting female athletes.

I've never felt comfortable around women, my entire life. Even to this day, I'm still uncomfortable..but as I've come into my own and embraced my femininity, it's clearly less so and on a much, much different scale. But still, I get a very uncomfortable feeling around many women I associate with on a daily basis. So I choose to hang out with men often. I've tried to associate with other women, but often they choose not to be around because of the way I talk (I have to admit, I'm very blunt and can be quite vulgar).

I guess I'd attribute my Mars singleton. It's exactly opposite my Moon singleton. I know they've said with oppositions, sometimes a person can act out one side or the other. I have a lot of hard aspects to my Moon (Moon square Pluto, Moon opp. Mars, Moon square Venus). I also have Uranus conjunct AC in the 1st house and Sun conjunct Pluto. My chart ruler, Jupiter is square Uranus and my Mars is in Aquarius square Pluto and my Sun. My Sun (11th house) is square my Moon (8th house).

I'm guess I'm leaning towards like the influence of wanting to be different, wanting to stand out, plus a lot of male principle. (All the women in my family, on both sides, are very strong, brusque, blunt, and "masculine" types). I've never really fit in anywhere and maybe I was just trying to over-compensate for feeling so hurt. My dad, even though he loves us, always wished he had at least one son. And wasn't afraid to voice it often. We weren't allowed to show any signs of weakness, being ridiculed and humilated when we cried. It wasn't a cold upbringing at all though. At least I don't think so. Lack of physical affection and verbal affection... definitely. But I always felt loved and appreciated, yet never fully accepted for who I was.

So I guess to make a long story short, I'm asking is there anyone who's found over the course of their life that they've always gravitated to one sex? List your placements...or what you may think attributes to it.

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"I eat success for breakfast-- with skim milk!"

posted May 18, 2007 12:23 PM              

Neptune in Sag.(7th)
NN in Leo(3rd)
PoF in Sag.(6th)

And my Mars(masculine energy) is in the 12th house(Taurus),so it is suppressed!I'm not really comfortable being aggressive or showing anger.

posted May 18, 2007 12:31 PM              

I don’t believe a girl has to act like a girl, or a guy like a guy. I hate that, pressuring people to not be themselves.

posted May 18, 2007 12:33 PM              

But after I grew up, they all vanished, occupied with their personal lives. Suddenly girls started getting bitchy.
Boys were also a headache - once I started to get a hang of the dating game, I couldn't really be good comfortable platonic friends even with my good guy friends. There was a threat of attraction.

I would think I prefer being by myself, and that being with both guys and girls are ok in my book - they have pros and cons and my comfort level extends only to familiarity and not the sex.

posted May 18, 2007 12:52 PM              

I remember whenever I started kindergarten as a kid, the first boy that I met followed me around like a sick puppy! I just remember disliking that, and spending a lot of time on my own. I'm still working on being able to relate to men in a platonic way (which I do have platonic friendships, but they always start out very awkward. One of them was made platonic by the fact that we're now roommates.)

I have a Mars/Venus square. I definitely blame this aspect for those problems, which are very apparent in my life. I have many female friends, and I'm very good at dealing with them. I have a libra asc, venus in the 5th house and several venus aspects. I also have mars in taurus. My father was also had a lot of feminine attributes, and was friends with mainly women. I was used to him when I was growing up, along with my twin brother, who is also better friends with women but does get along with men better than I do.

posted May 18, 2007 01:01 PM              

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So I guess to make a long story short, I'm asking is there anyone who's found over the course of their life that they've always gravitated to one sex? List your placements...or what you may think attributes to it.

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I know what you mean.

It's more about the person than the gender. I have male friend, I have female friends. Sure girls can be b!tchy, but so can boys. Guys have usually treated me better tho, because they want to be gentlemen or something...like they're expected to.

In the end it's boys - cause finding a good girlfriend is hard. A male friend not so much.

posted May 18, 2007 01:50 PM            

Now that I'm older, it's funny. I get called "over-feminine". It wasn't so much me WANTING to act like a boy when I was younger..it was more of me just...acting the way I do, a way that many (not all) stereotyped as male attributes.

Idk. I just feel more comfortable around males. Maybe because (stereotypically..again!) men don't express emotion and sensitivity as much as women do. And emotions, vulnerability, and sensitivity freak me out. I mean, I really get like annoyed and bothered and have to remove myself. And being a Leo Moon witha ton of Scorpio, OH THE DRAMA women bring is overwhelming. I often have to put extra effort into staying away because I swear it follows me.

But idk. It's funny. The guys I actually do hang out with are more in touch with their emotional and sensitive side... or their "Moon" than I am.

I think jealousy is/was part of it too. I can't be jealous of men. But growing up and still today, I'll admit, I had huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge insecurities. Like overwhelming (Saturn in the 12th conjunct AC doesn't help). I was incredibly paranoid and so uncomfy in my skin. And so I guess I just build up this rock hard, insensitive, cold face that was (seemed to be to others) inpenetrable by harshness.

posted May 18, 2007 01:57 PM              

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Oh i understand that lady !
i am a cancerian , i have went through my share of insecurities .

but one opposite thing that has happened in recent yrs, i have thicker shell today and i with time i find it hard to trust people which was quite easy for me earlier .

posted May 18, 2007 02:00 PM              

hahahaha...............
i understand .

posted May 18, 2007 02:20 PM              

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orry for the memory loss .
are aqua inferno and waternymph same ?
confused ,actually !
i believe i am missing something.

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posted May 18, 2007 03:23 PM            

ASC: Cancer
Sun: Gemini
Moon: Libra
Mercury: Taurus
Venus: Cancer
Mars: Gemini
Jupiter: Sag
Saturn: Libra
Uranus: Sag
Neptune: Sag
Pluto: Libra

Most of my midpoints, including Sun/Moon is in Leo.
Did anyone say Air and Fire???

posted May 18, 2007 03:36 PM              

Feminine/Tomboy

posted May 18, 2007 04:01 PM            

I really identify with what you were saying. Except, I grew up with 3 older (macho) brothers and an extreme "old school" Dad, so sports was the way they all bonded, which in turn made me become a "jock" as well. I've played just about every sport under the sun, despite my asthma. I never played with barbie dolls or painted my nails or braided my hair when I was little, I was wearing my brothers hand me downs and climbing trees, making mud pies and riding bikes. I hung out with all the older boys on my block (brothers' friends) and to this day, I still feel most comfortable and relaxed around older men. Wierdly enough, I used to be very timid and shy around boys my age. I also, emotionally, am very cool - at least on the surface. When I hit college, and moved away from home, I became very girlie. I started wearing makeup and love clothes and accessories, and all the latest trends. I became extremely self conscious about my weight and food, and became much more "organized" and "neater" about things. My friends were always girls (I'm just not one of those people that could ever "just be friends" with a guy) but I had about 3 close best friends. I have really embraced my femininity and womanhood, I'm obsessed with makeup and beauty products (hello, sephora addict), I wear high heels despite being 5'8" and I can barely wait to have kids...but still, I prefer good whiskey and steak to a martini and salad, and use the F word alot.... all my "boyish" ways are not yet gone. I don't know what to attribute my own experience to, probably growing up in such a male dominated / masculine household.

posted May 18, 2007 04:11 PM            

To be honest... I can't stand being with ultra-sensitive people for too long. Don't get me wrong, I care for people's feelings but a complete "emos" tend to instantly turn me off.

posted May 18, 2007 09:35 PM            

I feel slightly different around men and women but just as comfortable.. There isn't a comfort difference there based on gender. When I'm not comfortable around someone, it's usually their personality that gets me. I behave more like my Sun around men and more like my Moon around women though..

posted May 18, 2007 11:24 PM            

Since I have the trine, I think people with the conjunction/sextile/trine - are great to be around. My best friend has the conjunction. The guy I'm dating has the sextile. It's so much easier then other friendships and relationships, where I feel the person isn't quite on the same boat.

I tend to get very emotionally sucked into gender diversity conversations as well, to the point where I feel like pulling my hair out because I can't believe some of the things people say lol For instance, when you're in a group of guys and they're all like "never give them an inch".. or "treat ‘em mean, keep 'em keen".. Then later in a group of girls, they say "read Why men love bitches (someone juts had to make that book, didn’t they?).. then proceed to being a ***** "