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Dulce Luna
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posted June 20, 2007 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you love it or hate it? And why?
And if so, what influence do you think makes you (or one in general) that way?

And better yet, what placements do you think makes one good at it, while some completely miss it (going right over their heads)?

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posted June 20, 2007 12:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use it, we all do, from time to time...
[some are just more adept than others at using it wisely]
Sadly though, I actually find it somewhat attractive.
(Must be the Sag Sun thing I've got going on, eh?)

Added note: I believe the Mars placement would show how well a person
expresses sarcasm. Perhaps the moon would show how well they receive it?

Interesting topic Dulce Luna...
Sendin' love your way,
your friend in spirit

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wilsontc
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posted June 20, 2007 12:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dulce,

Reminds me of another discussion: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1180715281

Linking,

Tim

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posted June 20, 2007 01:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ur spiretfrend DefentlY sag thing love or hate it

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jane
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posted June 20, 2007 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MjMYQyhjiYA

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jane
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posted June 20, 2007 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love sarcasm as long as it's actually funny. Some people use it more as a passive agressive weapon. They need therapy.

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Dulce Luna
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posted June 20, 2007 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, Tim. What a coinkey-dinks! (And no, that isn't sarcasm)


Yeah, my sis and I are wicked sarcastic with eachother, but it never cuts deep....and we're watersigns! We usually do it for laughs too, and never to hurt eachother anyways. I always suspected that it was the mercurial moon connection (hers in gemini, mine in virgo).

On the other hand, my boyfriend, HATES it so I never really am that way with him. BUT, we have this mutual friend who's a sag who acts really really dumb and ditzy (when she's really not) everytime she's around guys just for some attention. Sometimes, I respond to her sarcastically just because the whole situation annoys me. When he witnesses it, he's like "Why are you acting fresh?" and what-have-you. He's a scorp sun/moon pisces/virgo mars/merc in sag.

Basically I don't think all sarcasm is bad, but I do think there's a line that shouldn't be crossed (as seen in that video Jane posted). I know alot of people will rip my head off for this I believe that with the situation I mentioned above (with my sag friend), its kind of warranted. Other than that, I don't think sarcasm should have to be mean-spirited.

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posted June 20, 2007 01:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW {@@} Tim I was'nt even aware that Astrodienst had a Forum Area!
This is SOooooooooo cool
[Wondering now...How did I miss this before?]
Anyways... There are some really interesting, solid responses to the above topic at hand found there and Yes, this is in fact a perfect parallel.
Nice find Tim!

jane, being a Sag myself:
I really just wanted to smack that first guy in the video "Derrick", but I'll have to admit the response he received was wayyyy over the top!
[Libra moon kickin' in now-lol]
Cute video, thank you for linking it here

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posted June 20, 2007 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Cancer Suns are some of the most sarcastic people...usually in a funny way, and usually at someone's expense. (I'm thinking again about the Cancerian comic geniuses.)

Of course, I know I can get sarcastic. I've seen Libras get sarcastic, and Scorpios too.

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 20, 2007 03:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
**Do you love it or hate it?
depends how it's used .. it can be amusing .. or hateful .. it depends ..

**And if so, what influence do you think makes you (or one in general) that way?
mars/moon in gemini .. .. when eff'ed off i can definitely get sarcastic .. almost second nature

**And better yet, what placements do you think makes one good at it,
gemini in the personal planets ..

although i've no doubt there are others ..
( note: no sarcasm in this post :-))) .. )
fairly pointless using it on the internet ..
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may as well pop these in from the dictionary ..

.. irony ..
the expression of meaning by use of words normally conveying the opposite
the apparent perversity of fate or circumstance

.. sarcasm ..
ironically scornful language

.. sardonic ..
humorous in a grim or sarcastic way

.. facetious ..
intended to be amusing
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.. vitriolic ..
savagely hostile remarks
acidic speech

( .. 'vitriol' .. sulphuric acid .. )
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posted June 20, 2007 05:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Do you love it or hate it? And why?
Since I am a very sarcastic person myself, I actually like sarcasm (when it comes from people who know how to be sarcastic, that is). However, I hate it when people who have zero talent for sarcastic remarks try to be sarcastic, because that's just pathetic. Also there's a difference between "real" sarcasm and sarcasm that's intended to hurt someone. I absolutely despise the latter.

*And if so, what influence do you think makes you (or one in general) that way?
Mercury in Sagittarius ... I have it and two other people I know have it too. All of us are very sarcastic. Mercury aspecting the Ascendant might be a factor as well.

*And better yet, what placements do you think makes one good at it, while some completely miss it (going right over their heads)?
Any strong placements in Sagittarius or Gemini.

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Dulce Luna
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posted June 20, 2007 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alot of you are saying Sag, eh? That's strange, because my guess would've been virgo for the mercurialness and dark humor , gemini for the mercurialness and dark humor, or Capricorn for the dark huumor, or cancer because of the great timing .

With alot of the sags I know, sarcasm completely goes over their heads.

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mars/moon in gemini .. .. when eff'ed off i can definitely get sarcastic .. almost second nature

My sister has thoss exact same placements while I have a virgo moon and aries mars in the 3rd. The same thing happens when we're very annoyed or p--d off.

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Happy Dragon
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posted June 20, 2007 10:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sardonic-irony is almost a british humour institute ..
well .. it does seem to play a big part ..

doesn't Steve Martin do a good job with it ? ..
i.e. thinking in usa terms ..
and John Travolta .. in some of his roles .. ??

i would think the mercurials would be good at it ..
hah .. just thinking of Rowan Atkinson as "Black Adder"
a master at it ..

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posted June 20, 2007 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with Dulce on not seeing Sag as a big culprit in sarcasm. Not that they can't be sarcastic, but they just wouldn't be the first, second, or even third to come to mind when thinking about the topic.

Mercury, and Gemini and Virgo I can see.

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CrankyCap
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posted June 20, 2007 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrankyCap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always think of David Spade as the King of Sarcasm. He's a Cancer sun, Cap moon, Leo merc, and venus/mars in Gemini.

...guess the Cancer/Gemini theory works there.

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Dani California
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posted June 20, 2007 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dani California     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe, good topic!! I love sarcasm if done right, mainly if its funny.

I'd say I can be sarcastic, hehe, I am gemini sun & mercury & have loads of planets in virgo and libra moon & venus in cancer

Also, Sags are good with sarcasm, as are aquarius who are extremely funny with it.....

Scorpios can be cutting with it though......

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posted June 20, 2007 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My older brother is the King of Sarcasm. Oh, it drives everyone crazy except me... I'll give it right back to him! (Me - gemini moon)

His placements are Scorpio, Scorpio, Capricorn.

He also loves more offbeat movies... the Big Lebowski, Office Space, Memento, Pulp Fiction, etc.

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*Christina*
Aquarius SUN
Gemini MOON
Aries ASC

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posted June 20, 2007 05:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My boy is the King of Sarcasm, so is my best friend (his cousin)

His: Virgo sun,Libra moon, Sag asc
Hers: Scorp sun, Leo moon, Scorp asc

oooooh if it's one thing I can't stand it's sarcasm! ahaha

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I'm just an Aries who's madly in love with a Virgo.

S: Aries
ASC: Libra
M: Cancer

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Vanny
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posted June 20, 2007 06:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know i can be pretty sarcastic too...
Sun:Scorpio
Moon:Virgo
Merc: Sag
Asc: Virgo

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posted June 20, 2007 09:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am pretty sarcastic even when I am not trying to be it's just natural. I do like it in others and myself as well. My placements are

Sun: Capricorn
Asc: Scorpio
Moon: Gemini
Mercury and Uranus:Sag

Though I have no idea why I am so good with sarcasm Mercury and Uranus are my only Sag placements. But, I love it anywho!

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posted June 21, 2007 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes, people talk about me being sarcastic ALL of the time. I usually do it without even noticing I'm doing it. I'm a Virgo/Leo/Aqua.
I have Mercury in Leo.
Some people misunderstand it at first, but once they get to know me they find out I'm just picking on them.

My cousin is very sarcastic too... he's a Sag/Leo/Gemini. He has a twin brother with Taurus rising who is not like that at all.

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posted June 21, 2007 04:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm seeing a trend with sarcasm...some sort of Sag or Scorpio placements. Occasionally seeing Leo in there.

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posted June 23, 2007 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who isn't sarcastic these days?

Aries through Pisces... get on the train!

Wooooowoooooooooo!

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posted June 23, 2007 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post, Dulce!

Reading through this there are many points that I agree with. One is that if you're in New York, sarcasm is a given. In Los Angeles...it can be considered very offensive if directed at another, even in humor. (Learned that one the hard way through experience!)

I had to add a few of these when talking about the different signs and sarcasm. Some of the signs mentioned for sarcasm were Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. They all are sarcastic for sure, in their senses of humor. Here are the memories that popped into mind with these ones.

Me: Does this outfit match?
Capricorn: (Stares at outfit.) Sure. (Mutters under breath while walking away...) It's not too hard to match when you're wearing 10 different colors.

Me: So you don't think I should do that then?
Aquarius: H@%% no! That's like standing in the yard in a lightning storm and yelling "Bring it!"

Pisces: Do you have any gum?
Me: Sure. It's in here somewhere. (After digging through purse for a few minutes...)
Pisces: You know what...you can just keep whatever is in the depths of that bag with the hair and pennies that I'm sure are lurking in the bottom.

My experience with Cancer sarcasm is that it's usually directed at someone who does something they don't like...and they come up with a fitting and insulting nickname for them...but not to their face.

Virgos usually direct sarcasm at themselves. (Except for my Pluto conjuncted friends...then anyone is fair game, but they'd only make the comments to a trusted friend in private. And the comments are always hysterical!)

The Geminis that I know usually have it come out when they're angry. They don't mean it to be funny, but it is anyway.

My Aries friends and family don't use sarcasm and I have to explain why I said it if I use it on them.

Taurus, Leo, and Sag get it, but rarely use it.

Scorpio is well thought out and intended to hit a mark. Usually to put someone in their place.

At least that's my experience with sun sign sarcasm!

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posted June 23, 2007 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops...forgot my Libra friends! This one's a toss up. Some of them are highly offended by it, but I have one Libra friend who uses in constantly in humor and is one of the funniest people I know. He also uses it in body language, if you can imagine that one!

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