posted July 21, 2007 09:44 AM              

mutables will usually defend themselves with words, they can be overly aggressive and/or nasty, however they tend to be "all talk", and are more likely to get someone else to do their dirty work, or to help them in a fight I've seen it time and time again, which is very weak.
Tho there are exceptions!

Physically defending themselves, I dunno. That could depend on mars.

posted July 21, 2007 10:30 AM            

I notice this with Cancer and Pisces, as well.. not always but enough times to mention it (both male and female) They are either in a relationship or just out of one or getting into one, or talking about wanting to get into one, or alternatively talking about the heartbreak from an old one.. They seem quite afraid of being alone.

I'm not sure why this is, but out of my friends and ppl I've know.. it's mainly Pisces men not women, who are prone to depression and Cancer women not men..

It'd be good if we could have a special dating service just for Cancer girls and Pisces guys, with professional astrologers looking at the other placements and coupling them up.. it would decrease suicide stats majorly

posted July 21, 2007 10:32 AM              

.. off hand ..
i'd probably look at his potential sun/moon inter aspects .. even the minor aspects that might show up .. but if the birth time is an unknown factor .. then those aspects .. and accuracy of the natal Moons' position ..
.. would be a guess ..
however my basic reason for looking there first .. is knowing of two charts .. and the individuals to whom those charts belong .. both men .. both emotionaly dependent on 'others' ..
is there a 'cancerian' influence in his chart maybe .. does his psyche needs a protective shell of some kind ..

one could go on and on .. speculating ..
days could pass by .. ;-))

( edited to add ) ..
guess i should mention the aspects for those two charts there is an 'opposition' and a 'conjunction' ..
i.e. btwn. sun and moon ..
something else comes to mind ..
Liz Greene mentions in her writings that the Moon is a man's chart is the 'hidden part' or 'dark side' to his psyche .. in a womans' chart .. it's the Sun ..

posted July 22, 2007 09:02 AM              

well .. for 3:15 p.m. *GMT* ..

natal Moon and natal Sun are at a close square ..
Sun at 17.42 Gemini and Moon at 17.46 Pisces ..
the sun opposes neptune .. the moon squares neptune
venus conjoins chiron .. the moon squares jupiter ..

libra is the 12th house and contains the n.node and pluto
in the 7th house .. venus/mars/chiron are conjunct .. and square the mc/ic
uranus in 1st house squares the mc/ic .. lillith in 8th house sextiles the mc

neptune sits in his 2nd house of 'self-value' ..
and opposes his sun in 8th house of 'shared-resources'
*sun /moon and neptune form a T-Square* .. with the moon at the base in 5th house ..

sun/jupiter/lillith and mercury reside in his 8th house ..

that leaves .. saturn in leo/10th .. .. with libra as his ascendant ..

the sun/moon/neptune configuration is at fairly 'close-orb'

posted July 22, 2007 12:01 PM              

June 8, 1977 is my birthdate as well, cept I'm a sag rising.

Strong neptune and pisces can "diffuse" your sense of self, boundaries, and survival. He probably has an aries south node like I do, and saturn in leo. I've probably been a warrior in a past life, but my sense of "diffusion" of self was put into place so I could change and evolve to meet my NN in libra. I used to feel very frustrated that I could not protect myself as I felt I "should" be able to, I had an inner warrior in me that was snuffed out and not allowed to act because my emotional senses were so strong and easily shocked and tramatized that they overpowered everything else. This is where a strong judgment of being "weak" came into play. What it really is is that you are not allowed to act out of past impulses and are learning to cultivate something new - you are also being asked to learn to accept yourself and your feelings, and to get your conscious self and emotional self to work together instead of against eachother.

Once I started having more of an awareness of other people and their needs and balance in their needs and my own, and healed a lot of my *emotional* issues, the strength of my SN came into play, and I was stronger and able to defend myself and feeling relatively self-sufficient. I did a lot of work on myself, and continue to do so. It's just a matter of getting everything more integrated. If he wants to be stronger he should turn to self work and exploration, as that is what the sun/moon square needs for resolution. He has a sun trine pluto aspect, so changing and evolving and evolving himself should be a gift of his own should he decide to pursue it.

He's also in his saturn return right now.

He probably needs to remove a lot of the judgments he has about being weak, that's what I had to do. If he could learn to accept his sensitivity as a gift instead of a curse, and see what benefits it brings him, that would probably help also. Saturn in leo asks that we learn to love and accept ourselves as we are, and this is something that probably doesn't come easy that one has to work at.

Also, he's got that venus/mars/chiron conjunction which should help out a lot with healing, if he decides to do it consciously and heal his self-worth issues around relationships and confidence. It also asks one to realize you have everything you need within you. He sounds a lot like how I was in my teens through my mid 20s. (except relationships were so painful for me that I abstained from them for the most part. I've spent most of my adult life single.) I think this is because men have such trepidation of exploring emotions that they may be a bit late bloomers emotionally.

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posted July 23, 2007 07:42 AM              

I'm sure all of you have differing ones unbeknownst.

It's too subjective to call.

Perhaps looking for traits you feel are weak is a better way to go, rather than an overall picture of "weakness".

Besides, the weak aren't always meek, and the strong are sometimes just wrong.

posted July 23, 2007 08:00 AM            

People with lots of Gemini, Sag, Pisces or Virgo are vulnerable to that kind of "weakness." Not surprised that a Gem with Pisces moon could seem that way.

There are different kinds of weakness, though, and certain weaknesses associated with every sign and many different aspects.