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Ann7
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posted July 30, 2007 10:43 PM
  
I've seen some things mentioned in a few threads lately but I was wondering if anyone could tell me a little bit more about these contacts relating to syanstry. If I have Sag rising @ 2°24'19 and my guy in question has a sag DSC @ 2°23'26... What would that mean? IP: Logged |
jane
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posted July 30, 2007 11:19 PM
I think with an AC-DC conjunction, you'll view one another as natural partners. The DC is what we seek in a partner. The AC is how we appear to others. So he would appear like your natural partner, and you would appear the same for him. So this aspect could bring with it a very strong mutual attraction.
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Ann7
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posted July 31, 2007 01:06 AM
YAY!  {you shook me all night long LOL}... Thank you, Jane! As always, you're awesome! Gotta say, I'm kind of freaking out with this one. I haven't even met him face to face yet and it's already getting "too intense". The sag in me is starting to want to run and hide. But, I'm going to roll with it and see what this guy is all about. On a different note, I hope you and yours are happy and well!!!  IP: Logged |
jane
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posted July 31, 2007 04:11 AM
Hmm the desire to run may be your Sag influence, but it may also be Saturn in your 5th. I would think that placement could cause you to take romantic relationships very seriously but also to be cautious and patient when developing them. Perhaps it's not the intensity that's bothering you (c'mon, you're a Scorpio!  ), but instead the quick speed that you two are getting there. But whatever the astrological influence, yes, definitely enjoy it!I saw in your other thread that your daugther is a Gemini. My adorable 6 year old nephew is a Gemini. He's a Libra Rising, Taurus Moon and the cutest thing in the entire world. How about we do an arranged marriage for the two? I'm sure my sister won't mind. (Thanks for the well wishes. I'm actually miserable w/ a cold right now. My bf returned with it from a trip and promptly gave it to me. Guess I should just be thankful that he didn't return with crabs like the last time he went away. j/k) IP: Logged |
Ann7
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posted July 31, 2007 08:09 AM
Haaaaa! I've actually had an ex bring back crabs after being out of town... I can laugh about it now, lol.I don't know if it's saturn in the fifth or what but I'm nervous and wanting to pull away. Thing is, the man is {so far} incredible - good looks, talent, sweet and the conversation flows. Maybe I was dropped on my head as a child.. Who knows. As far as your nephew and my daughter, I think we could definitely arange something! Lol. Little geminis are adorable! They have a certain light about them. And, if he's related to you, then he must be a cool kid. {Do I have to pay for the wedding? JK} IP: Logged |
annaf
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posted July 31, 2007 02:15 PM
'If I have Sag rising @ 2°24'19 and my guy in question has a sag DSC @ 2°23'26... What would that mean?'denotes very strong attraction because your ascendant falls in his 7th house and this is quoted over and over again as a major sign of attraction. You appear to be exactly what he is looking for in a partner. In my circel of friends I have several examples which seem to strongly support this theory. In all three cases they all seem to have found their soulmate in their AC/DC partner. Now I'm sure as always one aspect doesnt explain everything but I'm quite sure (at least after asking a similar 'angles in synastry' question)that these links are highly significant in generating strong attractions. Ann7,
I would be grateful if you could maybe elaborate regarding your experience of saturn in the 5th. (I might actually also start a thread, because I'm quite interested in getting more peoples experience with this saturn positon.) In the initial stages, when you felt attracted to someone, have you ever felt inhibited, insecure to show your interest and may have even ignored the other person? Or found it difficult to 'make the first step' approaching someone you were attracted to? Or has this position not really affected you in this way. Many thanks!
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Ann7
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posted July 31, 2007 03:28 PM
Hi Anna! Thank you so much for the input! .... And it's all good news, too.Yes, I definitely feel inhibited -IF- I really like the guy. And, yes, soemtimes I will be very attracted to a man and totally ignore him... I can't even make eye contact {making me feel like a total dork.} A lot of times I will freeze up during conversation. It's a classic scenario of being able to talk openly with everyone except for the guy/ girl you really have feelings for. I think it also makes me insecure with my body image. When I was younger, it was much more prominent as I would never tell a soul when I had a crush on someone... The whole fear of rejection thing was overwhelming. Now I kind of feel out the situation before I make a move. I would say that the placement definitely inhibits me, at least in the beginning. Hope this helps IP: Logged |
annaf
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posted July 31, 2007 04:58 PM
yes, thanks a lot Ann, was a big help! Can I just ask one more thing :-)...what sign is your saturn in? I know two people who seem to experience the 5th house saturn very differently, the one with the saturn in capricorn doesnt mind it too much, the one with saturn in cancer does experience it as a big burden when it comes to initiating love affairs.my saturn is in cancer in the 1st, but it rules my venus (in capricorn) which happens to be the ruler of my fifth house and this combo seems to feel a lot like a fifth house saturn....but I admit I'm largly THAT curious about the 5th house saturn because the man I'm attracted to has that placement. And I do 'sense', if this is the right word, that he has some issues with this placement (quite timid around me one one one (strangely enough not on the phone though) but relaxed and flirtateous with other women)....but of course one cant ever be sure whether it isnt just lack of interest :-( IP: Logged |
Ann7
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posted July 31, 2007 05:09 PM
I have Saturn in Virgo in the fifth... OMG- You just totally described me when describing the guy you're attracted to. I'm ok on the phone and great with other men... But face to face with the guy I'm attracted to ... -forget about it-- lol. Like I said, I freeze up. Also, I think a lot of it has to do with how your aspects and his intertwine... Do you have any hot spots in your chart with him? {Venus/ mars, mars/ pluto, sun/ mars}? And please ask anything and everything... I'd like to think we are all here to help each other. I'm no where as smart as others on here about this stuff but I will do my best to help shed some light. Hopefully Jane will pop back on this thread.. She is great!!! And can offer a lot of insight. IP: Logged |
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posted July 31, 2007 05:50 PM
I too have Saturn in the 5th(Libra...relationships!),and what yall are saying is dead on!I get so nervous talking to a guy I like.Kinda feels like I'm back in junior high!And I'm always worried that I come across as boring because I don't say much.But in reality I have a thousand thoughts and worries running through my mind(Gemini Asc,Venus,& Mercury...)I'm thinkin,"Should I say this?" or "Should I grab his hand?".Then I start second-guessing myself & that only makes me more insecure!Totally frustrating!!I'm fine with IMing w/ him & texting,but one-on-one,I'm a total wreck!It's good to know it's not just me!------------------
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annaf
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posted July 31, 2007 06:24 PM
I’m glad to hear you also feel ok on the phone! :-) I was starting to worry my intuition he might just be inhibited had to be wrong with him being quite confident on the phone...And also thanks for offering your help!! I’m still learning and this forum is really such a great place for that where everyone seems incredibly generous with their help and advice! Regarding the hot spots :-)….I think there are a quite a few, but also some major problem areas which seem to trigger our natal problem areas.. The good bits:
Mars/Pluto double whammies
His sun sextile my mars
His moon opposite my mars
Mars opposite mars (exact aspect….probably good for attraction, but prob otherwise not ideal)
Mars conjunct neptune, Mars opp. Neptune (probably also a mixed bag)
Unfortunately no major venus/mars aspects, only a meagre semi-sextile But lots and lots of venus aspects:
His venus conjunct my sun
His venus trine my moon
His venus conjunct my mercury, my mercuy conj his venus
His venus conjunct my venus
Venus-jupiter double whammy
His venus opposite my ascendant
(I would think that the venus aspects are particularly important because venus rules my 5th and his 8th house, and aspects mercury which is his and my 4th house ruler and in addition also his 7th house ruler.) I’ve had strong venus contacts with other men and have never reacted that strongly. Which is one reason why I’m more and more convinced that strong contacts to the angles are of great importance such as you have with your Sagit-DC man.
(With us, the ruler of my AC is conjunct his DC and his AC is conjunct my MC) By the way how do your planets overlay each others houses? But…..as I said there are also some major roadblocks….e.g. a venus opposite saturn double whammy which mirrors his natal venus-saturn opposition….. So no idea whether we are just two very scared people, terrified to show our feelings or whether it's a severe case of one sided attraction...Sigh.. IP: Logged |
annaf
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posted July 31, 2007 06:45 PM
MoonDreamer, god with so much gemini it's really amazing that saturn blocks (romantic) communication even with you... I would have really thought that the strong mercury influence could somehow 'wing' it much better in conversation, so the 5th house saturn wouldnt have the same inhibiting effect!IP: Logged |
Ann7
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posted July 31, 2007 10:14 PM
Anna, you have some awesome aspects!!! All of the Venus aspects are great as well as the mars/ Pluto double whammy... The sun/ mars... the asc/dsc... It looks like you have a lot to stand on despite not having any Venus/ mars aspects. Again, I'm still learning so I could be wayyyy off but with all of your double whammies, I'd think you would balance each other and any attraction would be mutual. {Still hoping Jane pops back in to clarify, lol}As far as the Gemini guy.... I like him a lot and everything in our chart looks promising Ann's Asc. Trine Kurt's Venus:
Ann's Asc. Trine Kurt's Jupiter
Kurt's Asc. Trine Ann's Uranus
Kurt's Sun is SEXTILE Ann's Saturn
Kurt's Sun is OPPOSED Ann's Venus
Ann's Venus Trine Kurt's Saturn
Kurt's Venus Sextile Ann's Uranus
Kurt's Venus is SEXTILE Ann's Mars
Anns Venus is SEXTILE Kurts Mars
Kurt's Venus is SEXTILE Ann's Jupiter
Kurt's Venus is TRINE Ann's Neptune
Kurt's Venus is SEXTILE Ann's Pluto
Kurt's Pluto is SQUARE Ann's Venus
Kurt's Pluto is CONJUNCT Ann's Mars Plus a lot of great mercury aspects.... There are a few bad aspects but I definitely think the good out way them.
Then we have the AC/DC conjunction double whammy thing that I asked about as well as his sun and moon in my seventh and his mercury, Venus and Jupiter in my eighth. My Venus is in his seventh and my Mars, Jupiter, Uranus and Pluto all fall in his fifth. {Maybe that's why he's getting a little bit clingy so quickly.} All I know is that he's hot and I'm starting to get a bit scared. As far as your guy goes, take it slow and totally study his natal chart for clues as to how he might react to certain situations. It sounds to me like he likes you but good old Saturn in the fifth is making him clam up.
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jane
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posted August 01, 2007 05:16 AM
Ann - omg! I feel like such an ass for making the crabs joke now. I'm sorry for giving you flashbacks. I hope that's what made him become your ex!
You're damn right my nephew's cool. But he's my half-sister's kid, so he's only half as cool as me. No, actually, I'm probably half as cool as him. He's such a Gem. He's only 6 and he already calls me, w/o any help, to chat.
Back to your adult Gem ...you two have fantastic synastry. The AC-DC conjunction alone is enough to create major attraction. Oh, and put a gag-ball in Saturn's mouth so he'll shut up and let you enjoy this wonderful, sexy man you've met. (No need to tell me if you did that with an ex. ) Another good thing in your synastry is that I remember that for you in particular, the first house is a hot spot for you. So by being a Gem, he's going to form oppositions with that house. My first house is hot spot for me too, and I go crazy over the guys with planets opposing my 1st house. So maybe you'll enjoy oppositions to your hot spot as much as I do.  7th house action alone is enough to attract most people, but when that action also stimulates a sensitive first house...hoo boy!
Thanks for your compliments about my astro skills, but I don't know if they're deserved. I consider myself a beginner too. I'm at the point where I realize most of the things that I don't know, and that's a whole lot!IP: Logged |
jane
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posted August 01, 2007 05:27 AM
I used to think I had it rough with my Venus in Cap, but Saturn in the 5th sounds worse! I guess with Saturn in the 5th house, you feel all those wonderful 5th house feelings, and Saturn is this separate force that restricts you from expressing them. You have a side of yourself being inhibited. Whereas with Venus in Cap, Venus and Capricorn energies merge so we don't feel a conflict between Venus and Cap, we just feel our Venus in a Capricorn way. A way Venus in Cap works for me is that it makes me take a very long time to decide whether I want to start a relationship. Until I'm sure that I do, I keep my feelings private b/c I don't want anyone rushing me. But a 5th house Saturn seems different...the more you're interested, the more certain you are that you do want a romantic relationship w/ someone, the more Saturn inhibits you. annaf - Those are some great aspects, especially all that Venus action. I noticed his Venus is especially active. Since Venus rules his 8th house, it's likely that those aspects make him deeply attracted. Not just in a light, sexual way but a very deep, passionate way. Which probably scares the hell out of his 5th house Saturn.
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annaf
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posted August 01, 2007 02:18 PM
Ann and Jane, thank you so much for the positive feedback! Oh, I’d love to think that it’s mutual…. I guess only time will tell! (We had a disastrous coffee a couple of months ago – think reserved business meeting, brrr…. – and since then we are stuck, nothing’s moving, we actually have hardly any contact) In terms of his natal chart he seems to have a bit of a split personality, so I’m not sure how important the 5th house saturn is - everything related to serious relationships and 7th house issues however does seem somewhat blocked by saturn (7th house ruler opposite saturn, venus in Capricorn opposite saturn, plus that 5th house retrograde cancer saturn). On the other hand a very light and airy side with sun in aquarius, moon & mars in gemini in the 3rd and venus & mercury in the 11th house. I do get the impression that around friends and his admiring hord of female groupies the flirtatious airy side comes out, but with me he is either very business like or timid…he certainly never flirts.. Ann, you really have some amazing synastry aspects with the gemini! The great thing is that you not only have fantastic aspects but also those mutually romantic house overlays…And best of all, there are not only strong romantic aspects, but the soft saturn aspects sort of ground them and offer the foundation for a strong longterm relationship…hope your 5th house saturn gets drowned by the flood of hormones :-)
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Ann7
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posted August 01, 2007 11:09 PM
Anna, your coffee date with him sounds similar to a date I had with a guy a while back... I liked him so much and for so long... When we finally went out it was like you described "brrrrr" mostly because I froze up. All astrology aside, ask him if he wants to go to happy hour with you and a few of your friends {keeping it on a platonic/group level will seem less intimidating}. Make sure each of you has a few beers {even better MARGARITAS -yum-lol} and see what happens with the flow of communication between the two of you... Just a suggestion {If Saturn in the fifth creeps in and tries to put a damper on it, just think about all of your great aspects together.}IP: Logged |
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posted August 01, 2007 11:35 PM
A couple of drinks(2!!) can definately be your friend!!I know it helped me talk to the Gem easier the other night when I got all tense!You don't wanna be trashed...but 1 or 2 drinks never hurts to loosen up communication! ------------------
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annaf
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posted August 02, 2007 05:47 PM
Hah, my thinking! The joys of alcohol! I really should have had a glass before the coffee, …but I learned the lesson and did have that magic glass a month later when he actually invited me to his party . Was a lot more relaxed then and he seemed extremely happy to see me, but then ignored me all evening (what the???...), only when I had to leave I suddenly got the royal treatment….took me all the way downstairs to the exit and gave me a big hug.Some weeks later though I actually attempted what you suggested Ann and invited him to an event,but he allegedly wasn’t in town. And didn’t suggest something himself in return. I get the impression he’s been blocking any of my advances since then. He did help me instantly, when I asked him for help a few weeks back, but was very businesslike on the phone and havent heard from him since. So I fear my ice queen coffe act may have killed the spark back then and he’s no longer interested, at least not romantically (and at this point I admit I’m too scared to suggest something else as a last attempt).Oh I’m so confused…. Ann, just curious…did your coffee-behaviour pull the plug on the guy’s attraction for you? Or did you have a second chance?
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Ann7
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posted August 03, 2007 08:08 AM
Anna, our stories are so similar.Yes my "coffee guy" did pull the plug. 
I tried to invite him out twice after our night out and both times he declined...Nicely, but still. Also, he never picked up the phone to contact me. My ego couldn't handle any more rejection so I forced myself to move on. The funny thing is that now I look back on him and think "eh - no big loss". My advice would be to keep comunication open but also keep your eyes open for someone new. My biggest regret is that I waisted soooo much time and energy on this guy. IP: Logged |
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