posted August 13, 2007 02:22 PM            

I just escaped the "Planets conjunct the Ascendant" thread. I backed out of re-posting because I want to try something new.

I think what we all have to come to realize that astrology is not *always* literal. Having the Sun conjunct Pluto and Mars square Saturn doesn't always make a serial killer and having Venus conjunct the AC with Jupiter and Neptune conjunct the MC will not always guarantee stardom.

In my studies, I tend to put emphasis on all of the aspects...not just one type. I do acknowledge that some are 'stronger'...but to me, stronger just means that it's something that's "obvious" to myself. Often, I find that trines, quincunxes, and sextiles are over looked when we analyze points like the Ascendant...mainly because we have it deeply etched into our minds that the only things that really matter are conjunctions, squares, and oppositions.

Well, I think that's a crock. If they weren't *as* important...maybe they just wouldn't exist. WHY would someone bother mentioning them?

Stemming from the Planets conjunct the AC thread...I feel that the Ascendant is more than just how we look. It is one of the most personal points in our chart. It is the world through our eyes- OUR world. It is how we define ourself to others, when they ask...and often when they don't. It is representative of the colors we use when we paint a picture for others to understand..It is in fact, the picture we have decided TO paint (figuratively of course). It is how we "act" when nobody's looking, yet also how we express ourselves when the time calls for it.

Think of it as the human body, the Ascendant is like the skin. It is the largest organ, therefore being the most conspicuous. And it provides protection for our "vital organs" (The Sun, Moon, Mercury etc.), buried deep within, that keep us waking up every morning.

If we took every person who had the Sun conjunct the AC and put them in a box of confidence, dramatics, and self-centeredness I'm sure there'd be a lot of people telling us we made a HUGE mistake.

I've found that when it comes to the AC, not just conjunctions, but every aspect is important. This includes signs, houses, and aspects in addition to the conjunction.

So, excuse my long winded post (Thank youuu Jupiter in the 3rd)...but here's the bottom line.

List ALL of your major aspects to the AC, and the AC ruler. And think about how they effect you. Because they do..even if you don't "see" it. And if you don't see it, I'm sure someone has described you in a fashion that is similar to the aspect itself.

I don't want to read about only conjunctions (Well, I do...if that's all you have)...I want to read about trines, sextiles, quincunxes as well. Really sit down and think about it, then post all about it.

posted August 13, 2007 02:27 PM            

Mars conjunction ascendant-(coming from 1st house)

Moon conjunction ascendant(12th house)

Jupiter conjunction ascendant(12th house)

Venus sextile ascendant(3rd house)

Pluto square ascendant(4th house at a mere 11 min of arc)

Sun square ascendant(4th house)

Neptune quincunx ascendant(6th house)

And how they all effect me, I wouldn't even know where to begin, mabe they all take turns on different days...I know my Sun square ascendant makes me come across the wrong way to people or seem arrogant, my Jupiter conjunction ascendant helps me expand my understanding of peoples different views and beliefs I can just listen and feel like I am learning something new. My Mars conjunction ascendant definitely helps me be more assertive about things and within situation that require being aggressive(along with being noticed more). As far as the other planets to the Ascendant, mabe other people see them more than I do.

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted August 13, 2007 02:45 PM              

Asc (Libra)
conjunct Sun(in 12th house)
squared Moon (Cappy in 3rd house)
opposite Saturn (natally retro, 7th house)

Offhand I'd say it's why I'm my own worst enemy. I stay very much to myself fear of rejection and all that

posted August 13, 2007 02:48 PM              

sounds like a good remake of the aspects on AC thread! I wonder how many of us are aware what all these aspects do..

Libraschoice, that's a whole lot of hard aspects to the AC! Must be interesting even if you're not sure what they're doing

Mine:
Moon conj AC (from 12 h)
Mercury conj AC (from 12 h)
Venus sextile AC
Mars sextile AC
Lilith square AC
AC in Cap, ruler Saturn in Scorpio/10th hs

As before, I don't think the Moon/Mercury conjunctions show up at all as far as others are concerned. But because both of those are conjunct both the AC and Neptune it gives me a lot of extra insight on everything going on around me.

My Venus/AC sextile is particularly nonexistent as the astro*click portrait is wrong on its interpretation and I've never heard of anyone describing me that way. The mars sextile shows occasionally, mostly around work.

posted August 13, 2007 02:54 PM            

My AC is Sagittarius, with Jupiter in Pisces. My range of compassion surpasses my logic. I guess that's true Piscean fashion, love beyond all else. I may not agree with it at times, but I can't help the heart. It never lies.

Jupiter square AC: I am an over the top, over-indulgent, anything goes kind of person, who laughs too loud, eats too muich, and parties too hard. I can also be a little arrogant and self-righteous.

Moon trine AC: I can't hide my emotions at all. I am emotional, period. I'm very aware of how I feel at all times. I form emotional attachments to everything I touch and see, and I take things way too personally. I'm also way too sensitive and live thorugh my imagination.

Mars sextile AC: I don't appear outright competitive. But my life is patterned by internal "battles" against the perceived enemy. Always fighting, always striving to win. Without this aspect, I'd be a lazy blob. This is what saves my ass when the Jupiter/AC square gets the best of me.

Saturn conjunct AC: We all know what this does, obviously. I'm way too hard on myself. And my thoughts are cluttered with negativity, doubt, and irrational fears (Saturn is in the 12th). However, when the going gets tough...this really helps me get going. This one hurts, a lot. When I'm not trying desperately to supress it, it's rearing it's ugly head and in Saturnine fashion, crushing everyone in my way. Only those who are close to me get the unfortunate experience of dealing with it. It's one of those aspects I mentioned that we may not be aware of, but other people around us are far too familiar with. I've been told by close loved ones that "Although misery loves company, I take it to the extreme". Gotta love Saturn. All of you with this aspect knows how this one works.

Uranus conjunct AC: Now you see me, now you don't. I need to be held, loved, caressed, and spoiled with flatteries (Thank you, Leo Moon) but get too close or look at me the wrong way, and you'll never hear from me again. You'll think I died, or moved to another country. This aspect is another that hurts. Not as bad as the Saturn conjunction. But enough. It's like an overwhelming, always lingering, fear of losing a freedom that I don't even have yet. Can't let anything squash those Uranian dreams for tomorrow.

posted August 13, 2007 03:08 PM            

Ascendant in Leo

Mercury sextile Ascendant

Uranus square Ascendant

Neptune trine Ascendant

Pluto sextile Ascendant

posted August 13, 2007 03:10 PM              

Moon Sextile Ascendant 1°40
Venus Conjunction Ascendant 4°08
Jupiter Trine Ascendant 2°57

posted August 13, 2007 03:18 PM            

Aspects to Jupiter (chart ruler)

First of all, Jupiter sits in the 3rd. I already mentioned it's in the sign Pisces. So to make a long explanation short, I'll sum that point up by saying this:

I experience/approach/live my life in a world of excessively (Jupiter) vague(Pisces) definition (3rd house). I am known as "the textbook". I absorb vague yet just enough information about hundreds in topics in passing, that it seems as if I know a lot about everything...when really, I just know a little about a lot. I mentioned this because this is one of those behavior patterns that I couldn't find in my chart. My Mercury only formed one aspect, a conjunction to Venus...so that didn't do the trick. It wasn't until I actually probed deeper into the idea of a chart ruler and it's placements before I found the answer I was looking for.

Moon quincunx Jupiter - My brain and my heart bump heads. What I feel is usually so far from everything I believe to be logical. I have major issues with trying to blend my facts-based view of life with my emotional knowledge and connection to something beyond (Moon in the 8th).

Venus trine Jupiter - I can find beauty in the every day. I'm hardly ever bored, seeing how I find enjoyment in anything/everything. This is a major amplifier to the indulgence I've been talking about.

Jupiter square Saturn: I regulate my happiness and depression. I only concern myself with concepts. And I take those concepts more seriously than life itself. The negative side is that I can be a supppppppppper patronizing hard-ass to others and myself, or I can be an out of control, unreliable, floozy who lives life on the edge and takes no responsibility for her actions.

Jupiter square Uranus: I like to shock the hell out of people. And though I can be reliable, sometimes I avidly choose not to be.

Jupiter trine Pluto: I got a lot of passion. I think this one just amplifies all my Scorpionic tendencies

posted August 13, 2007 03:24 PM            

Sun - 5 deg. Gemini 1st House
Moon - 8 deg. Libra 5th House
Venus - 0 deg. Cancer 2nd House
Mars - 2 deg. Pisces 11th House
Saturn - 0 deg. Capricorn 8th House
Uranus - 0 deg. Capricorn 8th House
Chiron - 27 deg. Gemini 2nd House
T. Node - 20 deg. Pisces 11th House
Vertex - 23 deg. Libra 6th House
Lilith - 1 deg. Virgo 4th House
Juno - 4 deg. Gemini 1st House

posted August 13, 2007 03:36 PM              

***Aspects To Asc:

~Mercury(Gemini 16* 20'2") conj Asc.(H12)
~Mars(Taurus 16*27'45")semisextile Asc.(H12)
~Neptune(Sag.24*12'20")opp Asc.(H7)
~Pluto(Libra 22*3'56") trine Asc.(H5)
~Chiron(Taurus 18*36'18")semisextile Asc. (H12)
~Pallas(Gemini 20*2'53")conj Asc.(H1)
~Amor(Aries 19*25'9")sextile Asc.(H11)
~Cupido(Gemini 15*49'1") conj Asc.(H12)

***Aspects to Mercury:
~All Mercury aspects are basically the same as my Ascendant aspects because my Asc. conj Mercury(2 deg.).Is it beneficial to have the Ascendant ruler conjunct the Ascendant?I would think so,but it IS in H12...so I don't know....

posted August 13, 2007 03:50 PM              

Moon conj ASC (from 12th): You are acutely aware of what others are feeling and respond instinctively to their moods, leaving you unsure at times about your own true feelings.

Sun (Taurus) sq ASC: There may be a feeling of blocked energy, and a sense of frustration that you do not come across to others as you really are.

Venus sextile ASC: Even if you are involved in a conflict you will be willing to examine the issues, the source of the grievances, and come to some mutual compromise.

Mars sq ASC: The square between Mars and your Ascendant indicates that in your eagerness to assert yourself you often show little tolerance for other people’s weakness and a lack of understanding for their feelings.

Jupiter tr ASC: Not content with standing still or remaining in a comfortable rut, you are open to expanding your range of experiences, to meet new people, see new places, consider new ideas.

Uranus tr ASC: You value your freedom and independence in all areas of your life, and you will constantly be seeking new experiences as an escape from situations that have become routine and dull.

Saturn sq ASC: You tend to be hesitant and reserved when meeting new people, a reaction that you find intensely frustrating since you don’t feel that you are getting across the real you.

Pluto sq ASC: You project yourself as a powerful individual who needs to be reckoned with.

Neptune bq ASC: Not sure if that means anything. Maybe acting spacey is instinctive.

Anything about aggression, I kinda feel on the inside, but my temper is seriously mellowed out by the fact that I'm a Taurus (patient). Otherwise, I try hard to control my outer expressions (Saturn), so I will usually come off as cold and reserved rather than psychotically aggressive.

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posted August 13, 2007 04:52 PM            

Asc in Cappy:

-Conjunct Amor: eck, this one can be an annoyance when you want to walk in the flea market in peace (hint: pervy guys)

-opposition sun: I don't really think this one works in a leonine way at all. But I'm not sure without mentioning sign influences how it would work.

-trine jupiter: I'm not really sure how this one works either. I can go to excesses but not very often.

-quincunx venus: Couldn't tell ya how it works.*shrugs*

Chart Ruler Saturn in Sag/12th:

-conjunct uranus: makes me extremely quirky I think but my mutable moon plays a role in that too. Someone thought I was very Aquarian. The fact that these are all in the 12th kind of makes me a daydreamer, highly intuitive,very hidden, and so on (but I have alot of other placements that indicate that too).

-square mars: Eck, could be responsible for everything wrong with me.

posted August 13, 2007 05:03 PM              

My ASC is Scorpio

Sun & Mars (8th house/ Cancer) trine ASC (<3 dg & <1dg) :
Makes me impulsive, outgoing, courageous and full of self-confidence. I tend to “get my ways” and impress people easily. I do frighten some people with my enthusiasm, sometimes. I am perceived as “strong”/”headstrong” and blunt.

Mercury (8th house/Leo) trine (<5 dg.) ASC:
Very good conversationalist, I make myself heard, like speaking in front of a public, writing is an important part of my profession, language is my favourite tool/talent to express myself.

Neptune (1st house/Scorpio) conjunct (<1 dg.) ASC:
Tough one! Gives me talent to play-act and flatter people - but makes me too easily flattered myself and confused by others. I can never hold a grudge for long, even if someone hurts me badly, because I can “see” their own fears and hurts so easily. Very sensitive, very good instincts, can react early and am very adaptle. But sometimes it’s hard for me to find a focus – I am lazy! And easily distracted! Too fantasy prone (sometimes) for the facts of day-to-day-life. Dull people tend to mistrust me quite often. I feel misunderstood frequently.

Pluto (10th house/Virgo) sextile (<2dg) ASC:
People tend to take me seriously – I come on “strong”. Can fight for my cause, I am quite successful in my professional , can “make a show”. I crave admiration, if I’m honest. And I’d always defend my rank! If I don’t’ feel appreciated I back off … and decide not to “need” or “value” the people who don’t treat me/pay me well enough. My professional life (Pluto in 10th) is the only area where I have experienced the need for “revenge” – whereas in my private life I hardly know this notion.

Part of Fortune (5th house/Aries) quincunx (<0dg.) ASC:
Rather difficult/negative for me. I am not happy with too superficial entertainments – and sometimes I am too controlled to really let lose. For example: I have never been completely drunk, because Scorpio ASC won’t allow me to lose control, although my Aries-5th house-instincts yearn for running wild once in a while. But: I NEVER lose control. Apart from that I seem to come up in a “mysterious” way sometimes, which prevents other people to approach me in a playful way, sometimes.

posted August 13, 2007 06:05 PM              

Leo Rising, Sun in Pisces - 8th house.
Guess this gives my Sun double importance. But it's hidden! In a water sign in a water house so you can guess that when my Leo energies roar that inside I'm telling myself to not put so much of myself "out there". Inside I'm *very* secretive. Difficult to reconcile these 2. And of course they're quincunx by less than 1 degree!

Uranus trine ASC, Uranus square Chart Ruler.
Oh oh oh. This adds even more to the mish mash above. With the trine I express myself in an offbeat manner [mostly through talking as I have aqua merc sextile uranus]. I've been guessed at for being Aquarius, but I'm NOT! no no no And I've been told that I have unique features, but still pretty. Haha thats like telling me I just barely made it across the Ugly Road. With the square to the chart ruler - whadda can of worms! I go through life a lot thinking "What are they gonna do to me, what can they possibly do to me after I've done this, Who cares what they think, So what if that's the rule." You can just imagine where that lands me much of the time ~ and probably why I have a lot of Aqua influenced friends.

Mercury opposed Asc.
Well there's another aqua-tinged influence. I also have been mistaken for a Virgo [no please kill me]. I have the long limbs short trunk Mercury thing going on. Pretty thin even after the baby [not due to praying to god I can tell you that]. I think about others and relationships very very much and I have a very pleasant speaking voice [merc in 7th, loose conj to Venus] so I'm told.

posted August 13, 2007 06:49 PM              

I honestly don't like my AC. It softens down my Leo sun and Aries Mars, but it makes me feel too insecure.

posted August 13, 2007 07:27 PM              

He can face conflicts in life due to a projection of character that doesn't match what is on the inside. Misrepresentation of the self is frequent. He must strive to understand how others perceive him and work on presenting a more accurate persona to the world, or he will rub people the wrong way or feel unrecognized and misunderstood.

That is absolutely me. Though I have learned the lesson and moving on, that explains it to the best.

Sextile Venus - Ascendant

He likes everything beautiful, the Arts, balance and harmony. He is amiable and sociable. He likes entertainment and has a loving nature.

Could be right - for most part.

Conjunction Pluto - Ascendant

He has will-power and ambition, and likes to have his own way.

Thankfully yes.

posted August 13, 2007 08:23 PM            

- grand trine with Taurus Mars and Capricorn Neptune - idealism, action and passion energies flows under me, along me.. I can be quite inspired in my actions, beliefs and visions..

- sextile Pluto - that would have more to do with my DC (relationship side) thought since trine is stronger than sextile.. I can be quite intense sometimes (but it might have more to do with my 8th house stellium? but my AC ruler, Mercury, is also in the 8th house)..

- square IC/MC - personally a bit at odds with my life direction?

- quincunx Moon - my emotions are at odds with my personality?

posted August 14, 2007 01:22 AM            

So we're going to love this, because we get to talk about ourselves? What's the assignment?

posted August 14, 2007 02:11 AM              

Sagittarius rising,
Trine my sun (7 degrees), in Taurus 5th house. Maybe this makes me quite a fortunate person with a generally happy personality.

Quintile my Mars (0 degrees), in Pisces 4th house. Gives an expansiveness to my imaginative energy?Also I work at home (sometimes a trait of Mars in the 4th house) in the field of higher education (Sagittarius); before that, I was a student and I did all my work at home. I'm also naturally assertive (read: bossy) but not aggressive.

Sextile my Uranus (1 degrees), in Scorpio 11th house. Um... expands my liking for unconventional people (I also have sun opposite Uranus)? Also I've been told in the past that I have my own style, especially when I was younger I dressed in ways that shocked people without me really meaning to - in the sense that I made my own clothes that didn't follow conventional fashion. I've also been told that something about me is "different".

Trine my Chiron (3 degrees)... um??? Not too sure about this one.

Semisquare my moon (0 degrees), in Scorpio 11th house... I do feel that my ascendant can be at odds with my moon... freedom vs security. Bob Marks astrologer seems to hint that this aspect makes me both nurturing and also wanting to be nurtured. I can see that, although being a minor aspect I don't think the urge is all that strong.

Sesisquare my Mercury (0 degrees) in Taurus, 5th. I talk a lot! And I like to write and talk about philosophical and spiritual ideas. I think the sesisquare is pretty neutral aspect, so I don't think it has a particularly strong influence to either bad or good - it just is.

Square my Pluto (8 degrees). I wonder if this has a similar effect to Pluto square sun, but more superficial rather than going to the core of you like a square to the sun does? I often find that people either like or hate me (either magnetic or bitchy) on sight just based on my look or my presence, I have never figured out which - either way I seem to have a weirdly strong effect on people at times. Although it's definitely not as strong an effect as I've noted with Pluto square Sun people. Sometimes when the "haters" or the people who were threatened in some way get to know me, ie when they see past my ascendant, they realise I'm no threat.

Chart ruler is Jupiter,
In Aries, in the 5th house
Sextile Venus
Semisextile Mars
Square Saturn
Trine Neptune
Opposite Pluto
Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto form a t-square for me with the apex at Saturn in the 7th house.

posted August 14, 2007 05:55 AM            

With Sun sextile AC I must be very outgoing and nice with people whom I tend to idealize with Neptune trine AC but having
Mars and Uranus square AC makes me aggressive, intolerant and rebellious against any interference with my personal comfort.

posted August 14, 2007 06:21 AM            

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Alanabelle I think we also talk about ourselves because we don't want to hurt others discussing their charts, dont you think?

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Uhh...I don't know. It was a just a joke to be honest. My thoughts about it were in passing. lol

posted August 14, 2007 05:50 PM            

AC trine Mercury

AC trine Venus

AC sesquiquadrate Saturn

AC bi-Quintile Uranus

AC semi-square Chiron

but i cant really explain this. Not really good at it.

posted August 14, 2007 09:23 PM              

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If we took every person who had the Sun conjunct the AC and put them in a box of confidence, dramatics, and self-centeredness I'm sure there'd be a lot of people telling us we made a HUGE mistake.

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posted August 15, 2007 01:31 AM            

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Mars Trine Ascendant

You are strong-willed and have a great need to be yourself. Fortunately, however, you are likely to have enough courage to stand on your own and to uphold your position. You are independent, and your opinion of yourself doesn't depend on what others think of you. So you can work by yourself if necessary, or you can work with others as an independent equal.

You throw yourself into every activity with wholehearted enthusiasm, and you devote all of your considerable energies to whatever you get involved in.

You will defend your beliefs and the people you believe in to the very end. You are not one to start a fight, but you will not back down unless defeated by someone else's superior strength.

Uranus Trine Ascendant

Even at a very early age, you insist on your right to be yourself. You may or may not be particularly rebellious, but as you grow up you do need a lot of room, without restrictions. You like to find things out for yourself instead of being told about them or reading about them in books. The reason for this preference is that you see and experience everything you encounter quite differently from others, which gives you a great creative inventive drive. The old ways never seem satisfactory to you.

You like to be with other people who share this attitude, rather than with people who are afraid of change or who are totally predictable. You like to be excited by your friends and, within reason, startled by new and exciting ideas.

No matter what comes at you from other people, you can take it. You are very adaptable and can handle changes very quickly.

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