posted August 17, 2007 05:05 AM              

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ur perfect

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posted August 17, 2007 05:56 AM              

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I really find it sad people need to resort to idle aspects to find depths in their insignificant relationships"love of their lives"

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You put it there very bluntly, but I have to agree with you. I really can't be asked to have a look at a synastry chart that's loaded with asteroids and whatnot. In some cases it's hard to spot the planets and their aspects on the chart.
And yes, it reeks of despair, "but we have Tweedledum sesquidecile Tweedledee!!!!!!"

posted August 17, 2007 06:47 AM            

I think asteroids can be useful additional tools when you already have a firm connection established via the planets and angles. Asteroids have rang true for me in situations like that. But when not much else is going on and you're using REALLY wide orbs and every thread degenerates into a comparison of some obscure asteroid or other...

It's really not valid or useful, and rather tedious.

posted August 17, 2007 08:04 AM              

First of all I think it is important to keep the basics in mind. To me this doesn`t even start with the synastry but with an analysis of the individual charts and comparing if there are similiar or polar patterns.
Then of course comes the usual synastry with a houses-overlay and a comparision of the most important planets - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, - and angles - ASC, MC and Vertex, with reasonable orbs (but we know the definition of "reasonable" may be very different for many people).

However, even though I think that is on what an analysis should be based, I also want to stay open to new concepts and ideas (remember, even doing a horoscope for an individual person, not a country or a king, has been new once!).
And so I do like exchange ideas, theories and experiences about some of the mentioned things like asteroids, or Draconics or parallels / contraparallels or solstice points or midpoints or dispositors of signs and many more.
Of course you can never base the decision of a relationship will work or not on the fact if there`s Eros conjunct Psyche or the Sun-Moon-midpoint is semisquare Pluto (I do prefer the personal planets anyway).
But if you have done an analysis of the natal charts and synastry before, those things will add something to them. I don`t know how important or valuable those informations are. But that is one of the reasons I come here, to find out by talking to others, how valuable those "new" ideas and theories are. What are their experiences?
Do other people have similiar experiences like me, when it comes to asteroids for example?
Did they notice the placement of Eros was triggered by important persons in their lives? Can that maybe mean there is more to this asteroid and he is not just one more brick floating through the universe?
I know we have to be careful to not try to analyse EVERYTHING that is in the sky or in the universe; but on the other hand I wouldn`t want to dismiss a new theory, just because it is new. But to know if it is valuable at all, I have to think about it and research it. That`s at least my opinion.

DD

posted August 17, 2007 01:44 PM            

Sigh I find this really upsetting...yes it does show despair. But thats what we are here for, to help people going through hard times. Thats what LL did for me and thats what I am here to do for other people. In all honesty the original complaint was inconsiderate posting. This is way too much...in all honesty if someone doesn't want to answer a thread like that, then don't.

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And so I do like exchange ideas, theories and experiences about some of the mentioned things like asteroids, or Draconics or parallels / contraparallels or solstice points or midpoints or dispositors of signs and many more

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Definately agree with Darkdreamer!

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But that is one of the reasons I come here, to find out by talking to others, how valuable those "new" ideas and theories are. What are their experiences?

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Most definately!!!!

posted August 17, 2007 01:59 PM            

I feel they are important however, only when using VERY tight orbs (0-1 degrees) and when researching something very specific. Because there are so many asteroids and having Asteroid X,Y,Z,2, and 3 all conjunct your Sun doesn't mean much unless they mean something type specific to what you're looking for.

I just think people tend to outdo themselves by layering their charts with asteroids but that's their issue.

I almost regret making my thread because everyone's taking it the wrong way. Like they can't post up their charts, or they can't ask about synastry. I never meant it that way...

posted August 17, 2007 02:12 PM              

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I never meant it that way...

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posted August 17, 2007 02:20 PM              

When I came here first, there were also posts that noone replied to, and I thought this is okay. It`s a bit sad for me, but maybe my post didn`t catch the attention of interest of anyone or was just plainly silly. lol
But I would never have DEMANDED of anyone to answer it, or withdrawn into a corner to pout, because I was "mistreated" this way.
I think that is plainly rude. If you want to know my honest opinion. If not, too bad, now you`ve read it nevertheless.

However, regarding asteroids and other things: sometimes we get just carried away a bit, I guess. But I always try to find back to the roots.

DD

posted August 17, 2007 02:23 PM            

Must be some freakish combo of the Sagittarian "foot in mouth" syndrome and the Plutonian "get to the heart of it" theory

posted August 17, 2007 02:24 PM            

I think if you have worked out the basics of a chart, be it natal or synatry, then asteroids can offer some further definition or maybe clarify the whole picture.

I don't think that they can (or should) be used in lieu of basic planetary energies and aspects and I don't think that Isis conjunct Osiris in a synastry chart is going to be all that relevant if you don't have any Sun/Moon/Venus/fill-in-the-blank aspects.

You can't have a cake without the cake mix but there IS something to be said for icing and sprinkles.

I think the point with asteroids is not to get too lost in the details. They are valuable (in my opinion), but should not be used to the exclusion of the planets which are the foundation of astrology.

posted August 17, 2007 02:25 PM            

I was so intimidated to post, and when I did the first few times and got no responses...I think I threw a little Moon in Leo temper tantrum and whined about not being a "popular" Knowflake and no one likes me. It's hilarious now that I look back on it lol..

posted August 17, 2007 02:35 PM            

for Aries Moon. Sometimes I feel like my Moon is in Aries because of my exact opposition to Mars. Drives me nuts sometimes but I love it. Though my temper is so short, I go from sweetheart to crazy psycho out for blood in like negative trillion seconds. Drives my poor boyfriend (He's an Aqua Moon) insane, haha.

posted August 17, 2007 02:39 PM            

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I can see what the issue is here and I don't think it's about the asteroids themselves, but rather how they are being used (and to what extent).

I think if you have worked out the basics of a chart, be it natal or synatry, then asteroids can offer some further definition or maybe clarify the whole picture.

I don't think that they can (or should) be used in lieu of basic planetary energies and aspects and I don't think that Isis conjunct Osiris in a synastry chart is going to be all that relevant if you don't have any Sun/Moon/Venus/fill-in-the-blank aspects.

You can't have a cake without the cake mix but there IS something to be said for icing and sprinkles.

I think the point with asteroids is not to get too lost in the details. They are valuable (in my opinion), but should not be used to the exclusion of the planets which are the foundation of astrology.

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Well said, Love.

posted August 17, 2007 02:43 PM            

What's your AC?