posted August 21, 2007 04:36 AM              

I visited this: http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html

Sounds very interesting and generally fits. I am a bit worried about my 7th house ruler in my 12th, though... It doesn't look too bright for my love life .

posted August 21, 2007 06:03 AM              

DOnt bother yourself with those generalized readings,really.
12th house has thousands of meaning...
For example, 7th house ruler in the 12th can mean a partner from overseas or from another continent - i have Pisces Dc -
or karmic relationships, or that your partner would activate your 12th house....

I will look for some more info for you.

posted August 21, 2007 06:50 AM              

it`s not really a problem. It just means, that in a relationship you would need / be attracted to someone with neptune-dominance: Pisces-ASC, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars; Neptune in 1, personal planets in 12, strong Neptune aspects, or (maybe the strongest connection) with the ruler of 1 in 12.

Also, the ruler of 7th house in 12th house also means, that you need a relationship that is maybe spiritual, or that the relationship wakes your own spirituality up. It`s like having a Venus-Neptune-connection (the 7th house is your personal Venus-house, the 12th house the Neptune-house). Of course there are difficulties in every placement, but I don´t think the 12th house is all that bad; it`s like you`re being very refined and subtle and sensitive in relationships, and you basically need someone, who can at least accept and maybe even understand or share this spiritual inclination. Someone with strong Virgo- or 6th house placements would be a great polar opposite, keeping you grounded. I think it would be equally positive than someone with Pisces- 12th house dominance.

EDIT: Ruler of 7 in 12th house can also mean, that most of your spiritual insights come from your experiences in relationship; you evolve spiritually through your relationships and the people you love.
Relationships are a way, or maybe even the main way, to get to know yourself better. That may be right for most people, but in your case it`s more intense. The experiences you make in relationship cut deep down in your soul and transform you, for bad or for worse.
There are people, who can get involved, love each other dearly, but then when it`s over, they go their separate ways, with just some minor scars.
You`re not like this. With this placement everything concerning relationships hits you so deeply, that you will be left utterly changed. you have a depth of feeling that others rarely can understand, unless they share similiar placements.
It means that you have real chances of experiencing "True love", but on the downside you`re so idealistic in love to the point of either giving yourself up (but that depends on other placements - I suppose with a Sun in Aries this risk isn`t as high as for someone with Sun in Pisces for example; even though it might be higher for you than for other Aries-Suns) or having too high expectations towards your partner. You sometimes idolize your partner so much, and then when he falls down off the pedestal and you realize he is only human after all, you may sometimes feel let down. You want the true and perfect relationship (maybe not consciously, but you feel a craving for it), but nothing is ever "perfect" in this world.
Some people with ruler of 7 in 12 substitute the real world with a dream world; or loving in dreams. Those are the ones, who might fall in love with highly unavailable partners. Married ones, the priest, the unreachable star (actor), the one who lives over the sea (in a distance relationship you can at least dream of a perfect relationship).
Some other fall prey to their own sensitivity and compassion with other people, and may fall in love with people "outside of our society", like drugaddicts, alcoholics, dreamers, prisoners.
But those would only be excesses.
There is also the possibility to fall in love with someone, who is deeply spiritual (or at least has the ability to become so), or who is compassionate himself or who is very creative and sensitive. Or who maybe is just a bit chaotic. lol

But I also looked at your chart with the Placidus house system. I know you use the equal one, but I have found the Placidus to be correct, especially in regards to houserulerships.

In Placidus you have intercepted Leo, and its ruler Sun falls into your 2nd house.
That means that despite all your spiritual inclination (12th house) you also seek security and pragmatism, a real relationship (2nd house).
It also means that people with prominent Taurus-2nd house would be very attractive to you. Sometimes there`s a difficulty with the ruler of 7th in 2nd house, because sometimes you may be presented with two choices.
You may fall in love with someone, who attracts you romantically and sexually, but who is in some kind unavailable for you or can`t provide you the security you need.
And then there may someone come along who can give you this security and stability, but he just doesn`t appeal to you this strongly.
it`s sometimes a choice between a warm, stable love and a crazy, breathtaking passion.

DD

posted August 22, 2007 04:43 AM              

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But I also looked at your chart with the Placidus house system. I know you use the equal one, but I have found the Placidus to be correct, especially in regards to houserulerships.

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posted August 22, 2007 05:52 AM              

Your not alone with your attraction to Virgos
Which in my case, not a surprise, and also Mercury is in my 7th house, so to say i need someone who is quite intellectual.
Though my Pisces Mercury is a real challange for me: how to be intellectual and sensitive to emotions at same time? And if i add for this my Moon opposite Mercury, than its a total confusion over thinking vs. feeling...
Not to mention Mercury is my chart ruler and also ruler of MC, but to be honest, i usually feel that i am a big confusion, myself.

SO Pisces on my Desc,i also attract those with Neptunian influence, but who are still intellectual.
Neptun is in my 4th house - typical "who i am" issue, but im not really into Cancers. (but i "met" someone at home)
Jupiter is at the end of 8th - 1 degree away from the 9th - so i consider it as in the 9th. Which true, i do like Sags and everything associated with the 9th house.

And the situation is that, "You know who" is more than perfect for me in every way.
You know the details....

About this 8th house ruler thing, i also heard about that. For me its Mars and in my 5th house
With Moon conjunct my SOuth Node, im sure i have karmic issues from the past regarding motherhood and children.
I know, a would like so much to have child in the future, but also, somehow i have big desire for adopting children.
I will see what the future would bring me.

(oh, and i use Placidus, for me Equal is nonsense, fortunately)

posted August 24, 2007 02:17 AM            

My 7th house ruler is Venus & it's in my 3rd house. Makes sense, I like 'em smart. Communication is so important to me. Everyone I feel close to is someone I can have good conversations with. My 3 longest relationships (ranging from 1.5 - 5 years) have been with guys who natally have their Sun conjunct Mercury (which also makes sense b/c natally I have Juno trine Mercury).

posted August 24, 2007 03:05 AM              

Don't worry about ruler of your 7th in 12th. I know more people they have some partner from overseas. Try to travel to some far away country and you will see.
It is house of Pisces, water.

Ruler of my 7th is Mars in Leo, 10th house. I attract successful men (not Leo's men), most of them are Capricorns (10th sign).

Natasha

posted August 24, 2007 10:18 AM              

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Though my Pisces Mercury is a real challange for me: how to be intellectual and sensitive to emotions at same time? And if i add for this my Moon opposite Mercury, than its a total confusion over thinking vs. feeling...

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And that being on your Node axis... I can't blame you. However, I hope, with time, things will become clearer.

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About this 8th house ruler thing, i also heard about that. For me its Mars and in my 5th house

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posted August 24, 2007 10:19 AM              

Good to see you again . And thanks for bringing Juno up .

Hey, Natasha!

Well, for starters, I LOOOOOVE water . And I'd love to travel overseas someday. Something just crossed my mind: perhaps my partner will be a... sailor? LOL, that would be something
Thank you for the encouragement and sharing!

DL,

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posted August 25, 2007 12:56 AM            

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I hope you didn't sell the handcuffs!!! Or sell tickets! Naughty, naughty!

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posted August 25, 2007 01:36 AM              

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Ruler of 10th house in 12th house

Your professional success is related to your ability to serve others behind the scenes. Your profession is likely to be performed behind closed doors or in private. This position favors professions that require power behind the throne; that is to say that you make suggestions or decisions without conferring with the public. Activities linked to secret information, medicine or investigations would be very favorable.

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I get this(the bold typed part) all the time. Even in I ching and other occult studies. I wonder if it will happen? If so, how?

I have the ruler of my 8th house in my 7th house. I've been lucky in that really no one I know has died. I really don't know what this placement would mean.

What have you been doing when your cusp has a planet with dual rulers, like scorpio? My ruler of the 7th is scorpio, so I read both the mars placement and the pluto placement. The Pluto in the 5th fits me best. The mars in the 7th not so much. Also, my pluto is complicated because it's at the end of the 5th house. The reading for the 6th house didn't fit me well at all, so I just went with the 5th house interp. Is that what other's hwho have planets at the end of a house are doing? One thing is certain, delineating the ruler of my 7th house is as complicated as my actual relationships!

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What about the ruler of 12th (Moon) in 7th house? How would you interpret this in a guy`s chart ?

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posted August 26, 2007 04:57 AM              

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However, I haven't been really disappointed and I think this is because my 7th house ruler (Moon) is very good aspected, it doesn't receive one single bad aspect.

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It`s a bit like the 7th house tells me that I can easily get attracted or even relate well to others, and then when I move fromt he 7th house into the commitments of the 8th house, I realize it`s not all that light and airy and sunny like I pictured it to be in the 7th house. It`s like I have been caught in a trap, and everything is so deep, and really committed and difficult. A matter of life and death. The thing is if I have committed once, it is forever. but I might not see this, as long as I am in 7th house mode. lol

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I think the aspects the rulers receive from other planets (and further more, this connects houses with other houses and shows how different aspects of your life interact with each other) are significant.

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For instance, I have a tendency to keep my relationships very private or down right hidden from everybody.

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From my point of view, the house systems are like solving a mathematical problem in more ways

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while the equal houses system places them on the 4th-10th axis, which is definitely the place where my biggest conflicts are.

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But I think both housesystems definitely have their merits.

EDIT: I have thought about the equal housesystem a bit; I still find it very compelling theoretically.
Because how much sense is there to have inequal houses, if we don`t have inequal signs as well?
We pretend the sun takes the same amount of time to transit through a sign, but the speed of the sun actually varies. So, if we give the signs equal number of degrees, why not giving the houses as well an equal number of degrees?

However, I had a look into my own equal chart, and some things do change.

Moon is in 3rd house (was in 2nd house before)
Venus is only one degree from the 2nd house cusp away, so I would count it to the 2nd house, too (was in 1st house before)
Jupiter is now in 4th house (has been in 3rd house before)
Pluto is now in 11th house (has been in 10th house before).

I always identified with my Moon in 2nd house, but I must admit the Moon in 3rd house could make some sense, too.
Also, the Venus-Pluto-square would now fall into 2nd and 11th house, and this makes maybe even more sense than a square form 1st to 10th house. I have always encountered powerplays and difficulties in friendships or at least, whenever large groups had gathered together. Those gatherings just fill me with dread and fear, because I sense the danger they can become. And whenever I experienced violence against me, it was in such large groups, actually. So, I guess, Pluto in 11 makes some sense in my case.
Hmm, how have your experiences been with the equal housesystem regarding other people?

DD

posted August 26, 2007 07:39 AM              

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He may get his spirituality from close relationships and/or enemies. He may find that his relationships bring about his own "undoing." He may be very private, in and regarding, relationships. He may be very reserved in close relationships - keeping people at arm's length.

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posted August 26, 2007 05:24 PM            

example: Virgo Rising, Pisces Descendant. Find Neptune and if it is posited in the 12th it is home and belongs there whereas another planet (like Mercury) would be considered debilitated.