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Topic: What would you guys think about Juno ruling Taurus?
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izodesmozina
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posted August 24, 2007 10:39 AM
 
I mean, Juno is somewhat similar to Venus... it also points to *stable*, marriage partners, AND also contracts ~ money. Hera was also the protector of the house... and Taurus loves his house (and land). And since she was so important in mythology, perhaps she'd deserve to rule a sign.
I've heard some opinions on Ceres, but somehow I am more fond of Juno.
What do you guys think??
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posted August 24, 2007 11:43 AM
I agree Izo.Although I do not know a lot about Juno,the description you gave seems pretty "Taurus" to me!------------------
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Rev. Alice
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posted August 25, 2007 11:04 AM
Juno has a lot more in common with Libra.IP: Logged |
cat71
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posted August 25, 2007 11:12 AM
see I'm up in the air on Juno at the moment. I've been reading what Magi has to say about Juno, so not massively positive.
Basically, to cut a long explanation short, they say Chiron is key to marriage and Juno can be long-term but not culminate in marriage, they call it the 'mistress' asteroid - so I don't know if that's Taurus or Libra.
I don't like it when people suggest taking Venus away as Libra's ruler though - I love her and I want to keep her! - so Taurus can have Juno 
(although as a Libra sun with Taurus rising, I guess I can't lose!  )IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted August 26, 2007 03:27 AM
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Even more so than other major Roman deities, Juno held a large number of significant and diverse epithets, names and titles representing various aspects and roles of the goddess. In accordance with her central role as a goddess of marriage, these included Interduca ("she who leads the bride into marriage"), Domiduca ("she who leads the bride to her new home"), Cinxia ("she who loses the bride's girdle").
Juno was very frequently called Juno Regina ("Juno the Queen"). This aspect was the one named in the Temple of Jupiter as part of the Capitoline Triad, emphasizing that Juno's role as the wife of Jupiter and queen of the gods was the most important in that context.
Juno protected the finances of the Roman Empire as Juno Moneta ("Juno who Warns" or "Juno the alone").
Lucina was an epithet for Juno as "she who brings children into the light", and Lucetia as "bringer of light" in general. She was also referenced as Pomona ("goddess of fruit"), Pronuba ("matron of honor") and Ossipagina ("bone setter" or "bone strengthener").
Though you make an interesting point, Rev. Alice, and I tend to agree with you from some perspectives, I found this on wikipedia: Juno dealt with finances. However, it will be a great change in collective consciousness to associate 2nd house with marriage or 7th house with money. Juno's jealousy is famous and so is Taurus's. She was also the "goddess of fruit" - Taurus is also famous for their food thingie... IP: Logged |
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posted August 26, 2007 04:22 AM
Izo,I somehow can relate Juno more to Taurus than to Libra. I know Libra is said to be the marriage-sign, but Taurus is about stability and long term relationships (because a Taurus just won`t let go of what he or she has), and that fits to Juno`s mythology. She has never given up on her cheating husband, she stubbornly endured it all, and never even thought about leaving him.
Also, as a mother-goddess, she fits the fertility of Taurus better than Libra.
Also, the thing about the financing, convincing point.  Besides I do think the 2nd house has more to do with relationships than most astrologers give it credit for. Relationships are not only about wild passion, but need to provide some stability and security, too. And that in my opinion is an area of the 2nd house. In my opinion the axis of 1 - 7, 2 - 8 and 5 - 11 have a LOT to do with relationships. DD IP: Logged |
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posted August 26, 2007 04:48 AM
You make a strong case for Juno ruling Taurus. Except for the way Magi uses Juno, Juno matches the Taurus approach to relationships--"you're mine". Wasn't Venus more of a no strings attached kind of gal? That makes her more fitting for Libra, in my mind. OTOH, I don't know if Juno fully captures the Taurus sensuality & love of life's simple pleasures. Maybe Venus could remain as a co-ruler. I would be delighted for Juno to rule Taurus though, since she was married to Jupiter. I'm a Sag who loves me some Taurus. IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted August 27, 2007 03:34 PM
I agree, Aphrodite was more outgoing and it would match Libra more from this point of view. Why do you say Juno wouldn't capture Taurus' sensuality? Did you forget about the deception of Zeus? She was sensual and she was also beautiful (Aphrodite was chosen as the fairest by Paris because she offered him Helen, but Hera and Athena were also beautiful). quote:
The section of the Iliad that ancient editors called the Dios apate (the "Deception of Zeus") stands apart from the remainder of Book XIV. In this episode (Iliad book 14 lines 153-353) Hera first makes an excuse to leave her divine husband Zeus; in her deception speech she declares that she wishes to go to Oceanus "origin of the gods" and Tethys, the "mother". Instead Hera beautifies herself in preparation for seducing Zeus, obtaining the help of Aphrodite. In the climax of the episode, Zeus and Hera make love hidden within a golden cloud on the summit of Mount Ida. By distracting Zeus, Hera makes it possible for the Greeks to regain the upper hand in the Trojan War.
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izodesmozina
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posted August 27, 2007 03:47 PM
DD, quote:
Besides I do think the 2nd house has more to do with relationships than most astrologers give it credit for. Relationships are not only about wild passion, but need to provide some stability and security, too. And that in my opinion is an area of the 2nd house. In my opinion the axis of 1 - 7, 2 - 8 and 5 - 11 have a LOT to do with relationships.
Yes, relationships sure need some stability and safety. 2nd house is opposed to the 8th, which is, among others, the house of sex. In fact, in a book I have on composites, the author always says *something* about sensuality when there's a planet in the 2nd.
But somehow, I guess I am still unprepared to look at the 2nd house from a romantic point of view. I hope this will change with time.
Yes, Hera was faithful and usually Taureans are just like that. Not to say that LIbras aren't, but they seem to take love a little lighter, in an airy fashion . Hera was stuck on Zeus, and stubbornly so! IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted August 27, 2007 04:23 PM
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I would be delighted for Juno to rule Taurus though, since she was married to Jupiter. I'm a Sag who loves me some Taurus.
Actually, Jane, you offered me some material to take things further. Mars/Ares rules Aries, Venus/Aphrodite rules Libra. They oppose each other, signifying the breathtaking attraction between the sexes .
If we say Juno rules Taurus, then she would quincunx Jupiter/Zeus and his beloved archers. Quincunxes are more like marriage: they mean hard work!! Smooth sailing doesn't come easy in marriage or a long lasting relationship and everyone who has had one knows this. You need EFFORT, applied daily, to keep it going. You can never completely relax.
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Some keywords that describe quincunxes are: redirecting, challenging, requiring adjustments, diverting.
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This Aspect, above all, demands that adjustments be made. Things will appear muted or unclear and one must resolve to gain some focus on the matters at hand. A reorganization of priorities, as well as a change in the way things are done, is wanting. A change in attitude, outlook and perspective can also be indicated.
Doesn't that sing marriage to you? Sex/physical attraction is the easy part. It comes so naturally. Adapting to one another and accepting each other's differences doesn't -it is the hard part, but oh so necessary in a long term relationship. IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted August 27, 2007 04:34 PM
Damn, when did I become so convincing?? I am starting to believe this stuff 
Joking. I am still waiting for opinions. IP: Logged |
jane
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posted August 29, 2007 02:09 AM
For sensuality, I mean the physical senses. Juno was definitely sexual, but I don't think of her as loving the physical as much as Venus. She made herself a hotty to get Jupiter's attention, not b/c she wanted to admire her own physical beauty. Taureans really appreciate the beauty that touches all of their senses--pretty faces, music, food (& so on for all the senses). It's the love of life's simple, temporary, physical pleasures that I think Venus captures better than Juno. But I'd love to read an Illiad excerpt that shows otherwise. Juno seems more about sex, passion, & commitment, which are definitely Taurus traits too.Excellent use of the quincunx in your argument.
I don't know if you saw this, but there was a post recently that listed length of marriage statistics between all the signs. The difference between various pairings probably wasn't enough to be that significant, but something I found interesting was that for Taurus Male, his second longest marriage rate was with Sag Females & vice versa. (Both had Cancer as their longest marriage rate; Cancer is the other sign that Sag forms a quincunx with). I think for an independent, idealistic sign like Sag, they remain married to their quincunx partners longest because that relationship has a built in dynamic of adjustment & compromise, something a successful, long-lasting union requires. If a Sag can't compromise with a Taurus or Cancer, she'll know it long before the relationship gets close to the marriage stage.
That was kind of a digression , but I do think Juno as a co-ruler would explain the Taurus-Sag attraction & success that that study indicated. IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted August 31, 2007 03:20 AM
Hmmm... I'm not really fond of co-rulers... I want exclusivity IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted September 21, 2007 09:36 AM
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Neon Artemis
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posted September 21, 2007 02:23 PM
I've always thought of her more as ruling Scorpio. She was renowned for her vengeance.IP: Logged |
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posted September 21, 2007 03:51 PM
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posted September 21, 2007 07:31 PM
I'm with Ceres still.Juno doesn't seem strong enough to be involved. Ceres is a dwarf planet like Pluto.. It's on the asteroid belt but it isn't considered to be an asteroid anymore, because it's *much* bigger than the rest. Also, Ceres and Pluto are in the same mythological story.. so it would make more sense to include Ceres. Venus/Mars have their story.. Ceres/Pluto have a story.. Juno/Pluto don't have a story. I really think Taurus should be in Scorpio's story.. not in Sagittarius/Jupiter/Zeus' story. Ceres was the Goddess of Agriculture.. also known as "Mother Earth" (which would make perfect sense since the Moon is also exalted in Taurus - showing a motherly instinct in the sign) There are some negative connotations to Juno as well.. Juno is Hera in Greek mythology. She does a lot of crazy things out of jealousy, like trying to get Zeus' kids with other women murdered. She doesn't seem calm or steady enough to be associated with Taurus. IP: Logged |
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posted September 22, 2007 08:32 AM
There is the view that we are still integrating our sun's sign energy in this lifetime....or at least aspects of it that we havent mastered yet, so with Juno been associated with temper tantrums and jealousy aspects when her husband was found cheating is a more "raw" aspect of Taurean energy, and quite befitting.Taurus energy should be placid and calm etc but there is that famous hot temper....think of a bull seeing the colour red....seems to me Juno/Hera had quite the temper when aroused! I like the idea of Juno as the goddess of Taurean energy I think Venus was given complete rulership of Taurus as Juno was not discovered yet but now that we have integrated the other goddesses into our system its only fair we assign rulership or co-rulership to them too. Juno was not very refined in her dealings with the more trying aspects of marriage so I can't see her as ruling over Libra My vote is that Venus and Juno should both rule Taurus.
They are both very powerful in my chart Izo I know you want exclusivity, sorry  IP: Logged |
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posted March 03, 2013 03:04 PM
I agree with Hera (Juno) ruling Taurus.
Hera: possessive, jealous, marriage, financial adviser of the Caeser (as Juno Moneta)
Taurus: possessive, jealous, wants stable marriage, and careful with money
Plus, the cow is a sacred animal of Hera, and the cow is a female bull.
I know 'cause I'm Taurus rising. IP: Logged |
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posted April 13, 2013 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
I agree with Hera (Juno) ruling Taurus.
Hera: possessive, jealous, marriage, financial adviser of the Caeser (as Juno Moneta)
Taurus: possessive, jealous, wants stable marriage, and careful with money
Plus, the cow is a sacred animal of Hera, and the cow is a female bull.
I know 'cause I'm Taurus rising.
I never felt Venus as the ruler of Taurus. Libra is definitely Venus. People I know who are Taurus people do not resemble Venus at all. I have never looked at Juno, but plan to check it out. I see Taurus as stubborn, unmoveable, and opinionated unless other things contradict that. I see Libra as fragile, fair to a fault, lover of beauty and unassertive. I have Taurus ruling my second house and my Venus is in the 9th. I see no correlation at all. I feel Mercury for Gemini but not so much for Virgo. Maybe every one feels them differently. IP: Logged |
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posted April 17, 2013 03:42 AM
Actually I am indifferent to rulership.“Rulership”, to my understanding, is not factually definitive but more metaphoric.
The idea of using “rulership”, is to gain a further “in depth” understanding of the energy drives of the sign. To me, the planet will always take up the energy of the sign that it is in. A chart with heavy Virgo planetary influences(3 planets and more) will make the individual pay more attention to “how” they express themselves. This despite the Moon being in brash Aries/Sagittarius. The individual will always make a conscious effort to curb the moon’s influence if it doesn’t serve them. A chart with heavy Libra planetary placements, will focus their energy to projecting themselves on others and “unifying” with others: “We”, instead of “I”, “us” instead of “me” etc. This is despite having the Moon in solace preferring Pisces. The individual will strive to mitigate the Piscean influences.
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posted April 18, 2013 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Barbee:
I never felt Venus as the ruler of Taurus. Libra is definitely Venus. People I know who are Taurus people do not resemble Venus at all. I have never looked at Juno, but plan to check it out.I see Taurus as stubborn, unmoveable, and opinionated unless other things contradict that. I see Libra as fragile, fair to a fault, lover of beauty and unassertive. I have Taurus ruling my second house and my Venus is in the 9th. I see no correlation at all. I feel Mercury for Gemini but not so much for Virgo. Maybe every one feels them differently.
Let's not forget, the Ancient Rulers are still in Rulership of the Signs they once ruled. Aphrodite is both sensual & delicate, refined & practical, earthy & heavenly.
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posted April 29, 2013 12:47 PM
Aphrodite Pandemos - sensual, earthy, and material quality of AphroditeAphrodite Urania - logic, fair for the people, and sociable Aphrodite Keep Venus for Libra and Taurus! Also there are several personifications on what is beauty and sensuality in several different cultures, like for example the African Goddess Oshun symbolizes "the rivers that sustain life, she rules love, beauty and the arts, especially dance" Really Venus is interchangable throughout the cultures, she is just a personification of the feminine sensuality and sex drive. I see it more as an essence in nature rather than an actual entity. :P In case you're wondering why Venus rules music, music is also a sexual thing, there can be passionate, sensual music than can set the mood for people. Ancient tribal people uses the beats of drums for dancing to seduce a partner. I don't even know what I'm rambling about, but I see the sensual and feminine side of Venus for Taurus and the logical and "fair-for-all-people" for Libra. I think Taurus is more appealing though. They always have those sexual eyes LOL Especially this Libra Sun, Taurus Moon guy I knew..I mean like damn. IP: Logged |
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