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Topic: one thing i have noticed about saturn contacts
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lovegoblin Knowflake Posts: 27 From: neverland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 11:08 AM
When looking at charts between two people, the most striking thing i have noticed is that the person who has the most contact to his saturn is the one who feels most connected. if the situation is reversed, and one person has little contact from the other to his/her saturn, they do not feel as attached. has anyone else noticed this? it seems to be revelant in numerous situations.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4418 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 11:53 AM
My girlfriend and I both have Saturn contacts. I have a couple oppositions, and a trine. She has a couple oppositions, a square, and I'm not sure beyond that. You might be on to something.IP: Logged |
lovegoblin Knowflake Posts: 27 From: neverland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 12:21 PM
yeah- all my friends charts i look at, when their own saturn is contacted more, they feel more attached than the other. i mean, the other may be attached also, but not to the extent that they are.thanks for responding. IP: Logged |
libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: the city so nice they named it twice! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 07:29 PM
Hey Lovegoblin, how have you been, haven't seen you around for awhile?! ------------------ Sun in Libra Moon in Cancer Jupiter in Cancer Venus in Virgo Mars in Cancer Ascendant in Cancer I "FEEL" therefor I am IP: Logged |
lovegoblin Knowflake Posts: 27 From: neverland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 09:25 PM
hey LC!yeah-been a busy time and summer, but things are winding down now. it's always nice to see you about!
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posted October 04, 2007 09:37 PM
What if you got many planets in Cap. but not many -if any- significant Saturn aspects?IP: Logged |
CrankyCap Newflake Posts: 0 From: Ohio Registered: May 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 09:40 PM
Hey lovegoblin,This is an interesting theory. We all know that Saturn contacts are important in long term relationships...guess it goes along with "the glue that binds" idea. My boyfriend and I both have 5 Saturn contacts going either way. His Saturn has some softer aspects than mine though...any ideas what that might mean? (These are by orb, not just by sign) My Saturn: -Opposite his sun -Conjunct his moon -Opposite his mars -Conjunct his saturn -Square his Neptune His Saturn: -Trine my sun -Opposite my moon -Trine my mars -Conjunct my saturn -Square my neptune Hmmmm.... IP: Logged |
libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: the city so nice they named it twice! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:01 PM
You may be right Lovegoblin...I've noticed that when a person Saturn is heavily aspected in synastry they get attached more so. Don't know why that is but it seems to be the case.------------------ Sun in Libra Moon in Cancer Jupiter in Cancer Venus in Virgo Mars in Cancer Ascendant in Cancer I "FEEL" therefor I am IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Newflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:10 PM
My saturn-squares his mars squares his moon conjuncts his neptune sextiles his pluto His saturn- conjuncts my pluto sextiles my moon trines my mercury sextiles my neptune There are 4 contacts both ways, but I don't know if outers are significant. You say its sautrn, but I always thought it was the other way around. Like the inner planet person almost feeling like they "owe it" to saturn. Don't know if that;s what you mean but that's what I've thought. Anyways, I think there's other strong things too that can indicate attachment in my opinion.
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libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: the city so nice they named it twice! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:12 PM
One of them is Moon/Saturn, it's a heavy aspect and tough to deal with, but I've seen it many times in long term couples...------------------ Sun in Libra Moon in Cancer Jupiter in Cancer Venus in Virgo Mars in Cancer Ascendant in Cancer I "FEEL" therefor I am IP: Logged |
CrankyCap Newflake Posts: 0 From: Ohio Registered: May 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:23 PM
I don't know if this has to do with Saturn or not, maybe just the other contacts we have, but when we first started getting together and going on dates, it was SO HARD to say goodbye. He'd walk me to my car and get in on the passenger side, and we'd hug and kiss and talk for a while then he'd try to leave, but it would literally take HOURS of going through this process over and over again before we finally parted ways. This is still a new relationship, and it's a little easier now, but it still takes a while sometimes. The reason I thought to mention it is that although I've had long term relationships before and been crazy about people, I never felt so connected in this way...especially not in the beginning. I've always been kind of weird about that. I enjoyed the date or whatever, but I was always so ready to jump in my car and have my "reflection" time. I just wanted to cling to this guy for dear life! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4418 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:26 PM
Oh, I didn't realize we were talking synastry wise. I'll have to check that out.The synastry chart from astro.com shows each of us with three Saturn contacts to the other.
My Saturn:Squares her Uranus/Pluto conjunction Squares her Saturn Opposes her Sun (I didn't realize I had four contacts until I started writing them out.) Her Saturn: Squares my Venus/Neptune conjunction Squares my Saturn
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lovegoblin Knowflake Posts: 27 From: neverland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:31 PM
i guess from what i have heard, saturn is the one that is calling the shots. i'm just wondering if it only appears that way. saturn is supposed to be the cool one-the one without emotional attachment. again, maybe it only appears that way.it doesn't seem to matter if the aspects are hard or soft, just whose saturn is more aspected in some of the cases i have seen. i know that saturn is the one that is reserved, restrictive. maybe its because they feel the attachment more and this is a defensive stance? also-in magi astrology-they call the chiron/saturn square a heartbreak aspect. they said saturn is the one calling the shots, controls when the relationship will end- two friends had this w/so and they were the saturn-the chiron called the shots on them. they had good synastry elsewhere also-just that one aspect. just thought i'd throw out for some feedback. if anyone has had similar experiences. IP: Logged |
CrankyCap Newflake Posts: 0 From: Ohio Registered: May 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:39 PM
-From Dina Moore (throughnightsfire.com)"In synastry, Saturnian contacts are often viewed negatively if there is a square (90 degrees), opposition (180 degrees), or conjunction ( 0 degrees) involved. It is often stated that the Saturn person has a restricting or limiting influence on the other person's involved planet. This is true to an extent but it should be understood that Saturn is the vulnerable one in this situation. He is trying to hide his pain, his weaknesses from his partner and does this with a self-protecting mechanism of domination and 'parental' guidance. The very part of the other person Saturn is trying to restructure is simply an unconscious projection on his part--it is a part of the Saturnian personality that he recognizes but can't consciously associate with himself. Through this relationship, and the reflection of the unconscious need for growth, the Saturnian person becomes more conscious, more developed, in his own right. So how does this affect the other person? Well, it can be very difficult at times but if the person can understand this part of the relationship and work with it, they too will grow. The Saturnian contact will help strengthen the other person's planet and give it more conscious structure. The tension can swing back and forth between the partners as the fears and needs of each partner are put to the test by the contact. A positive Saturnian contact such as the trine (120 degrees) and the sextile (60 degrees) is easier to work with in the relationship because Saturn and the other planet have more of an understanding between them. Although Saturn can still be unconscious in these circumstances, chances are the Saturnian person has had some prior experience with a Saturnian connection in another relationship and thus has a more conscious knowledge of his Saturnian placement and is working more successfully with the energy. In the new relationship with the positive Saturn connection, the Saturnian is helping build up the structural personality of the current partner. This is a situation of growth for both partners as the Saturnian is learning to share his prior experiences in a teaching position while the other partner is developing the planet in question. Without the strength and support of a significant Saturn contact, it is fairly difficult to think in terms of long-term possibility in a relationship. This planet is a powerhouse that is often avoided in synastry because the implications are, on the surface, unpleasant. After all, we really don't like to hear the truth about our relationships or ourselves. It is less painful and easier to avoid the truth, at least at first. However, avoidance and ignorance will eventually backlash and can possibly destroy a relationship that could have been saved if the two people involved were willing to open themselves up to their fears and hostilities and had learned to integrate the energy in a more healthy fashion. While some synastry interpretations avoid Saturn and his importance in our relationships, it is one of the first planets I look at when I start a synastry reading. In my opinion, Saturn is not only important in a relationship, but is the very foundation of a long-term relationship. Without a foundation, all structures will collapse."
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lovegoblin Knowflake Posts: 27 From: neverland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:46 PM
thank you for that CC- i have read stuff on web, but have never come across that article.very good! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4418 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 04, 2007 10:54 PM
Thank goodness her Chiron is out of orb to be square my Saturn. It is in Pisces, though, and my Saturn is in Gemini.IP: Logged |
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posted October 05, 2007 12:03 AM
wow, cranky cap, thanks for that article!i love liz greene's take on saturn. she has a whole chapter dedicated to saturn in synastry. HIGHLY recommend it. IP: Logged |
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posted October 05, 2007 02:58 AM
Aaah you meant in synastry, i thought you were referring to individuals' charts.Another question: What if there are not many if any significant Saturn contacts in a synastry BUT there are some in a composite? IP: Logged |
lovegoblin Knowflake Posts: 27 From: neverland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 05, 2007 12:24 PM
Greenfairy-I don't know how that would play out composite wise-the composite is supposedly the energy between the two of you. IP: Logged |
aquaspryt69 unregistered
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posted October 05, 2007 12:58 PM
Interesting. That would help explain why I stayed with the abusive Sagi for far longer than I should have. The one aspect I remember the most was his Saturn conj my Moon. IP: Logged |
jenfullmoon Knowflake Posts: 35 From: California Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 10, 2007 05:06 PM
I've heard that hard Saturn aspects in the composite is kind of worse than synastry, because you can't change it- that's the energy between you. Synastry isn't as hard.IP: Logged |
libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: the city so nice they named it twice! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 11, 2007 12:01 AM
Another one is Sun/Saturn...this one seems to be really difficult to walk away from, the Saturn seems to play 'father figure' to the Sun, and even though the Sun gets weary and tired of it...there seems to be something keeping the Sun under Saturn's wings.------------------ Sun in Libra Moon in Cancer Jupiter in Cancer Venus in Virgo Mars in Cancer Ascendant in Cancer I "FEEL" therefor I am IP: Logged |
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posted October 11, 2007 09:45 PM
ooh, here is a great thread about saturn in synastry!! http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000809.html IP: Logged |