posted October 09, 2007 12:13 AM              

I think this is a great subject!
I too have been interested in what changes this is likely to bring and here is some of what I discovered:

Pluto in politics:
It's no surprise that the end of Bush's term is the same year that Pluto moves into Capricorn, in 2008. Historically, there are drastic changes after Pluto leaves Sagittarius. It is the time of major governmental and societal reforms. Capricorn is the sign of order and organization, and this is both a good thing and a bad thing. The move will be potentially chaotic, there will be major social and political change, but not necessarily for the better. Capricorn is about work, tends to be strict and it's all about rules. RULES, RULES, RULES! Please remember that these changes have already started. Pluto is a slow moving orb, it doesn't just jump from on sign to another, sign change is a process that includes a beginning, and middle and an end.

Things to look for when Pluto completes its leap in to Capricorn are some things that we have never seen before. There will likely be a first for either an African-American or a female president. If we don't see this as a change in this sign we will see it in the next change when Pluto moves into Aquarius. Whoever becomes the next president has the huge undertaking of putting the country back together. We will see a quick change within the first year of office. Under Capricorn look for healthcare, welfare, social and economic reform as well as environmental conservation as big topics. Also look for a change in both national and international policies, whether these changes will be good or bad are unknown.
In addition to the massive legislative governmental overhaul that will be long overdue, expect to see a major overall judicial overhaul as well. Capricorn is all about rules and the punishment for not following the rules are severe. Look for stiffer criminal sentencing including an increase in death sentences being handed down, look for indictments of political figures because no one is exempt from the law, less plea bargaining, and an increase in prison facilities and detention centers. Places like Guantanamo Bay will be shut down and there will be a trade-off of civil liberties that were stripped from us while Pluto was in Sagittarius. However, don't plan on regaining everything that we have lost until Pluto makes it into Aquarius, Capricorn is about rules and regulations and not about freedom. Also look for a push for world courts and globalization.

While you may be thinking that this is just what we need, think again. The transition from complete chaos to strict discipline doesn't come easy. Capricorn won't allow any chance of the government being overthrown, so look for stricter gun control, and the freedom to peaceful protest and grass movements to come to an end. Look for more censorship in general and laws to amend what's left of the freedom of speech in this country and any other thing that may aid a public disagreement with the government. As long as you can remember that it will be "Big Brother" before it gets better.

It will get better, but I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. Pluto doesn't make its next leap of faith into Aquarius until 2025. However, Pluto in Aquarius brings up an entirely new set of problems as well as benefits.

Source:Jordana Kwan

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The turning point for Empires

Pluto in Capricorn regularly coincides with the establishment of a new world order. With each cycle significant developments occurred: In the first century, Christianity started to become the established religion. In the 16th century, the Reformation took shape and arguably created a new religion with a work ethic suitable for the Industrial Revolution. At the same time, in South America, Cortes brought about the dissolution of the Aztec Empire (1521) and Pizarro destroyed the Inca Empire (1532) to create the Spanish global Empire, bringing untold wealth to Spain and establishing Roman Catholicism in the New World. Though the pre-Columbian dates are uncertain, it appears the both native empires were established with Pluto in Capricorn and destroyed some 250 years later when the cycle returned. Similarly, the Ottoman Empire entered a golden age under Suleiman, the Magnificent in 1520 and their European ambitions ended from 1768 with the Russo-Turkish wars.

The Disunited Kingdom

Will Empires be created and destroyed this time around? Yes! This is most likely to occur over the next sixteen years. It is arguable that the British Empire started during the reign of Henry VIII with the unification of England and Wales, Henry taking on the title of King of Ireland and his severance from the influence of Rome. Pluto was in Capricorn for nearly half of his reign: (1509 - 1547). A quarter of a century later, the next cycle of Pluto coincided with a reformation of the British Empire. While a new era opened with Captain James Cook's landing in New South Wales in 1766, American Independence ten years later transformed the nature of colonial exploitation. In this next phase starting around 2011, we are likely to see a break up of the United Kingdom, with independence for Scotland, followed by Wales. The British Isles will be reformed with home rule by each of the eight kingdoms and the republic of Ireland. Instead of control by Westminster, power will be increasingly vested in a peripatetic central council, which will act as a forum for settlement of matters of common interest such as border control, taxation, coastal waters or terrorism.

Australia - more proactive world role.

These changes will precipitate a constitutional crisis and there will be serious questioning of the, albeit limited, power, status and financial basis of the monarchy after 2011. Since the Commonwealth of Australia, like the UK, was founded on January 1st, both Capricorn countries will be especially affected around 2013 when Pluto crosses over the Sun in the Australian and the UK founding chart. Because Capricorn is quite paternalistic, some will compare the evolutionary state of the two nations as analogous to a father retiring to hand over the family business of policing the world to his son who is in a better position to do the job. For example, the EU may represent a divided UK on the UN Security Council, while Australia may become a permanent member in its own right.

USA - no longer the only superpower

The United States will also reach the beginning of the end as the only superpower. As the nation slips into increasing debt to Japan and China, the Euro will eclipse the Dollar as the world currency. The US chart has planets (Sun, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus) in Cancer and Pluto in the opposite sign of Capricorn. From 2010, the country will be deeply divided between those who want an isolationist policy and reliance on internal resources and those who want to protect US import needs and interests overseas. The only solution for the isolationists is a radical ecological programme and the imposition of alternative fuel to preserve the existing lifestyle. The interventionists face a contradiction between acting as world cop and enforcing capitalist values (Pluto in Capricorn), versus the urge to fiercely protect and rampantly acquire resources to feed the nation's huge internal needs (Sun in Cancer and Sagittarius Rising) such as fuel. Pluto returning to this sensitive planetary axis will expose this contradiction, which will alienate traditional allies and attract respect from nations (including the so-called 'pariah nations') who are more obviously motivated by self-interest. The shift in world power and money will move significantly to the east, with China starting a new empire and other national groups such as the EU, India, Japan, Russia and Pan-Arabic powers competing for superpower status.
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Breakdown of trust in Government and by Government

While the war on drugs and terror, enabled governments to justify increased surveillance, powers of detention and border controls in recent times, there will be a backlash when Pluto goes into Capricorn. Trust between government and the people will breakdown. The potential abuse of omniscient CCTV, speed cameras, ID cards, finger-printing, genetic monitoring and racial profiling, will become increasingly controversial throughout the world. Powers acquired by governments for our protection, like the Patriot Act in the US may be used to spy on less harmful activities, such as personal finances, health, political affiliations, working practices or personal relationships.

A new accountable corporate culture.

How will it be for you? The Pluto shift will affect everyone, but only a few like those born under the signs of Capricorn and Cancer will experience it in a very personal way. For many, your working life will change especially if you work for a corporation, as there will be a new culture of professionalism. Corporations, who cut corners with telephone menus, rely on exotic call centres with linguistic challenges, tolerate incompetence or who keep customers waiting will become beached whales. Products and advertising will be less oriented to providing the cheapest deal in the shortest time and move towards quality, trust and durability. Air travel will not be anything like as cheap with regulations and fuel tax, but it will be easier to avoid the queues and the feeling of being like herded like cattle.

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Styles: The color is black for Pluto, the shape is square for Capricorn.
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Sydney Omarr says:
This year, both Pluto and Jupiter will meet in Capricorn, which marks a major shift in emphasis to Capricorn-related themes. Until 2024, Pluto will exert its influence in this practical, building, healing earth sign. Capricorn relates to structures, institutions, order, mountains and mountain countries, mineral rights, and issues involving the elderly and growing older—all of which will be emphasized in the coming years. It is the sign of established order, corporations, big business—all of which will be accented. Possibly, it will fall to business structures to create a new sense of order in the world.

Starting this year, you should feel the rumblings of change in the Capricorn area of your horoscope and in the world at large. The last time Pluto was in Capricorn was the years up to and during the American Revolutionary War. Therefore this should be an important time on the United States political scene, as well as a reflection of the aging and maturing of American society in general. Both the rise and fall of the Ottoman Empire happened under Pluto in Capricorn.

Anyways, if you actually made it through reading all that...
Just wanted to say welcome again and I look forward to getting to know you.

posted October 09, 2007 05:44 AM              

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The Pluto shift will affect everyone, but only a few like those born under the signs of Capricorn and Cancer will experience it in a very personal way.

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posted October 09, 2007 01:35 PM            

They'll be experiencing double trine energy from saturn and pluto.

posted October 09, 2007 02:00 PM            

From Marjorie Orr –

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2007 & 2008: Neptune dissolves; Uranus provokes
Neptune trines the USA�s aggressively outspoken Mars in 2007 and 08 which will induce some feelings of panic and failure. Assertive plans will not work as hoped. This is a spiritual transit, not ego boosting � a time of redefining values. In 2008 Uranus squares Mars bringing a crisis of confidence in national identity with the risk of impulsive macho gestures to boost self esteem. Uranus also opposes Neptune which will bring anxiety, irrational certainties, bad judgement calls and obstinacy. It is sometimes a signifier of earthquakes. Neptune is also conjunct the USA Moon in 2008 & 2009 which will bring emotional confusion.

The Real Test: Pluto in Capricorn: 2008 to 2024
Pluto, planet of transformation, deconstruction and reconstruction will move into Capricorn, sign of established government and money making enterprises, to stay till 2024. It will trigger the American chart�s cardinal T square from 2009 opposing Venus, Jupiter, the Sun and squaring Saturn through the following seven years. It may start with an optimistic push for success or power as the over confident Pluto Jupiter affect kicks in. But following behind will be a dismantling of old structures, a reducing to ashes to clear the ground for the phoenix to arise. Though it will not be a fast process. Pluto has not been in Capricorn since the 18th century when the American War of Independence occurred, so the USA is coming full circle, in some sense back to where it began. Sometimes these major influences bring low what rose to prominence on the previous cycle. The Ottoman Empire grew to greatness under Suleiman the Magnificent when Pluto was in Capricorn in 1515 to 1530, as he took over Arabia, captured Belgrade and attacked Vienna. Next time round for Pluto in Cap. in 1768, the Ottoman Empire lost Crimea, the effective end of the great empire which Suleiman created outside the Middle East.

Challenges Come in Threes
To add to the challenges running into the first half of the next decade, Saturn will also be in Libra from late 2009 to 2011, squaring Pluto in the heavens, suggesting major wars out in the world. [See Saturn Pluto below]. It also transits round the USA�s cardinal planets in these years, bringing strain, cutback and losses. Then in 2011, disruptive Uranus moves into Aries to pick up the cardinal square to Pluto, though it will have been in orb for three to four years previously. This brings upheavals, revolutions, violence, freedom fighters, an unsettling of the established order. [The Uranus Pluto conjunction of the mid 60s saw the Vietnam War at its height with anti-government US Civil Rights and Anti-Vietnam War demos.] 2014 sees Pluto opposing the USA Sun (until 2016) and Uranus in square to it (until 2015). This will be a time of tremendous ferment, chaos, perhaps anarchy, as old structures and authorities are swept away or violently opposed. By 2017 it will be time to pick up the pieces and start the process of assembling a new order, different governmental and justice systems, a reshaped economy. These major transits will also affect other Cardinal countries like the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, Saudi Arabia amongst others.

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From Joyce Hoen --

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Pluto was first discovered when it was in the sign of Cancer, where it started its journey in 1913, just before World War I (WWI). After WWI the power factions in for instance Russia were in complete disarray, first after the collective murder of the entire family of the Tsar, and the rebellion of the suppressed nation; the result was thorough and lasting, a true Pluto action. Pluto remained in the sign Cancer for 25 years while the European world, its countries' boundaries, its empires, were being ravaged. The power of the aristocracy and monarchies belonged to a previous zodiacal cycle of Pluto a completely new cycle of power had started the power of the "common people" (Cancer).

In a way, it's easy to compare the sign Cancer to the fourth house, especially when mundane astrology or the 'astrology of the world' is being discussed. Toward the end of Pluto's sojourn in Cancer, the forerunners of the Second World War (WWII) could be noticed, a time in which a dictatorial demagogue (Pluto) tried to control the masses (Cancer) who didn't shun collective murder of those who in past times were thought to have had power.

In Western Europe the passage of Pluto through "the fourth house" of the mundane chart thus correlated with the rumbling of wars, although WWII did not truly start until Pluto entered Leo.

In 1937/1938 Pluto began a 20-year period in the sign Leo. If we divide the horoscope circle in eight phases - like the Moon's eight phases- one can compare 0 degrees Cancer with a New Moon, a moment at which all is still unaware and the fundament of the entire following cycle needs to be build first - or shaken up as was the case with Pluto when it was in the lowest 'house' of the world's horoscope. The most dramatic period coincided with the point 0 degrees Cancer - 15 degrees Leo, for after that point, when Pluto had arrived in the next (waxing) phase of its total cycle - after WWII -, renewed building and a collective baby boom started. Of course 'children' also fall under the sign Leo.

After Pluto's ravaging at the lowest point in this western "world's horoscope", when for instance weapons were discovered for mass destruction (the atom bomb), Pluto began to proceed upwards in the world's horoscope, rebuilding from the 15 degrees Leo point or, putting this differently, from the first semisquare of Pluto toward the turning point, the first square, at 0 degrees Libra.

The second phase thus started at the first semi-square and finished when Pluto reached the point of the square.i.e. at 0 degrees Libra. Rebuilding was continued during this entire period; people worked very hard, and the nations (Cancer, with which it all started) achieved more and more power over their destinations. Power and money go together, and people continued to earn more to spend. Around the 1960s earnings became higher still, and slowly but surely the people who in a previous Pluto cycle were suppressed, began to earn enough money to obtain power and, ultimately, also status.

Thus, while Pluto travelled through the first quadrant of the new cycle -which started at 0 degrees Cancer- a total turn-around of the powers that were took place. In Russia and Eastern Europe a new dictatorship had risen: that of the people's collectives with a lot of mutual espionaging going on. The time had arrived for the next phase, namely the one from 0 degrees Libra to 0 degrees Capricorn, from about 1971 - 2008. Halfway through this quarter-cycle this new dictatorship in Eastern Europe would start to fall as well, with Pluto in the 8th sign (Scorpio), midway in this second quadrant from 0 Libra to 0 Capricorn.

Matters concerning Pluto often appear to be bloody events, but alltogether it seems that we are in a Pluto-cycle during which "the people" no longer are suppressed.

Right now we have reached the end of this 'waxing' phase of Pluto, halfway through the horoscope's zodiacal circle. During the latter part of Sagittarius we notice that all over the world people hanker after safety, certainty and freedom, and wherever in the world people still are suppressed, they want to escape to the free West, which by now feels nearly inundated by the suppressed of other countries.

What will happen when Pluto will reach yet another new quadrant? To stay with the Moon cycle terminology, this will start in 2008 when the waxing phase has finished and the waning phase starts, i.e. the Full Moon point.

On January 26, 2008, Pluto will move into Capricorn for the first time, to then travel retrograde into the tail end of Sagittarius between June 14 and November 27 of that year. From November 27, 2008, Pluto will stay in Capricorn for 15/16 years 2008-2024.

The increase of population is now at its peak, and if Cancer means birth and Pluto is -of course- the most important and collectively strong factor, we may presume that this increase will last until 2008 and will decrease thereafter! Because unfortunately, the populationgrowth creates tremendous problems in Western Europe, living space (Sagittarius) becomes smaller and smaller, with the result that collective migrations are now taking place, looking for space and individual possibilities to expand. The population growth keeps demanding more and more regulations for the simple reason that we, 'the people', can't always cope with the concept of freedom and misuse our planet and the still open spaces so badly because we're still fighting for our own safety, thereby endangering the safety of others and of nature itself. Pluto is now still in the quadrant of 'mutual relations' between people (Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius), but the planet will move into a more collective quadrant (Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces) - the quadrant which asks us 'how will we all find a space that keeps us individual yet together; how will the world work it out on a grander scale?'.

A new kind of suppression is noticeable already the suppression by rules that are imposed upon us by outside forces, the authorities (Capricorn). It is also possible for us, individuals, to try if we can work with fewer rules by using our own disciplines better, by taking responsibility ourselves, as members of 'the people'.

Action is always followed by reaction. Whenever we take too much freedom individually, without regard for others, there will be a reaction. This may be imposed upon us by the ruling powers. During the sign Cancer the people murdered these rulers in order to claim power for themselves.

Now the people (that is, 'we') have gained power and occupy positions of political influence and authority. Will these same authorities this time be killed in a hostile manner, or will the people (we) show that we can handle individual freedom by actually accepting responsiblity?

Responsibility or rule? Rules originate when people don't take personal reponsibility; where there is chaos rules need to be created in the interest of the collective safety. Whenever we accept personal resonsibility, we'll need far less rules. Will it become possible during the Pluto in Capricorn period to have global governments that are formed by us, i.e., governments we personally created - apart from a collective new global dictatorship (also created by us) which will impose all sorts of laws and rules? The promise Pluto in Capricorn gives us is not at all a bad one - but are people capable of listening to their inner voice, or will they only take liberties and permit themselves to do as they like, at the cost of others? That is the question. Can we, "the people" who wanted the power in fact handle power? That is the question. This is always the question when Pluto occupies the tenth house of an individual's chart; power and the lack of it in relation to our social status are the order of the day in such cases. This theme exists because Pluto tries to use power in a pure, clean way, NOT at others' expense. Will it become possible to observe that our global governments will show far more prudence? - that people will take reponsibility for their own actions? - (just listening to our inner voice and our conscience should be sufficient) - so that all the objectionable rules will no longer be necessary? We will be tested from 2008 onward, and to begin with we might experience lots of noise and violence before we finally understand and can put it in practice - for Pluto is not a surgeon who leaves festering wounds. On the contrary should wounds occur they will be noticeable and they will cry out to be cleaned.

What can we do as individuals, when we are powerless and feel bullied by the collective powers? Just this: bring the power back to where it belongs - to ourselves. We, as people, have no power over circumstances beyond us, no matter how much we try to attain omnipotence to cover our fears. All we have is power over our own reactions and our inner life. Every individual is able to make a difference in this world. Our inner voice is far more important than any dictatorship - no matter whether this is a dictatorship of the times, of fashion, of status, or of entire global governments. Let's free ourselves of the dictatorship of status, of striving and distancing ourselves from ourselves. Take the power back and keep it with you; lead your life in harmony with your inner self, with nature and the people around you. Let's busy ourselves with all this rather than perish in the maelstrom of the collective force of social status, positions and powerful respectively powerless relations. We are in a prolonged Pluto cycle in which we must learn how to handle power, a cycle in which individuals ultimately need to be free to be their own self, without this happening at others' expense. Pluto in Capricorn appears to be the culmination of what was happening during Pluto in Cancer, when the planet was discovered and showed us that power belonged to the people. The people, that's us, you and me and all the others. Can we create a better world with Pluto in Capricorn by showing that we need fewer rules from the outside world and simply listen to our inner rules - the rules we all possess anyway?

We haven't reached that point yet in the coming year Pluto will first be making a conjunction with the Galactic Centre (at 26 degrees Sagittarius). In 2008, times will have changed again, and personally I definitely feel I'm still in the Pluto-in- Sagittarius phase, so that I cannot do better than speculate what will occupy us in the future. Still, astrology shows us in theory which themes will become of importance. It is evident that from 1995, when Pluto began its journey through Sagittarius, a huge revival of near "obligatory success" in the world took place. Sagittarius is rather expansive, very enthusiastic and full of vision. The economy continued to exist by the grace of all sorts of slogans regarding visions of the future that, for a great deal, rested on pantomime and balderdash. All this took place in a world full of advertisements of succesful power brokers making telephone calls in the streets for instance. Reality will overtake them all from 2008 on. I will be breathing with considerable more ease when all this economic coaching and all the balderdash about huge sums of money will become more realistic. However, I will also sadly say farewell to that part of the period Pluto-in-Sagittarius that brought us a great stimulant for meeting other peoples, other cultures, much travel, and the adventures of new worlds.

Living 'in the Now' is really better suited to Pluto in Capricorn than to Pluto in Sagittarius, for Now we live in the Future (Sagittarius). Capricorn is Time itself. Collectively we will be living in the Now more and more our future depends on it. The past and its abuse of power will certainly be brought to light and cleaned up, but unrealistic visions of the future will also belong to the past.

We will handle the principle of living in the Now better; day after day we need to be aware of how we regard the world using our own reponsibility rather than someone else's, which is helpful to others. By the year 2008 I will start living in the Now, and I'll be discovering how this feels, this new period with Pluto in a new sign and in a new quadrant. My quess is that it won't be easy-going during the first few years as large 'tension aspects' will occur with Uranus, Saturn and Pluto in the cardinal signs in 2010. The world will change, that's a certainty.

Hopefully we will witness large corporations, so powerful now and misusing these powers, (and made up from the people who took over the power at the beginning with Pluto in the "fourth" house) go under in favour of a better use of power. A better use which is not at the cost of others, and which will show more responsibility for the environment in which we live and which we share with each other, and this will not depend on outside factors, but on us. Our status might become ruined, but that is 'only' ego.

Our soul will want to express itself and will call for us to join our inner being so that we will be able to stand strong and whole in the outside world - not with a false status, not under the yoke of leaders or even boards and committees busy only with attaining status. Actually, 'status' will be out of fashion once Pluto will be in Capricorn ... ah, what a liberation!

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From Carl Woebcke --

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Pluto will be in Capricorn for everyone on Earth from Jan. 25, 2008 to June 14, 2008, and then from Nov. 26, 2008 to Jan. 21, 2024. The last time it was there was from Nov. 8, 1762 to Dec. 1, 1778 during the American Revolutionary War. Pluto actually entered Capricorn at the end of the French and Indian War (1754-1763) that determined which colonial power would dominate America, and in which the colonists tasted what it was like to be mobilized (albeit in the British cause). At the 1763 Treaty of Paris, all French Territory east of the Mississippi was ceded to the British. The British immediately reserved the land it had just been ceded for exclusive use by Native Americans. Although the purpose of this "Royal Proclamation" was to maintain some control over the 13 colonies’ westward expansion, it was, in fact, the beginning of the end. Shortly thereafter the passage of the British "Intolerable Acts" (the 1764 Sugar Act and the 1765 Stamp and Quartering Acts) led to the forming of the First Continental Congress to consider united resistance.

Governments and the Earth (both represented by Capricorn) will be in upheaval (Pluto) during this period, and much that is outdated and ready to die will fall. Revolution and anarchy will surface more than in the years before, and the people (Pluto ruling the public and the anarchic mob) will be heard with a louder voice. This is a time when governments will have to keep close watch on their thermonuclear devices, also symbolized by Pluto.
Pluto takes 248 years to circle the Sun; that's how long its "year" is. Pluto therefore stays on average 21 years in a sign, although its orbit is so elliptical that it can reside from 12 years (Scorpio) to 32 years (Taurus) in one sign. Pluto's effect by sign position is therefore collective, global, or generational, rather than personal. Everyone in a particular generation has Pluto in the same sign, and it therefore effects and characterizes the psyches of entire generations. Each of the outer planets, however, including Pluto, is in a different house every two hours due to the earth’s daily rotation on its axis. Therefore Pluto's position by house is very individual.

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