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Diandra23
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posted October 17, 2007 12:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi ALL!

Sth that my bf told me yesterday made me look into the charts of my Twin and a guy.
That guy (whcih is friend of my bf) looked at her piecture and became fascinated by my sister ( of course she is beautiful hihi)-that made me look into their charts and see if sth would pop up !

This is their sinastry (they dont know each other)-and his time birth is unknow~,so his Moon/AC might be off but still..

What do you think?
Some things did let me "OMG" like

-His Saturn conj her AC in 0šorb
-Their ACīs are in wide trine orb
- Her Venus conjunct his NN
- Her Kiron conj his Isis/AC
- Juno/Eros conjunction
- hER Valentine trine his Venus/Valentine
-His Valentine trine her Karma
- His Sun/Moon falls on her 5th hOUse
- Her IC falls on her 7th
-Her karma/Valentine/Mars falls on his IC
- her AC falls on his 5th
-Her NN/PF/Isis falls on his 1st
- his Destiny/Karma/Saturn falls on her 1st

Im very curious to hear your thoughts on this

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posted October 17, 2007 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Diandra23,

I found lots of connections with them, but first I will gently say to you and anyone else posting a chart to be looked at, it is so much easier if you don't include a huge amount of asteroids (preferably none) and it's not necessary to have lines for every aspect made in the chart, I actually prefer no lines at all so that I can stream line the chart to the most important measurements. It's actually not necessary to read every measurement in a chart, most of them are just echoes of the important big bells ringing in the chart.

I took the birthdata from your chart and reconstructed it for simple analysis.

The first thing I looked for and saw right away is that her Venus conjuncts his Node or the Nodal Axis. This is a big romantic soulmate measurement, everything else branches out from there. It's as if her Venusian energies are streaming right into the juggular vein of his soul.

Her Venus opposes his Sun, it's like a full Moon to him, but it's a full Venus shining love on him. Her Sun conjuncts his Jupiter. This means that she feels like a happy reward to him, as if he has won the Oscar or an Olympic Gold Medal.

Her Sun also conjuncts his Mars, that is hot sexual chemistry being expanded even more with his Jupiter there.

Her Mars trines his Venus, the classic planetary relationship for romance and chemistry.

Her Pluto trines his Sun, according to Linda Goodman, this is a gift to both of them for good behavior in past lives. She powerfully supports who he is, there is more fascination, fun mystery along with the 5th house energies of the trine, creativity and sexuality.

Her Saturn trines his Sun, there could be positive longevity for them should they decide to pursue a relationship.

Her Venus squares his Uranus, this is one of the love at first sight aspects, magnetic and intense romantic energies are felt from the start.

Her Uranus also squares his Sun (possibly his Moon), this is an intense energy that feels shocking to him. Sometimes it indicates a quick intense romance, along with the Venus square Uranus, so it's a free will choice for them because they also have the Saturn-Sun trine indicating long-term relationship.

I can now understand why he saw her picture and the attraction hit him like a ton of bricks. He must have felt like a piano of joy was dropped on his head.

Geocosmic Valentine

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Diandra23
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posted October 17, 2007 02:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geocosmic Valentine ( sounds very good )

Your analysis was simply amazing - i also was quite shocked to see the interconnections - and you only talked about the main planets!!

Im sorry if i put all the asteroids - these last times they really have been impressed me in sinastry and showed huge amount of important conections too - but in this case, they werent necessary for seeing the big picture.

And your last quote was very funny - i do wish verymuch for them to meet but my sister is much more practical and realistical than me and once that the guy lives far away from her city - i dont know if she would feel the atraction so huge to make her drop down that kind of obstacle.

Me and my bf live far away too but we manage it - and we also share the venus.uranus aspect like them - big true you said - and also the uranus-sun - but then again we have Saturn binding (my moon and NN) and my Draco AC conj his Draco Saturn.We always knew it is serious and committed one


Thanks so much - i enjoyed a lot the appreciation

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posted October 17, 2007 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Welcome Diandra23,

I find that if your astrological knowledge with the main planets is SOLID, you don't need to use the asteroids. If the planets don't show enough classic connections and both parties don't feel the connection face to face, I think people are just obsessively trying to find something to make their attraction valid or hoping against hope that something will happen. Next thing you know, you have an obsessive friendship with the paper the chart is printed on and your not relating to the flesh and blood person at all.

I don't totally dismiss the asteroids, I don't know a whole lot about them, but I'm enjoying reading about them from the people on this forum who have a great knowledge of them, I've even come to see that the asteroid Valentine is showing some consistant strength in the synastry charts I have in my files and in relationships I've had. Though I'm not a big believer in Chiron as a romantic asteroid even if the Magi Astrologers have declared that it is.

With Chiron, I have a theory about it within the synastry profile. There is a saying, "You only hurt the ones you love." That saying exists for a reason. Once you are in a relationship, you begin to deal with the day to day mundane issues of life together. Couples are constantly arguing with one another, that is a healthy reality. They hurt and heal each other off and on through out the relationship. That might be the role that Chiron is playing, because no relationship is like Valentine's Day or Christmas Day on a daily basis. I think Chiron may be showing a constant wounding and healing cycle in the relationship. For some the wounding is like ripping band aids off, for others it is as bad as domestic abuse. But once again, this is just a theory I'm batting back and forth.

Well, I've pontificated long enough (LOL!). Maybe this guy will take a trip to meet your sister, those same aspects in that synastry chart affect her, too.

Geocosmic Valentine

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Diandra23
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posted October 17, 2007 06:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the analisis you did thereīs no doubt of your solid knowledge about astrology - but on what concerns to me..well thats another story hihihi

Im still learning at a very progressive and slow movement, but here i have been meeting wonderful people who always have their knowledge to share and generously - thats a very gracious gift to give and receive , so i gladly welcome it!

You also have right concerning kiron - i do believe that no relationship ( at least the stronger ones) is without suffering some and healing some other sum - well i do have my venus/mars in Leo so is said that I like some quite of Drama in my love life ( not so much hein..)

For me Kiron is Healing and that means thereīs always wounds - and its always mutual and healthy that after a fight the couple stays even more bonded - itīs like Saturn in some way i think.
Whenever me and my bf argue,after that we feel like as if we are transforming ourselfes into some other someones,more hurted but at the same time,more aware of how the other is capable of loving us , through pain sometimes and therefore,healing

Valentine,well I personally love that one you know - and every sinastry with couples who love each other i looked,always had that special conection with eacth other..

You will see the pattern developing more and more as you read about IQīs threads for example about that ones


I would just love that he would make such a good impression coming here specially to meet her - indeed she would feel impressed.
She doenst specially like my bfīs city and on my country thereīs a "rival" between the north and south type as if "We that are the North people are so completelly diferent that we dont miixrture with South people" :P - Nonsense as when concerns to Love that futile things doenst exist but well i Hope that will come the day when my sister will come to her sense and dismist what she said to me when talking about lomg distance relationships :" I will never be in such a thing cause i cant ever love someone who is far away from me " - It would be those Coincidences wouldn it?

Kiss

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posted October 17, 2007 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes,

I've been reading Iqhunk's postings with great interest. That's where I learned about asteroid Valentine.

I am still in neutral about Chiron, where as I wouldn't have even considered it as a positive influence for synastry 1 month ago.

For example, I met someone on one of the social sites like MySpace & Facebook and we are very attracted to each other though I don't think we'll ever meet because we're in different countries. But we have some of what the Magi's call "Cinderella" linkages with our Chiron's.

His Sun, Mercury and Neptune exactly trine my Chiron. As a matter of fact, we have a Water Grand Trine with my Jupiter trine Chiron trine his Neptune-Sun-Mercury conjunction. That's like a super "Cinderella". But his Chiron conjuncts my Mercury. It definitely shows itself in as kind of a communications wounding. He speaks a different language and insists on writing in computer slang, languages other than english and his own and then he'll write poetically and won't even try to spell things correctly in any language. It can be rather funny, but then sometimes it's just frustrating.

His Chiron sextiles my Venus which is also a mild "Cinderella". A lot of times I don't even count sextiles even with regular planets because they are so weak, I don't think a sextile has ever made or broken a relationship to be truthful. I usually only count them if it's one of the outer planets.

Even without Chiron in the synastry, I could have already guessed that my attractive friend would have issues with communication because his natal Mercury is highly stressed by his Neptune and his Sun. There are positives in that he can pretty much understand anyone in any language after trying to communicate with them after a while, but then he writes and spells "willy nilly" in many languages at one time and even mixes that with ancient languages and old english in niambic pantameter like Shakespeare. He is a language potpourri, but that doesn't mean that you are communicating in such a way as to be understood by the person you want to share information with. I didn't need Chiron to tell me this would be the case with him.

Anyway, I debate with myself about it, not just with you and your feedback has been very valuable. It's all good.

I'm drifting so I'll stop now. Do you think that guy will travel to meet your sister? I have a feeling he'll say yes if you invite him to tag along on one of your trips home. what an amazing synastry experiment that would be.

Geocosmic Valentine

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venusdeindia
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posted October 18, 2007 02:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Di, that is good synastry. alsp why not arrange a blind date. we can do with a bunch of research subjects
also if the above aspects play out mutually they will both thank u
have u tried their Draco ?

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Got Gemini?
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posted October 18, 2007 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll post that davison for you tomorrow morning. Been really busy these past few days. Sorry bout the delay.

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GeminiLover75
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posted October 18, 2007 05:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't realise that Venus square Uranus was a love at first sight aspect... how wonderful!

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posted October 18, 2007 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Diandra!

The synastry does look great. It definitely explains the instant attraction! Did you say this is a friend of your honey's? That would be kind of cool!

Do you and your twin have most of the same aspects?

Geo,

Your posts are really insightful. I always enjoy reading them!

I believe that the asteroids don't take the place of the planetary influences, they just add a little depth. The best way that I've found to check them out is to look at a past event that was a biggie in your life, and look at the transits with the asteroids. That can be very enlightening. DarkDreamer has a thread...I think it's called "A Little Research" that looks at the amount of aspects within 2 degrees of the asteroids and planets with existing couples. Interesting!

As for Chiron, maybe it's the kind of aspect that determines whether it will hurt or heal in this lifetime. Could be why Venus square Chiron is called a heartbreak aspect and why the others are Cinderellas... It has made sense in my relationships. Those that were hurtful do have negative Chiron aspects. Those that have been beneficial have positive ones. (I don't think, however, Chiron alone can determine whether or not a relationship lasts.)

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Diandra23
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posted October 18, 2007 07:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im very happy to see so many posts

Geocosmic,
well,reagrding kiron itīs like 8Moon said,they alone cant hold for a realtionships itself but if a sinastry have powerful conections in a love relationship,then itīs probable that also have at least one cinderella linkages.

As far as ive seen,there was no sinastry that ive lookd at (including my familyīs ones) that didnt had at least one.
Magi only looks at 3šorb aspects on that.

Then again, its necessary that we only look at astrology when there is in fact already a relationship with the 2 persons.

This time i didnt do that cause i thought very stranhe that particular event and sth told me to see the sinastry cause it would show sth important..and here it is!

You know what? Thay guy seems very sweet and with a good heart ( by what my bf told me)- he just got out of a relationship ( where his gf just left him after he gave her a car in her birthday...arghghghg) - but i will see if i can arrange sth

Venus,
when i looked at the sinastry i thought of you - cause there it is so many good aspects, it remembered me the one of your parents also.
Today im gonna see some Dracos cause I bet it will show even more important placements

Gemini,
yes it is - people usually look at venus/uranus skuare as a bad aspect by y itsslef but at the same time it also has a wonderfu lmeaning and it is true indeed!

GotGemini,
i dint realised you said that you were posting a davidon before hihih - must be my Alzheier again...

EightMoon,

Yes he is a friend of my Jonnhy - it would be sth funny wouldnt it?
I really was hoping that this guy could be a good guy for her cause she really had some bad experiences and as a sister I do feel that she is feeling sad about it and i do wanna see her happy with someone who really loves her and values her.

Jonny came to meet me so why woulnd this guy do the same for my sister? This is what i am hoping for!

Me and my Twin share almost everything in our charts.
All of our planets are conj each other,all in the same houses and sign except:

-my MC is in 0šCanc and hers is at Gem
-her Moon is in the last degree of the 8th house,while mine is in the 8th house
-my VX conj e xactly my DSC,while hers dont
- Her Neptune is in her 4th,while mine is in the 3rd (talk about daydreaming and thinking..)
- our ACīs are diferent:mine is Libra and hers is Virgo

Thats it

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Mariangela
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posted October 18, 2007 10:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting insights. I have a question, if you don't mind providing your interpretation. With Venus square Chiron, who does the hurting?

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Diandra23
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posted October 18, 2007 10:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mariangela

uhhh thats a portuguese name

Well i dont know exaclty..since kiron is the healer planet,maybe its the planet person who hurts?But i think its also in the 2 ways - cause when we hurt a person we love,we also feel hurted inside by casing pain to the other one - in the healing its the same way:if im the kiron person i can somehow help to mending the otherīs wound but at the same time that process can heal some of my wounds too

I have both them in sinastry: the venus/kiron trine and the venus/kiron skuare - so we 2 are eventualy hurting and healing the wounds hihihi

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posted October 18, 2007 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey diandra, I did that davison in that other thread for you.

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Diandra23
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posted October 18, 2007 06:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!

For telling me

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Diandra23
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posted January 21, 2008 07:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi im bumping this cause the guy has dumped his girlfriend and now im seriously thinking about in a good oportunity to arrange a meeting between him and my twin

It will be hard cause they dont live in same cities and its pretty far away ( 3 hours) but...i think Destiny will also play a role here if these two are meant to jump into each other!

The funny thing is that my bf one of these days told me that the guy after dumping the gf who cheated on him told Jonnhy " hey now i can meet your gfīs sister, am still hoping that! OMG - He still thinks of her and didnt met her

Im just keeping this thread alive for just in case ...

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Diandra23
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posted April 23, 2008 06:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was the one i was looking for!

GUYS...im almost getting it!!!Almost convincing my twin sister to meet him this weekend!

Magically,me and my bf are going to see Cirque du Soleil and the guy dont stop asking for her,to only see her,meet her and i showed her today his photos and surprisingly she saw every and didnt said NO!!! She is almost saying yes to a meeting,a coffe or sth but i KNOW that this will be a SPECIAL DAY!!!!!My feeling is that he must very well be THE ONE for my TWin Sister, i always had the feeling that he is indeed special and i just saw him once!


Wish us luck!!!!

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Diandra23
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posted April 23, 2008 07:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dismiss only his asc and Moon as i dont know his time of birth

i did their Dracos:

His:


Her:


in instant i see:

His draco SUN/mOON conh her ASC!
His draco Venus opose her Juno(4)
His draco Valentine conj her Draco ASC OMG!
Hsi draco VX ocnj her Kiron
His draco Amor and Union conj her Draco VENUS!
His draco Karma conj her Juno(4)
Hsi draco KARMA CONJ HER DRACO DESTINN/UNION!
His DRACO Pluto exact conjunct her DRACO KARMA and VALENTINE(2)!!!DOUBLE OMG!and..conj her MOON!

her Draco Isis conj his Venus!/draco mars and jup
Her Venus conj his draco Amor..
Her Draco Moon conj his NN!

sincerely..ive never seen such amazing conections - i dont know about you,but i think i might very well be looking to a prbable Twin Soul scenario here.and i even dont know his asc,this is just on looking to the other conections!


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Diandra23
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posted May 02, 2008 06:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They met and instantaneously liked each other but...they got very introverted and kind of shy

As they live far away, i just wished their aspects and excnahge of energies kind of "melt" that distance in order for them to connect more with each other.

Venus or DD are you around here? What did you thought about their Dracos?

Kiss

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posted May 02, 2008 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"They met and instantaneously liked each other..."

awww!

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Diandra23
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posted May 02, 2008 07:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

yup i did thought it was great - i had my expectations high on them hihihi

Ive helped what i could,now itīs up to them to work for the next encounter!

to me they make an excellent couple together...and i say this for the deep of my heart!

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posted May 02, 2008 07:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
important contacts between the main luminaries plus good house overlays is the first thing that caught my eye...

yet, snowflakes, how do u think all this opp between sun and moon, and sq to the asc will play out?

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Diandra23
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posted May 02, 2008 07:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Winky winky

disregard his asc cause i dont know his time of birth,so his Moon also may be seen with a "grain of salt".

Some look at opositions as being polarities,so there might be a kind of ying-yang exchange of energies when it comes to the opositions of both luminaries.

i liked his saturn conj her asc and also venus conj NN and his sun falling on her 5th

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posted May 02, 2008 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's good that there is some contact at all with the luminaries and the Ascendant. But she did say to disregard his Moon and ASC because she doesn't have the correct time.

My other thought about them becoming introverted is that they may have become overwhelmed by the intense feelings of the meeting and possibly pressure for it to be perfect all at once. I think they should give themselves time, but I have my fingers crossed as well. Quite a fascinating story.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted May 03, 2008 06:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diandra , thats great news finally

their Dracos are great, but that diustance thing ...lets be prctical it needs to be worked on. but if they overcome their shyness and past bad experiences they should be able to make it work

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