posted October 25, 2007 10:33 PM              

My progressed chart is all water, cancer, scorpio, pisces.
My sun is taurus/6th house, mercury gemini/7th house, mars/ascendant sag/1st hours. venus in aries/5th house. moon in cancer/8th house. juno capricorn/2nd house.

Do people you love make you want to scream? ever? do you ever think relationships are too much work?

posted October 26, 2007 05:37 AM              

Romance for me has fallen off the face of the earth, partly because I have a lot of trust issues and don't want to get too heavily involved with people's problems. I need to stay in control, so am showing a tough exterior and impassivity, so no-one really knows what I am thinking a lot of the time (Pluto transits, anyone?). Mostly I'm just enveloped in work.

What I really want is real love, but of a type that evolves from a friendship. Not the sort that immediately starts off with the boy-girl thing and follows a predictable routine and expectations, but the sort that grows over time. Which I think is what everyone wants really, deep down.

Love,

X

posted October 26, 2007 12:01 PM            

And I DO like what Osho says about relation-ship...ships sink!!!

Relation, yes, as humans we are virtually forced to interact atleast at some level to re-late to one another. A huge hermit I am, but in my profession and in the mundane every day life of this and that I find myself re-lating--tho I really do not want to.

I have an ever-increasing disdain for humanity in general. People have proven to me over and over that they are ego-centered, selfish, they have lost dignity and respect for their fellow humans and are just kind of "dumb."

"Relationship" is a very relative term and is highly personal for each individual. For me, however I shall never, ever again be invloved in the "traditional relationship" of modern day society.

I am a Pisces sun, highly, VERY highly Aquarian with a Scorp asc and a Taurus moon...

posted October 26, 2007 01:17 PM              

both of you have transits effecting your asc/desc axis .. by square aspect ..
sthenri .. for you it's saturn .. xena for you it's jupiter
( btw: for mr.p .. t.saturn trining natal lillith .. and opposing his sun .. plus t.chiron aspecting placements)

be loads off other stuff going on in your charts .. pluto for example ..
xena saturn is moving thru your 12th ..
bit too much to list and timeline out at the moment ..
( i.e. i've got 'headless chicken' and 'grrrrrr' transits on at the moment )
( 'n yes i realise kairon gives asc and mc angles slightly different to astro.com .. )

did you know .. xena your asc/desc.. sthenri your mc/ic .. axis .. are nearly the same ..
so transiting uranus effecting both .. i.e. a few degrees prior to each ..

posted October 26, 2007 04:14 PM              

So, these last days,well,i think a week and bit more,suddently i woke up and everything around me seems too much...and at the same time...too hard.

I scream with all that i feel are not understanding me and i have been crying a lot - for little things and for big things..

Its like reality is now coming down to me at its full velocity and no one seems to be seeing that im unhappy and i dont really know what its happening and why.

And yes...specially the ones that i love most are the ones who makes me wanna sleep fprever and never to wake up..

Maybe its cause a transit - a friend of mine says its saturn its conj my Sun...

posted October 28, 2007 10:22 AM              

BTW, love the pics - you read my mind - how??? I'm currently looking at Surrealists/ Hieronymus Bosch for inspiration.

posted October 28, 2007 10:52 AM            

Wish I could get some pointers.

posted October 28, 2007 11:54 AM              

**BTW, love the pics - you read my mind - how???**
nope no mind reading .. just a hunch is all ..
quite liked them myself .. :-)

Hieronymus Bosch .. .. bit nightmarish though ..
~ http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/501641150_85b5fec8c1_o.jpg ~
had a really odd dream once that connected to his paintings ..
sort of wish i'd taken notice at the time ..
i.e. what the dream was trying to tell me ..
'cause it more or less turned out to be how things transpired ..

~ Dani California ~
post date time and place ..
or just check your chart to see what outer transits you may be having ..
see if they somehow relate to your seventh house ..
i guess there would be other placements to look at ..
i'm no expert .. but can have a look see ..
and if i can't .. someone else might ..

posted October 28, 2007 02:31 PM              

There's no logic, I'm expected to be at the beck and call of everyone otherwise I'm not a good, reliable, friend, or boring. Then I'm too flighty. On or the other.

No-one wants to partner up, they want to tell me what to do. No friends, just would be partners and friends in crisis.

I prefer friends, that's my Venus in Aries in the 4th-and 5th.

I agree relationships sink, and relating honestly is better. Expressing TRUE feelings is even better. It's an art, intimacy is Work.

It's a survival technique.

And I'm trying to survive, in my world everyone wants to ....me or point out my faults. Everything I say is an argument.

Saturn is on my Sun it's true.
Natal Sun is in Taurus in the 6th.

posted October 30, 2007 04:16 PM              

Oh, and where relationships are concerned, I ask myself what I would want a relationship for at this point? When cooking, cleaning and washing are ultimately all it amounts to?

I am not ready for it right now. I am into discovering myself. And BTW, I am no man-hater. It's funny how people I know, often who have experienced considerable *relationship problems*, go out of their way to comment on my private life. My mother tells me my marriage was a *disaster* (no reflection on my parents' marriage, then), an elderly female friend comments that I *don't seem to have much luck with men* (she was never married - projection, anyone?) and I read everywhere in the papers about Kylie Minogue having a *string of failed relationships*. How patronizing? Pathetic! Relationships aren't a failure, they're a learning experience.

Actually, HD, Saturn in 12th doesn't seem all that difficult for me - not YET, anyhow. I can just stand back and observe people going about their lives, and feel strangely remote, though entirely in tune with myself. I am more completely *myself* than I ever have been, but strangely tactful with it. I don't lie to anyone and I don't brownnose.

But what seems more prominent to me is Saturn's move into Virgo. Affecting things on a wider scale, not just myself. So my perceptions, and everybody else's perceptions are altered. I could literally feel the difference. So the change in my personal chart wasn't as palpable as the general shift.

I've had a phase recently where I was experiencing regret for my breakup with Mr. Aqua, for God's sake! Then I reread the things I've written here and realize I was right to do so.

I also have regrets about some of my actions over the past year. What if I'd still stayed living in the same place? What if I hadn't left this and that job in order to run my own business? Will I be able to cut it, careerwise, in the coming months and years? Will I be able to come up with the goods? How will I do financially speaking? All this is really important to me right now, so it's easy to see why relationships must necessarily take a back seat.

posted October 31, 2007 10:30 AM              

transiting Uranus is only a few degrees before your Descendant ..
about halfway between your moon and descendant ..
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/Planets.html ~

** When cooking, cleaning and washing are ultimately all it amounts to? **
huh .. one has to do that anyway .. relationship or no relationship ..

the first year i'd been here .. t.neptune was trining my moon
now i've had t.uranus squaring my moon ...
huge huge difference in 'feel' ..
i mean they're as opposite in nature as it gets ..
ones' 'merge' the other is 'separate'

i've noted with t.uranus to my moon i've become somewhat more impersonal ..
e.g. in the way i end my posts for example .. little things like that ..
not that i ever come accross as particulariy 'personal' .. not with natal uranus in first house .. connected to a g.c. configuration ..
there's also disruptions on the home front as well ..
as well as a distinct change to my guitar playing .. as in learning new things by accident ..
being awoken to new ways of approaching old formats ..
not to mention computer disruptions and changes ..
all quite uranian i.m.h.o.

i'd say transiting Uranus has a lot to do with it ..
i.e. in your chart as well as natashas' chart ..

it's quite a disruptive effect .. with the accent on individualism .. singularity and such ..
and t.uranus is not exactly noted for it's calming effect .. more like 'stressful' ..
and add transiting this that and the other .. jupiter in your case .. saturn in natashas' case
and not to forget about t.Pluto ..

think about it ...

posted November 01, 2007 11:41 AM              

Experiencing major frustrations in career, as always. Today being one of those days when i am totally f*@£!d off with people being so utterly useless and not pulling their weight, when I always try to do at least SOMETHING to keep the ball rolling.

So, if Uranus is stirring up a maelstrom around my Desc/Moon, whatever, what the heck's it gonna do when it touches my Sun in a few years' time?

posted November 01, 2007 01:40 PM              

** So, if Uranus is stirring up a maelstrom around my Desc/Moon,
whatever, what the heck's it gonna do when it touches my Sun in a few years' time? **
.. sparkling fireworks ??? ..

t.Uranus has been doing my head in .. as in temper wise .. it's vile .. vivienne vyle ..
but it's been tMars aggravating moi .. it's only been in my first house for a few days now ..
ggrrrrrrrrrrrr .. ;-)

anyhow .. uranus is still retro .. methinks that's the crappola ..
goes direct soon .. november ..
i think the fact that it's sitting between your moon and desc. is a key ..
had started to check something out here .. 'cause i noticed it's the midpoints
that give me the most trouble stress wise .. i.e. from mars transits
i aimed to make a couple of graphics to illustrate that point ..
but as i was checking it .. noticed that one midpoint ..
actually makes a 'minor aspect to natal pluto ..
i.e. it's a recent mars transit point that had me over stressed ..

turning on the minor aspects in the astro programme ..
well it makes the grid overly complicated .. so i normaly leave them turned off ..
i'll take a look 'n see if there are minor aspects at play in your transits ..

my theory is that the midpoint is like having forces pulling either way
between the planets/angles involved ..

posted November 01, 2007 03:24 PM              

in your chart .. minor aspects from .. transiting Uranus
currently a :
decile aspect to natal chiron ..
and a :
tetranovile aspect to natal pluto ( that'll be generational i would think )

transiting lillith is trining natal moon and venus
and making a quine aspect to natal mercury

sorry .. no idea what those minor aspects mean ..
or how they might effect someone ..