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Vanny
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posted October 26, 2007 03:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all,

First i would like to thank you for taking the time to read this cause i feel miserable!! I would love it if someone could take the time to look at our chart or someting just to shed a little light on this for me.

I met a guy in the summer and i truly felt that he was perfect for me but all off a sudden this hole thing crushed!!

He saw me once and wanted to meet me so desperatly he waited till 5 am to see me (i was at work). We started talking and everything was great. He left around noon and he called me again around 1 am to meet me again but i was so tired so i told him i would call him later. I saw him again a week later and than it happened.... we had sex. (I know not the smartest move but it felt soooo good) After we finished he wanted to do it again but i said no... that's because i didn't feel like it after a remark he'd made about 2 people in my life that apperently lied 2 me so i was down. I just couldn't explain it to him at the time. We went to sleep and he left in the morning.

He is quite young and very busy with work, school and soccer so i didn't want to come on to strong i called him 3 times a week to meet but he acted very vague. This went on for about 6 weeks. One day i felt brave enough to ask him what was going to happen between us... he said he didn't think it would work out but he wanted to see me again?!?!?! I was soo confused and still am.

He is so adorable and kind and he chased me for a while so i really really don't understand what went wrong. I miss him and it hurts... I just don't know what to do??

He's a pisces (3-3-87>???) i'm a scorp (11-17-84>01:22am) maybe it's just the age difference but i doubt it. Somebody please please help this sad girl.

Thanks

(please forgive me for my english i did my best :-))

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lalalinda
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posted October 26, 2007 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately no good is going to come from this.
As hard as this sounds you're just going to have to let it go.
I'm so sorry this happened to you.
So typically young male.
The part about seeing you again could be translated into.
"I'd like to pop by periodicly and let you service me "

consider yourself lucky that you found out how he is early and a minimal amount of time was wasted on him.

sending you a big hug babygirl.

for a laugh http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009047.html

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Diandra23
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posted October 26, 2007 04:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I Vanny

I just wanted to say whats on my heart..

I didnt looked at the chart cause really it isnt needed and im sorry that you have passed through that..sure that you dont deserve it.

You dont have a huge age diference,what really differs is that he is a young guy with no maturity who just wants to have fun with the girls and you are a girl who seeks a guy with whom you can share more than sex.

So, dont feel sad cause it will not gonna last - feel happy cause you had a good time that night - but now he´s part of the Past.

GO and meet other guys and before you know it, you will find someone whith whom you can experience Love

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted October 26, 2007 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Vanny,

I'm working on the charts now. I'll be able to give you some information sometime between now and the morning. In the meantime, reeeeelaaaax. I know you feel very intense right now, that much I already see in your chart. Think of something else, get busy with anything other than thoughts of him.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted October 26, 2007 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Vanny,

I finished way before I thought I would. :smile:

Just for future reference, when you give an astrologer your birth information, you must include your place of birth along with the date and time. I set up both of your charts for Amsterdam because of your profile, so it’s based on that.

When I put your charts together, I see patterns that suggest tremendous sexual chemistry and measurements that feel like deep love to both of you, so I don’t think that he was only using you at the time. Now, here’s the big BUT. Neither one of you have any Saturn aspects to each other’s planets and that means no longevity. This was meant to be a temporary love affair to teach you both something and it may take some time for both of you to figure out those lessons and use them in future relationships.

Recently he has experienced some energies that has caused him to desperately need freedom. It’s not just freedom from you, it's freedom from very many things in his life, but it is a pressure that he cannot deny or escape. There’s something he needs to move on toward and we may not be privy to what that is.

Your chart also reflects this break up as well. Saturn crossed over your Moon which usually feels depressing as it happens. Your Moon rules your 11th house, the 11th house means love received, hopes, wishes and dreams. You used the phrase, “everything was crushed.” Saturn symbolizes heaviness, limits, endings, boundaries, it can be stern, depressing, strict, ambitious, controlling and many other things, but that symbolized and end to the love you were receiving. Saturn is moving away, so hopefully you won’t be feeling as sad as you have been the last few weeks.

Right now you are feeling very intense about relationships in general, it’s been electrically intense for you and you may feel that you appear crazy to everyone around you. That may actually be true, your public appearance may be slightly manic around this situation and around relationships in general. You are supposed to be learning about these things right now. I feel you’ll be receiving spiritual help around relationships, probably starting with this mini-consultation you’re receiving now. I want to tell you to guard your health. DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF SICK OVER THIS OR ANYONE!! There is definitely a spiritual focus around relationships coming swiftly around you, go with it, let things flow.

One of the highest loving things we can do for someone we love is setting them free when they need it. I know it happened when you weren’t ready for it and that hurts tremendously. And don’t feel bad about anything that you did, the earth school is about all kinds of experiences, good, bad and indifferent. And we’re here to make big mistakes as well. I’m a big advocate for being a fool for love, taking chances. You did that, you did it well, it won’t be the last time, but you’ll become more refined and wise about love over time, you’ll learn to hold back when it’s time and to give in when it’s time. BUT…..you’re going to be alright. There are a bunch of people here who are more than willing to hold your hand, digitally of course. There are a few goblins here, too, so watch out. If someone says something nasty about what you shared here, IGNORE THEM, ok?

Be well, Vanny, this will ease up gradually, but not before it’s supposed to.

Have a good night.

Geocosmic Valentine

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CoralFrequency
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posted October 26, 2007 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What cloud do you people live on? I might move there one day, when I want to be completely oblivious to life as it is. Ignorance may well be bliss..

Let me just reiterate.. You called him for 6 weeks – three times a week (which according to you was not much since he has school/work - so this was you doing the tactful thing).. Further, *he* "acted very vague", all of the 3*6 = 18 times you called him..
What were you doing? Waiting for the 20th phone call, when he'll miraculously change his entire demeanor and act less vague?

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I need some answers.

Here they are: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/008944.html

PS.:edit: wasn't exactly thread related

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Vanny
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posted October 26, 2007 07:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank u very very much i feel better already! :-) I know this wasn't gonna work out but the big issue is i wanna know why... why why?? That's driving me a bit crazy. The thing that makes it so bad for me is that he is the only guy in my life i actually had feelings for right away. That was scary at first and thats the reason why i feel like i feel right now. I know things will get better but he's the only(1st)man in my life who has broke my heart so this is just very new to me. I loved the responses and they do help! You know sometimes you just need to hear it from someone else...

Geocosmic Valentine: special thanks 2 u for taking the time to look at my chart!!

And uh coralfrequency or whatever you like to call yourself go and collect some more pictures and play!! Have fun!! You sound ever more bitter than me!! That also makes me feel good btw so thanksss ;-)

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posted October 26, 2007 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi CoralFrequency,

I'm an Aries and I was almost as naive as Vanny when I was 23, and to give my age away finally, it's 17 years later and you learn and see a lot in that time. She probably won't make these mistakes again. Maybe she will and even that's OK, we do what we do until we learn.

If you look at her chart, you will see that her Venus is in Capricorn which suggests a latent emotional development, they usually come to the romance game late, so in one respect you're right, she doesn't get it, but she has the right to make the mistakes we've all made. Certain values around romance and relationships aren't learned right away. She literally pleaded for answers and I gave it compassionately because there is every indication that she is already in raw pain. There's tons of action going on in her chart around the situation and I'm sure she's going to come out of it just fine.

By the way, his Pluto squares her Venus, and her Mars conjuncts his Venus. Just like what we talked about in the Venus-Pluto obsession thread. This is her experience, it's her time, cut her some slack.

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LeoCat
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posted October 27, 2007 12:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You kick puppies dont you?

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Lucia23
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posted October 27, 2007 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CoralFrequency, I really don't understand your post.

When we feel a deep connection with someone, and an attraction to them, it's natural to badly want the following:
1) To get to be with that person romantically and have them reciprocate our feelings
2) If they seem not to reciprocate our feelings, to either
a. find a way to attract and interest them enough that that changes and/or
b. learn the details of WHY they don't feel something that to us is strong and powerful and/or
c. at the very least, understand more why we are feeling something one-sided (especially if, as in my case with the Scorpio, it's happening for the first time, and we have a long history of positive, two-sided, reciprocal relationships and good intuition about men)
3) To get comfort and constructive help to figure the situation out in one or more of the above ways--either to have a friend help us get to the happy moment where the guy we want takes us into his arms and takes us on a great weekend trip or something, or at the very least to help us pick up the pieces and understand what happened.

I am 33 and not normally obsessive, delusional or deeply immature. I think that the pain of badly wanting some guy who is vague over the phone, and hoping to figure the situation out, is rather universal.

Also--for many of us--for me at least--we're likeliest to be talking to strangers online at out most vulnerable, lonely moments that way. When things are working out, we tend to be out in the actual world, making love or having great meals or just talking, with people we adore.

Vanny knew things wouldn't work out and wanted to know why, or hear some reassuring words. But I also don't think there's anything wrong with helping each other figure out ways to get things to go right! To get things to work with that elusive Pisces or travelling Sadge! What's wrong with that? In my opinion, using astrology to help the lovelorn get what they most want should be one of the main uses for the Lindaland forums!

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posted October 27, 2007 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I absolutley loved your response Geocosmic Valentine.

You're an Aries? High Five

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CoralFrequency
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posted October 27, 2007 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Geocosmic,

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as naive as Vanny when I was 23

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you will see that her Venus is in Capricorn which suggests a latent emotional development

I'm 21 and have both Moon and Mars in Capricorn. I actually thought it suggested growing up too fast.

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She probably won't make these mistakes again.

Judging by some of the women on this site, she will continue to make these mistakes until she turns 30. I strongly hope not though.

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his Pluto squares her Venus, and her Mars conjuncts his Venus. Just like what we talked about in the Venus-Pluto obsession thread.

I can’t look at this from a purely astrological perspective. I don’t think it would be wise, considering the facts.

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She literally pleaded for answers

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she is already in raw pain.

Give me a break. Raw pain? You think this is *raw* pain? Seriously? .. 'Pleading for answers' and dramatizing is the most typical thing you'll find on boards, specially astrology boards..

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I hate begging but please!!

LOL I'll take that sort of line, as *real* emotion (as opposed to attention seeking drama) the day I turn brain-dead.

Vanny,

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go and collect some more pictures and play!!

Is this what you do to get your jollies? I’d actually love to right now.. but I’m busy.


LeoCat,

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You kick puppies dont you?

No, but if I saw a puppy harming itself, and I could have no contact with it whatsoever – except vocally - I’d yell at it until he stopped.

Lucia,

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CoralFrequency, I really don't understand your post.

That’s very interesting to me. I don’t understand certain things either, but I won’t mention them because it might be rude (ruder than what I’ve already said).

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When we feel a deep connection with someone, and an attraction to them, it's natural to badly want the following:

1) To get to be with that person romantically and have them reciprocate our feelings


It’s normal to want them to reciprocate feelings.. but if they don’t - let THEM be, for the love of God.

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2) If they seem not to reciprocate our feelings, to either
a. find a way to attract and interest them enough that that changes and/or
b. learn the details of WHY they don't feel something that to us is strong and powerful and/or
c. at the very least, understand more why we are feeling something one-sided

I don't find this "natural". This is what people do when they don't care about themselves enough to find a person who *does* care back and shows them that.
The healthy reaction to someone not returning 18 of your calls.. or acting evasive, is *moving on* not continuing in a self-depreciative chain - where you are asking a question which you will *never* want to hear an honest answer to.. The question is: "Why?" - "But why? Why doesn't everyone in the world like me? Why are there men and women out there who just want sex? Why did this happen to me of all people? Why isn't the world a different place? Why do some men LIKE other women MORE? Or why do some women like other men more? Why would Kelly marry Andrew and not Jack? Why is he not sexually attracted? Why is he/she ONLY sexually attracted? Etc.."

No one can answer that why. You'll be asking why for the next 10 years, if you go down that path.

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I think that the pain of badly wanting some guy who is vague over the phone, and hoping to figure the situation out, is rather universal.

Universal for whom? Men and women with no self-esteem who don’t want to be with a good person who is right for them and appreciates them, as they are?
Actually it might be universal in Western countries. This is the extent of our daily problems, you’re right.

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To get things to work with that elusive Pisces or travelling Sadge! What's wrong with that?

I'm glad you asked this, because I don't care if they are a Pisces, a Sag, a Scorpio or a Taurus.. The point is - if you call a 20 year old guy 18 times and he acts evasive 18 times.. after you had sex with him (the week you met him).. it's a pretty good hint..

Refusing to let go and chasing, will only injure your self esteem, and hurt you. That’s what’s wrong with it. That it *harms* YOU.. and that you are wasting precious time in your life – on a situation which is obviously not causing you much happiness.
The time varies. For her it’s been a couple of months. For you, I gather it’s been longer.. So it’s quite a bit of TIME in your life when your energies are being directed in a situation that’s hurting you.

Basically Vanny, If he wants to see you, he will call. Trust me, after 18 phone calls.. and the talk you had with him, unless he is mentally retarded, he *does* understand that you are interested. If he doesn’t call – then he isn’t interested. Are you a masochist? You should be with someone who calls back and is interested.

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In my opinion, using astrology to help the lovelorn get what they most want should be one of the main uses for the Lindaland forums!

LOL that's too funny.

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posted October 27, 2007 01:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you guys are both young, probably both pretty attractive, and you both got a litte of what you both wanted...

You apparently want a little more

Sometimes seperating physical attraction from "love" is difficult when your young. (or so I've heard

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posted October 27, 2007 01:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not young and I still can't separate the two.

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Coralfrequency, one of these days you are going to have your first true deep connection with someone sadly this person will not want anything to do with you and then you will understand how it feels.

And, although you are right at the "letting go" you are not very gracious when it comes down to relating a message, we'll remember when you are in that situation, we might even make you eat your words, then again we might not...
But if anyone does you will learn how much it hurts when a person is rude and doesn't understand or have simpathy for the situation.
It would've been nicer if you just didn't say anything even though the actual advice was good... "no he is not interested in her, she needs to move on and concentrate on her life."

But, if you decide to not let your guard down and be as harsh and cold as you seem you are then you will never experience true love which in turn is also sad.

Have a heart!

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posted October 27, 2007 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gotta say ppl, Coral just made the most reasonable point in this thread thus far (and well, we don't exactly see eye to eye most of the time Lol!)

Seriously, Hagling an complicated answer to a quesiton that has a simple explinaiton just seems illogical. He kinda is trying to get a free pass at your feelings yet you still wanna chase him?!?!

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he said he didn't think it would work out but he wanted to see me again?!?!?!

Unless he ment that as being friends, you're obviously gonna end up at the downside of this predicament.

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So typically young male.

Correction; So typically mentally immature.

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posted October 27, 2007 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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one of these days you are going to have your first true deep connection with someone sadly this person will not want anything to do with you and then you will understand how it feels.

although you are right at the "letting go" you are not very gracious when it comes down to relating a message


And one fine day, someone will wish you harm, simply because you have different modes of communicating the same message, and they don't understand you - by saying that in the future a person will treat you badly and in this grim future you will receive no help. Then they will proceed to insinuate that they will seek revenge towards you, for imagined slights. That day you will understand, this isn't a very constructive response.

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It would've been nicer if you just didn't say anything even though the actual advice was good... "no he is not interested in her, she needs to move on and concentrate on her life."

Was that the gracious way I should have put it?

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"then you will understand how it feels."

"It would've been nicer if you just didn't say anything"


If you are willing to reply nicely, or not say anything at all.. then I guess that is because you Do Not understand.. or lack "heart"..

She wants endorsement.. Any nice reply that helps or agrees with her, would be taken as endorsement. Any nice reply that does not agree with her, would be completely ignored. In fact, my reply will probably also be completely ignored, even though it wasn't nice. Do you know why? So she can still like him and believe that he likes her.. Your niceness would be approval.. and you THINK that's perfectly cool right? Yeah why not? Lets endorse a few more months of completely unnecessary masochist behavior.. by being nice.. instead of being HONEST.. since HONESTY sounds a tad mean.

Lets all be nice and look at their charts.. and say that they will live happily ever after.

Why don't we always give people exactly what they want to hear? In fact.. why don't we endorse drugs as well? I'm sure she'd feel much better if she was on E or Cocaine.. She wouldn't be in any emotional pain.. right now.. Long term, those drugs (much like your niceness) would have adverse side effects.. but right now, it would feel much better.

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you will learn how much it hurts when a person is rude and doesn't understand of have sympathy for the situation?

Do you know how much it will hurt her, long term.. if everyone DOES have sympathy and goes along with her story.. and how long it will get dragged on?

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harsh or cold

In my opinion, your approach is much harsher and colder than mine.

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if anyone does you will learn how much it hurts when a person is rude and doesn't understand or have simpathy for the situation.

If you personally are someone.. who would get SO hurt by a stranger's words, it would be a great idea for you to not post anything personal on a public message board. Not everyone in this world is the same. Not everyone is as sympathetic. Not everyone expresses things the same way. If you can't digest other modes of communication, because they seem unsympathetic to you, that's fine. I guess you should protect yourself from those opinions by only discussing personal matters with close friends (the ones you see as sympathetic)

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posted October 27, 2007 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quote: “No, but if I saw a puppy harming itself, and I could have no contact with it whatsoever – except vocally - I’d yell at it until he stopped.”
I think maybe this is the key to CoralFrequency’s post. Although the first post didn’t really come across this way...

We have all made mistakes in our lives and at times it might have been beneficial if someone would have yelled at me and said “WTF are you doing?”
I might not have gone through the heartache of repeating some of the same mistakes and thereby hurting my self-esteem, but then again at 23 I might not have listened because they were lessons I had to learn the hard way.

Why does he not want “me”? Why is he treating “me” this way? What can “I” do to make him love me? The questions go on and on…. And we work ourselves into a frenzy chasing for answers to questions that he won’t or can’t answer. Don’t beat yourself up on this on Vanny…most men at 20 are very self orientated and are looking for instant gratification. We live another day to learn.

The reality of it is; you can’t make anybody want or love you, if you want to maintain who you are inside. And if you mask who you are to have someone love you, you stop loving yourself and start hating the mask.

Listen to your own instincts...you have them because you've already expressed them. Love yourself and don’t put yourself into situations that will cause you harm or damage.

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posted October 27, 2007 10:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coralfrequency
Vanny, girl, he is right, harsh but right.
i cannot for the life of me understand why girls chase guys like this, when it is so clkear they r poison for u. it aint goin anywhere.....
seriously, low self esteem among women turns them into rainbow eyed bunnies and we think guys r jerks.
i m from india i have yet to see this kind of dodge a ball wild goose girl - guy dramas. that is soo western and i m NOT insinuating superiority. why dont girls stand up for themselves, why chase no=good freaks *** jerks in the name of love, thats as good as snorting coke for ur spiritual health .

the fact is there is no right time or person or synastry or composite for the dreanm relationship.we attract what is inside us. we manifest in our lives on a day to day basis what is inside us. period. what is not inside u cannot exist outside u. if u attract jerks who hurt u , dont appreciate u ,thats becoz u dont think much of urself either. u dont think it makes much of a difference if a guy walks all over u coz, u dont deserve better.if u see urself as a weak, helpless victim, u will end up in situation after situaution with jerk after jerk, possibly some of them with fabulous A Grade synastry. Ask VenusDEMilo, hers is a classic on this Board
as a woman it hurts to see a woman being made a fool of, where woman r expected to bed atleats 20 differenrt jerks before the fairy tale happens .when u r raised in a culture that equates womnhood to divinity, u will realise what the American relationship scene looks like. ex- ex-ex-exes ,

fact is fix urself before u post charts asking for advice,hoping to hear if he is the one yadayada.
work on self esteem, childhood issues, parental dynamics , etc, the whole psychological guns,
Believe that u r deserving of nothing less than respect, love and care,
dont hope for the ONE, demand nothing else but the ONE.
when u want something very badly the whole universe conspires to get it for u

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posted October 27, 2007 11:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coral~
Why did you change your post?
The one last night was a nicer one and left me without words because you were kind and articulated your answer in a way I was pleased to see you do have a heart, but maybe sometimes you just like to use the "bad a$$" personality within you to make your point across, something you may loose as the years pass, and when you find out that kindness is a good virtue to have.

But now, I come back to an attacking post, what happened? did you feel so vunerable that you had to take a stand against me? have you ever heard the words "it's ok?"
really! it is ok to be vulnerable (sometimes.
The lesson here is that when we are vulnerable we need to learn from it and move on.

If Vanny is reading any of this she will understand that as many said in different ways , she did fall in love and it was intense but he is not in the same page she is so now she needs to move on, if he starts looking for her without her making any moves then it might lead into something.
But, regardless, "it is ok" it was part of life and the afct that she came here and begged for answer does not make her any less of a person; just like it is ok for you Coral to have a nice post like you had yesterday and it doesn't make you any "weaker".

I am sorry but I am not here to argue and fight with no one.I hope you can understand my point of view.This is not a race to see who is better.

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posted October 27, 2007 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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She wants endorsement.. Any nice reply that helps or agrees with her, would be taken as endorsement. Any nice reply that does not agree with her, would be completely ignored. In fact, my reply will probably also be completely ignored, even though it wasn't nice. Do you know why? So she can still like him and believe that he likes her.. Your niceness would be approval.. and you THINK that's perfectly cool right? Yeah why not? Lets endorse a few more months of completely unnecessary masochist behavior.. by being nice.. instead of being HONEST.. since HONESTY sounds a tad mean.


Sorry Coral, I just went through every post in this thread and saw no one being any less honest than *you* were; just a difference in their delivery of the truth.

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posted October 27, 2007 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know... you gotta give these girls a break. What may seem obvious to us, what we learned from the older and wiser or through our own hard experience hasn't been imparted to them. They don't know "THE RULES" so they get used. They see this shyt in the media and the world at large and they don't have a clue. It's not their fault. Most of them don't even have fathers to teach them about men. I remember my father putting it this way-"A hard d--- has no conscience". He was a very blunt Sag, lol. My older sister told me that too. They told me that BEFORE I was in a situation where I would have to suffer the consequences to learn that ugly fact of life. What I know now is that it's almost NEVER ever a good idea to have sex with a guy early on or without making him work for it. That's not very romantic but it's true. If you don't treat it like something special he won't see it that way. Marriage came to be for a reason.

But let me add that I get irritated with clichet's like all that "he's young, what do you expect", "all men are alike",etc. because it isn't always the case. This is a different generation with different men with different upbringing and socialization. It's true that some things never change and men will be men. But believe me a lot of guys get hurt too. One of the problems with relationships today is that people give up too easy. The road to true love has always been rocky. Sometimes you can and do "win" someone over. That can take years but it happens.

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posted October 27, 2007 01:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CoralFrequency,

You are young and yet so wise !
Kudos to you

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posted October 27, 2007 01:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dear vanny,
i can see both sides to many conflicting view points on your post, and agree partially with both. i cannot give you a "birds eye view" of the past because i myself am young like you(22), but i can at least share with you what i've learned. i am a very emotional person (nearly all water in my chart ;*))and i take EVERYTHING personally. in the recent past i was very hurt by someone and many people gave me a dose of "tough-love" and others babied me. truefully neither changed my ways. i would feel better for a little while (as if it were a drug) and then i would go back to being confused/hurt/angry/etc. i wrote in my journal, i posted online, i asked EVERYONE for advice, i kept going back and forth with the guy, all the "normal" neurotic qualities of a broken heart. i hated when people our age were smug and "new it all" and had "more sense" than me. it just made me feel worse about myself, as if i were a blind idiot with no intuition. one day i had to just stop and breathe. i took a very long bath and re-read some of my favorite books (including the karma section in star signs) i let go of what EVERYONE had said, what I had said/done and tried to see my experience from outside the box. after a long night of being alone with these thoughts, i felt as if it were all to do with karma and that i should release the experience because i have learned and he has (or will) have learned from a lesson that might seem so insignificant to others. so my suggestion would be to go spend time with your "universal- bigger than youself thoughts." and remember, we will all learn the same things....but in much different ways. hope this helps.
love, orangeseablossom

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posted October 27, 2007 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CoralFrequency,

WOW!! You really pulled focus on this thread, talk about drama!! You must really be enjoying this. I hope you are having a good time, you've attracted so much attention. Congratulations kid!!

You say your Moon and Mars are in Capricorn and that it makes you grow up faster? Well, not emotionally and the proof is that you don't sound very grown up to me, that's my opinion and you seem to LOVE opinions but mostly your own. That's OK. But one thing you haven't allowed your Capricorn Moon to do yet, being so young, is teach you how to use your Capricorn wisdom. So far the only thing it allows you to do is freeze up your emotions, then you go out into the world and demand that others freeze up, too. Who in your life taught you that emotions have no value and that they are used to express only drama? Can you tell me why drama is wrong? Can you tell us all what "raw pain" really is? Answer that last question first.

Moon in Capricorn suggests a reigning need to administrate and move projects along, keep it moving, almost workaholic in nature, I bet you are a very hard worker, but it also suggests a mother or parent who wasn't very emotionally demonstrative, someone who didn't honor your emotions and feelings and now you are out in the world, surfin' the net criticizing the emotions of others, not just here but terrorizing others on various forums from what you tell us.

It appears that in your world, emotions and drama have no place, so we should listen to you and stop feeling and being dramatic. OK. Thank God you were here to tell me that. NOT!!!

You thought it wasn't wise to judge this purely on the astrology. What a STUPID thing to deduce when you weren't asked to JUDGE the situation, you were asked to look at the charts. This is an astrological forum where people are trying to learn and understand astrology. Perhaps, if you had looked at the chart you might have seen signatures and patterns that proved your deductions and judgments, and you could have taught everyone here something. Instead you decided that it was not WISE.

Hmmm....

I looked at the chart, O MIGHT WISE ONE, the transits and the Solar Arcs and I could see that this boy is young and did have VERY STRONG FEELINGS for Vanny, not just sexual feelings. I wish that I could see his birth time so that I could tell what house his Sun ruled because Uranus just finished transiting his Sun in Pisces and that is tremendous pressure to rebel in all areas of your life, love life, family life, work life, the whole shebang!! And because he is a Pisces, there was tremendous confusion surrounding his feeling and rebellion.

With the other measurements he had with Vanny, the feelings went both ways. Also, because he is a Pisces, they tend to be martyrs and overly sensitive. There are not many Pisces people who can do what you claim that he did, but your 21 year old wisdom told you different I guess.

If you don't like the all the drama, why do you continue to read these things? Perhaps you are an emotional sadist searching the forums for people to hurt. Perhaps you have so much WISDOM you need to go on the internet and prove how WISE you think you are by beating the emotions out of strangers with you baseball bat of WISDOM.

Well, good luck to you CoralFrequency, although you don't need my dramatically emotional good wishes, you'll do just fine on your own.

Geocosmic Valentine

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