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heart cakes
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posted October 28, 2007 03:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
help me out, y'all..

is bob marks of bobmarksastrologer.com correct in his assessment that saturn in the 7th house means an early marriage that will slowly erode and turn into crappiness, or bitterness or however he puts it? could it not mean stability and cautiousness and/or an interest in mature persons to be in relationship with?

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Azalaksh
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posted October 28, 2007 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hc ~

Those are two *possible* *potentials* of Saturn in the 7th house. I would add that aspects to Saturn are important and what sign(s) and other planet(s) are in the house.
No astrologer is 100% RIGHT about an aspect or interp -- everyone has their own ideas, opinions, knowledge-gained-from-experience. Don't be dismayed or upset -- Astrology isn't a hard science where only one correct answer can be returned for a question
People are different, unique. When we're emotionally immature, we respond differently to situations/stimuli than when we've become emotionally mature.

A favorite quote from Steven Forrest?? http://www.stevenforrest.com/lovehandles.html

To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

Try Liz Greene ("Saturn: A New Look At An Old Devil"), Erin Sullivan, Bil Tierney, or Anne Ortelee (of "Do Your Saturn!" fame) for alternate viewpoints

~ Zala

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted October 28, 2007 04:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Heart Cakes! Your interpretation sounds reasonable to me! I think I may have even seen that somewhere, especially about liking older or more mature SO's. Sorry, but I don't remember where.

Personally, I don't like "doom and gloom" interpretations like that. First of all, we all have FREE WILL! Second, every aspect has a good and bad side to it, imho.

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Sun - Capricorn (10th House)
Moon - Gemini (2nd House)
Mercury - Sagittarius (9th House)
Venus - Aquarius (11th House)
Mars - Aries (12th House)
ASC - Aries

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heart cakes
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posted October 28, 2007 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
woo! thank you so much.

i love that quote. and i love that liz greene book too (though i haven't read it all, including saturn in the 7th).

i am not a fan of overgeneralizing and as such when i see it i worry that perhaps it is generalized for a reason (meaning, i worry it is so likely a possibility that it has to be spoken of in such black and white terms!)

i totally know what you mean though. and, do you think that my thoughts on alternate expressions of saturn in the 7th are good possibilities? can i ask your opinion on that?

thanks!

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heart cakes
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posted October 28, 2007 04:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi purple chick! whew, that is good news, thanks!!

i agree with you on free will 100%. that is why i love astrology, because it seems to, in its acknowledgement OF patterns and places we could go, and tend to get stuck, actually FREE us of those patterns instead of bind us to them. at least, that seems to be its most pure objective and the ideal.

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted October 28, 2007 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree...that is definitely the BEST use of astrology, although I will admit to being a sucker for "definitive answers"! I have to say that it feels good to hear a certain aspect, especially one in synastry, is particularly favorable, blah blah blah! But I always try to take it with a grain of salt, and to remember that it's still WHAT WE MAKE OF THEM! Btw, nice quote from Zala. I have a couple of the Forrest's books and I remember giving a chuckle and a nod when I read that!

Btw, how are things with your cancer guy, Heart Cakes? I indirectly responded to you on Aria's thread.

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Happy Dragon
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posted October 28, 2007 05:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ heart cakes ~
be Liz.G's text on saturn in seventh etc. here ..
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/audiofls.html ~

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GeminiLover75
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posted October 28, 2007 10:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn in the 7th, and *it happened to me*. I met an older man when I was 24 (Jupiter transited my DC and 7th house), and although we never got married we moved in together and stayed that way for five years. It was a very committed relationship. But around the time of my Saturn return it all went to crap and we broke up. He would have stayed together and probably married me, but the breakup was pretty much related to my personal Saturn in 7th/Saturn return psychological makeup. I didn't know much about astrology back then, so I had no idea of my Saturn placement or even that my Saturn return was happening. Basically I had started to feel like my youth had been passing before me and I had committed too young, and that I just needed something more in my life. To this day I feel awful about bringing such heartbreak but we're both still friends and gently moving on. It was very sad.

Other ways that I've experienced Saturn in 7th is that I take relationships seriously, and I seem to get into committed relationships. Also I find that often relationships are hard work for me.

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heart cakes
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posted October 28, 2007 10:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gemini lover, i'm sorry that happened to you. but it is really good you guys are still friends. do you think that you were just too young to know what you wanted (which you learned during/after your return?).. and do you think if you had known about astrology you could have kept your relationship going and somehow reconciled the two?

azalaksh, you said:

"Those are two *possible* *potentials* of Saturn in the 7th house. I would add that aspects to Saturn are important and what sign(s) and other planet(s) are in the house."

could you give me a small example of differing aspects or signs and how it might not play out that way? what if pluto is also in the house? and what if it's actually in the 6th but two degrees off the DC (this expresses in both, right?) aspects are, conjunct uranus, DC, opposite moon, (i know, moon opposite uranus is intense right, but could it be tempered by saturn?), trine mars and sextile mc. thank you, if you have the time for a thought or two..


and wow, i loved that link to steven forrest's article! thanks so much!!

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GeminiLover75
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posted October 29, 2007 01:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm well I think there were lessons learned on both sides. There are times even now where I'm still trying to figure it all out. As for whether or not we could have stayed together, it's so hard to tell. Possibly I might have looked at it as 'just a transit' and waited for it to pass... my past two years would have been *easier* no doubt! I have been forced to go within and it's been a period of soul growth. My life could have been very comfortable and safe, but possibly a bit stagnant for me despite the fact that he is a beautiful person and that we were compatible! Who knows, I might have gotten depressed (I was already heading that way), I might have ended up having serial affairs with other men just to get some excitement. That's not really in me, but for whatever reasons I think it was just time to move on.

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