posted October 30, 2007 10:01 AM            

My Sun is Virgo, but I think that the Virgo might be over-shadowed by other things (especially since it is in Fall in Venus, making it weaker, I think...)

1)I have Scorpio ASC at 5 degrees 29' 37"
Mars in 1st House at 25 degrees 24' 17"
Jupiter 1st House at 8 degress 12' 39", and...
Uranus in 1st house, but in Sagittarius at 1 degree 5' 40

2)I have Cancer Moon at 23 degrees 40' 7'
I have Cancer True Node 10 degrees 54' 46"
My Midheaven is in Cancer at 23 degrees 29' 16"
All of these things are in the 10th House...

3) I have Virgo Sun 20 degrees 7' 47",
P. Fort 9 in Virgo degrees 1' 57" , and
Venus in Virgo 6 degrees 37' 29"
all in 11th House.

(a)Could someone please explain what a Doryphory is in simple language, and how one identifies this on a chart.

(b)Is there a difference between a Stellium and a Doryphory? and explain how/why not.

(c)So, are aforementioned planets dignified, exalted, in Stellium or in Doryphory. And, what does this suggest?

(d) And, if you have similar placements, how is it working for you? Please share your experiences.

My DOB is 13/09/1982, 08:10am; Durban, South Africa.

posted October 30, 2007 03:43 PM            

an example for Mars would be,
in Aries (ruler of)
Capricorn (exalted
Scorpio (co-ruler)
or house 1,10, and 8

your dignities are
Mars/1st
Moon/Cancer

a stellium is 3 or more planets in conjunction/same sign/or close proxemity where the energy is combined or "modified"

edited

posted October 30, 2007 04:30 PM            

So, Jupiter and Venus, and "benefics/malefics" are involved in a Doryphory?
http://www.geocities.com/clarity2020/tuto10.htm

quote:

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If the ascendant is in sidereal Pisces, the whole sign of Pisces serves as the first house (regardless of the rising degree) and the others follow (aries being the second house, taurus the third and so on). The rulers of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses (signs in those houses!) are malefic. If jupiter rules one of those houses, so be it! If the planet also rules a benefic house (1st, 4th, 5th, 7th, 9th, 10th) then its sting is reduced a bit but it still remains a malefic for that horoscope...

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and from: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/doryphory.php

quote:

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A Ptolemaic term describing a planet which serves as a sort of bodyguard or John the Baptist to the Sun, rising shortly before it - either in the same or the contiguous Sign. The doryphory of the Moon similarly rises after it. The best meaning of the word is spearbearer.

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I don't get it.

Definition of luminaries from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminary

quote:

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The luminaries were what traditional astrologers called the two astrological "planets" which were the brightest and most important objects in the heavens, that is,

* the Sun and
* the Moon

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posted October 30, 2007 05:09 PM            

This is not to be confused with combust.
When a planet is too close to the Sun it is termed "combust"

http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/combust.html

quote:

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COMBUST - [COMBUSTION.] A Planet is said to be Combust of the Sun, when in the same Sign where the Sun is in, he is not distant from the Sun eight degrees and thirty minutes, either before or after the Sun; as Jupiter in the tenth degree of Aries

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Right now I'm on my way to bed as I have to work tonight, but I will read up on it and get back to you asap.

In the meantime lets give Rev. Alice an SOS and see if she doesn't have the correct answer.

Or Maybe one of our many talented astrologers will see this and have the answer.

talk to you soon.

posted October 31, 2007 04:36 PM            

I edited my previous post because it was wrong.

Doryphory is an ancient term used to delineate the Luminaries. It's main purpose is to tell you it's potential or ability to achieve status in life.

All positive aspects to the Sun and Moon as well as all dignities fall under Doryphory.
This includes angular placements (except for the Moon in the 10th house) which is in detriment but still a powerful placement.

Hard aspects (coupled with the good) show areas where growth is required to achieve status.

It is important to remember the correlation of the Sun/Father and Moon/Mother.
Many times a hard aspect to the luminaries will show a slow start (in achieving your potential) because of the life you are born into. An example would be the death of a parent while you are a child. This would show a hardship and require adjustments.
(do you see where I'm going with this?)
you can't always help what you are born into but you can make the best of it or in this case a surviving parent can still impart high expectations and a formula to achieve (through positive aspects)
this is where you would overcome and fulfill your potential.

This is not difficult to understand, but if I haven't explained it to your understanding let me know and we'll work through example.

posted October 31, 2007 04:48 PM            

Yes, I think I understand the way you explain it. I am afraid, the ancient way was a little Higher Grade for me.

Thank you for your time.

Thanking me is very gracious of you because... well... I suck at this at the moment, but I am glad that we both got something out.

So, now, I will look at my chart and try to apply what you have discovered.

Thanks a mil.

posted October 31, 2007 05:16 PM              

I just wanted to add, it is more complex than that. There is an excellent series of articles and a free course on planetary dignity here: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/digintro.html

By my calculations, your planetary dignities weigh in as:

Sun -6, peregrine
Moon +6
Merc +5
Venu +4
Mars +5
Jupi +2
Satu +7

posted October 31, 2007 05:33 PM            

I think that maybe in my case, the Sun's lack of representation has made me messy instead of a neat-freak... but yes, I can be fussy and perfectionist, but I usually don't act upon it.