posted October 30, 2007 10:02 PM              

Most ascendant descriptions (if not all) only describe the ascendant appearance in regards to Caucasians.

So, how would ascendants affect those of other ethnicities? For example, Leo rising is always thought to create blondes, but how does that work with say, those of African descent or Asian descent? Capricorn rising is thought to make the native's hair corkscrew curly, but what if the native is of an ethnicity where curly hair just doesn't happen?

I'm half-Caucasian and half-Iranian. My Gemini rising is supposed to have given me light eyes and soft, fine hair but I was born with brown eyes and thick hair.

Thoughts...

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posted October 31, 2007 03:40 AM              

Also, I think that we need to move past what I would call a largely ethnocentric form of astrology...

posted October 31, 2007 06:48 AM            

For instance, interpretations would say that Pisces has blue eyes.. but an African person won't 99% of the time have blue eyes..
But maybe in comparison to an African Taurus or Scorpio, African Pisceans have lighter eyes..

Basically, within the realms of genetic possibility, their eyes will be as light as is physically and genetically possible.

Whereas if a Scorpio person was born to the exact same parents (as the Pisces), their eyes might be as dark as genetically possible..

posted October 31, 2007 10:32 AM            

i've often thought of this myself.

posted October 31, 2007 10:48 AM            

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For example the Libra rising again. An aspect of which may be to 'appear Venusian'. What is considered 'Venusian' may differ between cultures and time periods; ideals of beauty change over time and are not necessarily the same in different countries. All of these things should be considered.

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posted October 31, 2007 02:27 PM              

hot topic, I'm trying to guess an asc.

posted October 31, 2007 02:54 PM              

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But people from Italy or Spain or Greece are "dark" as is.

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For example the Libra rising again. An aspect of which may be to 'appear Venusian'. What is considered 'Venusian' may differ between cultures and time periods; ideals of beauty change over time and are not necessarily the same in different countries. All of these things should be considered.

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posted October 31, 2007 04:17 PM              

GeminiLover: Oh yes, definitely people can appear Venusian without being blonde. My friend whose chart is up on a thread here is brunette with dark eyes but I mistook her for Libra rising because she has dimples, fair skin, bright eyes, very pretty. But her ASC is Leo rising in the last decan (which also gives her some Virgoan qualities... organized, not extravagant with trying to get people's attention since it just comes naturally) What makes her Leo to me (even though she isn't blonde) is her grace, her strength and her very strong pride. And her hair is really focal; slight wave, fine, but not thick, and lots of it. Also grows really fast. Even when it's cut short there is something about the hair.

I also think what you said about synchronity in the other thread is interesting. Traditional descriptions tend to confuse me because they cater to white-skinned folk. If they ditched the precise coloring descriptions and focused more on overall appearance like characteristics of hair, for ex, eyebrows, teeth, it would help.

Astralmuse: Thanks for the link!

SagSun: "Soulful dreamy eyes" definitely helps more than "blue eyes" because any rising can have that coloring. So right.

CoralFrequency: Interesting. I've thought about that, too. My Pisces sun friend who is Asian doesn't have a typical Pisces face really but she has really nice eyes. Long lashes, big eye shape, and there is a nice brightness to them. I wouldn't say they're light just by looking at her but she does possess a nice pair.

Can you give examples of how facial Expression can manifest one's rising sign? I'd like to discuss this.

alanabelle86: Also interesting. But I think you would have to be a very good astrologer to be able to gauge someone's rising by the "look" in their eyes. Coool.

twentytwenty: Can you tell me what physical Aquarian traits are? What was unmistakable about your friend's appearance? Was your friend Aquarius rising or Sun? That sign definitely is the most confusing for me.

comica23: Interesting about the curly hair. Are Virgo risings known for curly hair? How is their hair different from Leo or Libra rising?

joy: Can you elaborate? I don't understand your question.

tuxedomeow: Blue people?? Who are they?

Leo rising in a person's demeanor, in my experience, depends entirely on the rest of their chart. If your natal placements are really strong as is, a Leo rising can add some really strong characteristics on top of what's already there. Hence, a really "in your face" person even if they aren't doing anything to you.

On the other hand, you can have Leo rising in a fairly weak chart. For example, let's say that a Virgo sun with Pisces moon has Leo rising... this could really help them out with appearing confident in certain situations. Leo is strong and as rising, can "lift" the rest of the chart. They will be more outgoing and outspoken than a Virgo-Pisces with Virgo rising, for instance.