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darkdreamer
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posted November 04, 2007 06:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I wonder if you maybe are in the mood to do a little exercise in synastry with me, or rather lead me through my exercise?

I have gathered all those details, but I somehow still feel uncertain how to put it all together. That is the reason I thought of doing an exercise, synastry-wise.

Well, I recently developed a liking for someone, I never thought I could ever like (and it`s really a liking, an affinity, but not a "crush", not an "infatuation" or "love"; I just am a little surprised that I developed this kind of sympathy for him), so I thought his and my chart could be a good example to do this exercise (even though we most likely are not soulmates or even meant to meet on a deeper level than that "liking").

Unfortunately his birthtime isn`t known, so no houses.

His chart:
Sun: 16° Leo
Moon: 06° - 21° Virgo
Mercury: 25° Leo
Venus: 11° Pisces
Mars: 26° Taurus
Jupiter: 24° Aries
Saturn: 26° Cancer
Uranus: 29° Libra
Neptune: 09° Sagittarius
Pluto: 07° Libra
NN: 27° Scorpio

Chiron: 28° Aries
Karma: 21° Leo
Valentine: 13° Sagittarius
Amor: 20° PIsces
Juno: 24° Cancer
Eros: 06° Scorpio
Psyche: 06° Gemini
Siva: 18° Scorpio
Kaali: 01° Virgo
Osiris: 20° Pisces
Isis: 19° Taurus
Lilith: 02° Pisces
Cupid: 15° Virgo

Draco:
Sun: 19° Sagittarius
Mercury: 28° Sagittarius
Venus: 14° Capricorn
Mars: 29° Virgo
Jupiter: 27° Leo
Saturn: 29° Scorpio
Uranus: 2° Pisces
Neptune: 12° Aries
Pluto: 10° Aquarius
NN: 27° Scorpio

Chiron: 01° Virgo
Karma: 24° Sagittarius
Valentine: 16° Aries
Amor: 23° Cancer
Juno: 27° Scorpio
Eros: 9° PIsces
Psyche: 9° Libra
Siva: 21° PIsces
Kaali: 4° Capricorn
Isis: 22° Virgo
Osiris: 23° Cancer
Lilith: 5° Cancer
Cupid:18° Capricorn


My Chart:

Sun: 26° Sagittarius
Moon: 17° Aquarius
Mercury: 25° Sagittarius
Venus: 6° Capricorn
Mars: 5° Sagittarius
Jupiter: 11° Pisces
SAturn: 17° Cancer
Uranus: 1° Scorpio
Neptune: 10° Sagittarius
Pluto: 9° Libra
ASC: 7° Sagittarius
MC: 5° Libra

Chiron: 20° Aries
Karma: 16° Gemini
Valentine: 27° Scorpio
Amor: 2° Sagittarius
Juno: 17° PIsces
Eros: 21° Cancer
Psyche: 24° Aquarius
Siva: 15° Scorpio
Kaali: 13° Gemini
Isis: 8° Capricorn
Osiris: 8° Capricorn
Lilith: 28° Aquarius
Cupid: 20° Leo

Draco:
Sun: 16° Aries
Moon: 7° Gemini
Mercury: 15° Aries
Venus: 26° Aries
Mars: 25° PIsces
Jupiter: 1° Cancer
SAturn: 7° Scorpio
Urnaus: 21° Aquarius
Neptune: 00° Aries
Pluto: 29° Capricorn
ASC: 27° Pisces
MC: 24° Capricorn

Chiron: 10° Leo
Karma: 6° Libra
Valentine: 17° Pisces
Amor: 22° Pisces
Juno: 7° Cancer
Eros: 11° Scorpio
Psyche: 14° gemini
Siva: 5° PIsces
Kaali: 3° Libra
Isis: 28° Aries
Osiris: 28° Aries
Lilith: 18° Gemini
Cupid: 10° Sagittarius

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darkdreamer
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posted November 04, 2007 07:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Applying IQ`s rules:

Rule 1:
There are no exact conjunctions or trines to my ASC. But his Pluto is exactly trine my DSC (I still think the DSC as well as the opposition are important, too).

But there are some interesting trines in the DRaco`s.

My dr ASC:
trine his Saturn
trine his dr Saturn
trine his NN*
(trine his dr Juno*)

My dr DSC:
conjunct his dr Mars


I don`t know, do those count?


Rule 2:
His Sun opposite my Moon
His Saturn trine my Valentine
His Mars opposite my Valentine
his NN conjunct my Valentine*

Draco:
HIs Sun trine my dr Sun*
his dr Mars conjunct my dr DSC
his dr Mars trine my dr Pluto*
his dr Saturn conjunct my VAlentine
his Pluto trine my dr Karma
his dr Karma trine my dr Venus
his dr Valentine conjunct my dr Sun*
his dr Karma conjunct my Sun

I guess, rule 2 at least is fulfilled.


There are also some interesting double whammies in natal and Draco.

natal:
his NN conjunct my Valentine*
his Valentine conjunct my NN
- I guess this might be the most important one

His Mercury trine my Mercury*

His Mars square my Psyche
his Psyche opposite my Mars

his Eros sextile my Isis
his Isis trine my Eros

his Eros sextile my Osiris
his Osiris sextile my Eros

his Siva conjunct my Siva

his Lilith square my Mars
his Mars square my Lilith

his Lilith trine my Uranus
his Uranus trine my Lilith

his Cupid square my Karma
his Karma conjunct my Cupid

In the Draco there are a few less:

his dr Sun opposite my Karma
his dr Karma conjunct my Sun

his dr Mercury conjunct my Mercury

his Amor conjunct my dr Amor

his Cupid opposite my dr Valentine
his Valentine conjunct my dr Cupid


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venusdeindia
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posted November 04, 2007 07:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
. But his Pluto is exactly trine my DSC
.......................................

Valid
.......................................

My dr ASC:
trine his Saturn
trine his dr Saturn
trine his NN*
(trine his dr Juno*)

I don`t know, do those count?
..........................................
yes, as normal synastry.read draco just like normal synastry.

...........................................

his NN conjunct my Valentine*
his Valentine conjunct my NN
- I guess this might be the most important one

...........................................

ofcourse it is but it is a spiritual potential more than anything. always remember that.

..................................
his dr Sun opposite my Karma
his dr Karma conjunct my Sun
..................................

u might have been male family memebers in a previous life, father or brother figures.
i have dada's draco karma bang on my draco sun.

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darkdreamer
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posted November 04, 2007 10:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Venus de India,


..........................................
yes, as normal synastry.read draco just like normal synastry.
...........................................
So, if I have a Venus-Mars-conjunction in the Draco`s, it counts just like normal synastry?


".................................
his dr Sun opposite my Karma
his dr Karma conjunct my Sun
..................................

u might have been male family memebers in a previous life, father or brother figures."
So, because it is the Sun it`s a male figure? If it was for example Venus-Karma-dw, then it would be more sign of a love in a previous life?

HOwever, father-figure makes sense. But I always thought brother would be more a Mercury-symbol, or am I wrong?

I have another synastry here, inw hich there is an interesting pattern between Mercury and eros, Atlantis and ASC, Karma, NN.
It`s the man that made me totally crazy, sometimes does it even today.

The pattern is following:

His MErcury trine my Atlantis (0)
his Atlantis trine my Mercury (1)

his Eros trine my Atlantis (1)
his Atlantis square my Eros (3)

his Eros opposite my dr Karma (1)
his Karma opposite my der Eros (2)

his dr Karma conjunct my Mercury (3)
his Mercury opposite my dr Karma (2)

his dr Atlantis conjunct my Atlantis (0)

his dr Atlantis conjunct my ASC (0)
my dr Atlantis (probably) conjunct his ASC (2)

his MErcury trine my ASC (1)
his Eros trine my ASC (0)

his Mercury trine my NN 82)
his Eros trine my NN (3)
his dr Atlantis conjunct my NN (2)

his dr Venus opposite my Karma (2)
his Karma trine my Venus (2)

Neglecting that Mercury rules both our Descendants, there is still a definite strong pattern between Mercury and Eros to Karma and Atlantis.
I`ve always interpreted that that we may have known each other in many previous lifetimes, and that we have been brother and sister or even friends once, but that this relationship, which should have been a platonic one (Mercury), was also loaded with erotic overtones (Eros) - maybe a friendship that transformed into an affair?

What do oyu think? Am I interpreting this right or wrong?

However, if Mercury doesn`t symbolize a brother-figure, what does it symbolize then?

DD


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venusdeindia
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posted November 05, 2007 10:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, if I have a Venus-Mars-conjunction in the Draco`s, it counts just like normal synastry?

ans: yup
might have been male family memebers in a previous life, father or brother figures."
So, because it is the Sun it`s a male figure? If it was for example Venus-Karma-dw, then it would be more sign of a love in a previous life?

ans: yup

Am I interpreting this right or wrong?

ans: u r probably right. but moistly is that what u feel ?

Mercury doesn`t symbolize a brother-figure, what does it symbolize then?
ans: even sun, sun stands for the men in ur life, inc. brothers

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darkdreamer
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posted November 06, 2007 11:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus de India,

"ans: u r probably right. but moistly is that what u feel ?"

May I write a personal mail on that topic, just in case you`re interested. If not just say no.
But in case you want to hear more about it (and I`d like to hear some of your insights on my experiences), you could write to me at Sulpicia@yahoo.com, so I can send you a mail.

DD

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Diandra23
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posted November 08, 2007 05:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

DD.
I hope you dont mind if I post here the new sinastry:8mOON kindly gave me the exact degrees and coordinates of my AC - So finally now i am able to trust completely on the final result -what do you think? Do the rulles apply for us also?

OK! I saw everything concernign the natals and Dracos.

Here we go: ( IQUNK or Venus, if you come across,please take a quick look to see )

Rule 1:
There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or exact trine of
Ascendant of either person to either of: Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus, North
Node, Saturn, Pluto, Karma, Valentine and Amor.
Exact means 1 degree either way or 2 degree orb to the max.

My AC trine his Valentine ( 2º47´) is this accepted?
My AC conj his Mercury(ruler of his 12th) 0º
My AC conj his Psyche(0º)
My AC conj his Adonis - My ADonis skuare his AC(0º)
My DSC conj His MC (2º7´)- my Draco IC conj his DSC(3º)
My DSC trine his Vertex(1º8´)
My AC trine his Vesta(0º)/Lancelot(0º)
My MC conj his D.Saturn(0),D.Pluto(3),D Nept(1)
My Draco IC conj his Saturn(0º)
mY Draco AC conj his Lust(1)
My Draco AC trine his D Sapprho(0º),his Ganesa(1º)
My Draco AC skuare his Draco AC(1º)
My Draco MC trine his D Eros(1)/D Ceres(0)/D Uranus(0)

My IC trine his Amor(1)
My IC conj his Part Lovers(0)
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Rule 2:
There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or trine of Sun, Moon,
Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma with the other's Sun, Moon, Venus,
Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma.
- his sun trine my karma(1)
- my sun trine his kiron(2)
- his moon trine my NN(3)/con my Ceres(0)/trine my Vesta(1)
- My Moon trine his venus(3)
- My Venus trine his Juno(0)
- My Mars trine his VX(2)/opos his Vesta(0)
- His Saturn trine my NN(1)/Vesta(3)
- Our Plutos conj (we´re almost same age)

Dracos:

His Draconic Sun conjuncts my Isis ( 2º)
His Draconic Amor conjunts my D Venus(2)
His Draconic Venus conjunct my Vesta(3º);
His Draconic DC conjuncts my Destiny (0º
Drac.Venus(2º);
His Draconic Moon conjuncts my Kaali (3º)
His Draconic Osiris/isis conujunct my Love(1º)
His Draconic Kaali conjuncts my
Osiris(0º)
His Drac. Mars conjuncts my Venus(2º) and my Drac Psyche(0)
My Drac. Sun conjuncts his kiron(1º);
My Draconic venus conjunct his Drac Amor(2º) - DW
My Draconic Osiris conjuncts
his moon ( 2º)
My Draconic Kaali conjunxts his PART of Fate(2º);
My Draconic Psyche conjuncts his Destiny (0º)

HIS:

Drac Sun trines my pluto (1º)
Drac Venus trines my Juno(3º)/trines my Destiny(3º)
Drac DC conjunts my Destiny (0º)/trines my Osiris (1º)/trines my NN (1º)
Drac Psyche opposes my IC (3º)/
trines my Saturn(2º);
Drac Karma opposes my Union(1º)/trines my Drac Sun (1º); trines my Love (1º);
Drac Valentine opposes my Sun ( 2º); trines my Kaali (1º)
Drac Osiris trines my Drac. Sun(1º); trines my Draconic Karma(3º); trines my Draconic Vertex(2º);trines my Moon ( 3º); -DW
Drac Isis trines my Drac. Sun(0º); trines my Draconic Karma(2º); trines my Draconic Vertex(1º)

MY

Drac Moon trines his ven/ma midpoint(1º)
Drac Venus opposes his sun/moon mid. (3º); trines his Sun (2º)
Drac Valentine trines his Draconic Juno(1º);
Drac Amor opposes his Drac Sun (2º); trines his Destiny(3º); trines his Kaali(1º)
Drac Osiris opposes his Kaali (2º); trines his Saturn (2º);
Drac Isis opposes his Sun (1º); trines his Mars (0º)
Drac Kaali conj his POM(0)



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darkdreamer
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posted November 09, 2007 09:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diandra,

you`re welcome to share as much data as you want.


You posted a long list, and I think all those aspects are important, but the rules are there to make a "priority-list", to see the most intense and important interconnection.
So, I actually would cut the orb quite short (just with a little allowance more than 2°, but not 3°- even though of course 3° aspects are still be felt) and I would use the mentioned planets; but I actually would add the DSC and IC to them, especially the DSC, which is so important in relationshps, and maybe even the Vertex-axis.
I`m considering using oppositions, too, but am not sure about this.

The thing is, if we use so many planets and asteroids and the Draconics, we will always find connections with anyone.
But it`s important in a first step to determine, if the cores of the personality are in tune, and therefor we have to look at the main players and Valentine and Karma. I think especially connections with Moon, Sun, ASC, DSC, IC and (Vertex) are important, here. That`s where the music plays, so to speak.

But after we have analysed this, the other aspects come into play.
For example: I posted some aspects with that actor in another thread, and his Sun is conjunct my Isis and Osiris.

Well, I think this conjunction may be improtant for several reasons:
1. the conjunction of his Sun to my Isis / Osiris is exact (0°)
2. there is a multiple conjunction of his Sun, my Venus and my Isis and Osiris; so two main planets are involved for both of us.
3. it seems to transfer even into the DRaconics. His draconic Isis is conjunct his Moon; his Isis / Moon is opposite my Venus / Isis / Osiris. So again, the Isis-Osiris-connection is tied to two main planets (Moon and Venus).

But if, for example, there was only a single, isolated Isis-Osiris-conjunction without connection to the main planets, I think I wouldn`t consider it as meaningful.

"My AC trine his Valentine ( 2º47´) is this accepted?"
Hmm, it surely is felt as an aspect, but for an exact aspect it`s a tad wide. I think I would consider it as an important aspect, but not as fulfilling rule 1, or only weakly fulfilling the rule. (I don`t cut the aspect at 2°01, but 2°47 is rather 3° than 2°)

"My DSC trine his Vertex(1º8´)"
I definitely think this is an important one.

"My Draco IC conj his Saturn(0º)"
important, too. It seems you have quite some family-karma.

"his sun trine my karma(1)"
Jup.


"His Saturn trine my NN(1)"
Jup.

"- Our Plutos conj (we´re almost same age)"
I wouldn`t consider it. I don`t even consider the SAturn-Pluto-aspect, unless it is tied to personal planets or angles.


"His Drac. Mars conjuncts my Venus(2º"
Ah, that sounds like a nice juicy one.


"My Draconic venus conjunct his Drac Amor(2º) - DW"
So much love!


"Drac Sun trines my pluto (1º)"
Very intense.

"Drac DC trines my NN (1º)"
Maybe it is your destiny to have a relationship with him?


"Drac Venus trines his Sun (2º)"
Affection and love.

Since I`ll be seeing musicman (A) tomorrow, I had a look at his and my chart. And yes, we have a lot of Isis-Osiris-action going on between us, including a Moon-Isis-dw, his Isis conjunct my NN and ASC and such things, but I limited myself to the two rules:


rule 1:

his Mars trine my DSC (2,5° - so weakly)
his dr Saturn trine my DSC
his dr Pluto trine my ASC
his dr Venus trine my dr ASC


rule 2:

his dr Sun trine my Saturn
his dr Sun trine my dr Valentine
his Moon trine my Sun
his Moon conjunct my dr Venus
his dr Venus conjunct my Valentine*
his dr Venus trine my dr Mars
his dr Venus trine my dr IC
his dr Moon trine my dr Vertex
his Venus trine my dr Antivertex*
his Mars conjunct my Pluto*
his dr Mars tirne my Sun
his dr Mars tirne my dr Venus
his Saturn trine my dr IC
his dr Saturn trine my Pluto
his dr Saturn trine my dr Karma
his Pluto trine my Antivertex
his dr Pluto trine my Mars*
his dr Pluto trine my IC*
his Valentine conjunct my dr Sun
his Karma trine my Mars
his Karma trine my IC
his dr Karma trine my Moon
his dr Karma conjunct my Karma

There are even some dw`s:
Sun / Valentine
Venus / Mars
Mars / Pluto
Karma / Karma

DD

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Diandra23
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posted November 09, 2007 04:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD

hMMM you must be feeling so nervous - i totally forgot that it was tomorrow one of the big days hihihi

you also seem to have such karma with the guy - the saturn/DSC is also promissing as it is mine Dr DC/NN..hihih

Really the aspects youve listed with him are so beautiful look at that Valen/Venus;Moon/Sun;Venus/Mars ( juicy for you too..);Saturn/karma and Karma/IC and also karma/karma( GOSH )

Promise me that tomorrow you will try hard to talk to him directly,do whatever you feel you must

Enjoy the opportunity you have to be there DD!

Yes i have somuch dificulty on cutting aspects..cause i really think they must be important ( or i want them to be hihih)

I totally understood what you said about a priority list and see patterns that appear in both charts.

For eaxmple about Isis/OSIRS i listed them ( even not being at IQ´s list) cause they are very interlinked in both our charts:

his Isis and Osiris trine my Sun (0º/1º)
His Isis and Osiris trine my Juno(2º/0º)
My Isis opose his Juno(0º)
My Osiris trine his Amor(2º)

Dracos
His Draco Sun conj my Isis
His Draco Osiris trines my Draco Sun(1º)
Osiris-Moon DW
His draco Isis trines my Draco Sun(0º)

My Draco Isis oposes his Sun(1º)/trine his Mars

So it also seems there´s an important pattern here isnt it?

I found also in parallels/contraparallels:

- hsi Amor contraparalell my AC(1º18´)
-his Psyche is parallel my AC(1º03´)
- hsi Pluto is contraparalell my AC(0º7´)..
- his Venus is contraparalell my AC(1º9´)
- his Saturn is paralell my AC(2º0´)-these last 2 are too wide to be counted i think :P

- My Valentine is paralell his AC(0º0´8)
- My Karma is paralell his AC(0º0´5)
- My Uranus is contraparalell his AC(1º2´)

( maybe i did this wrong..i looked up the astro tabels and saw if it were S=N contra or S=S n=N parallell : if his AC is 20º26N then my 20º18´N Valentine is parallel?)

And:
- my 8thcusp conj his karma(0º)
- my 12thcusp conj his Amor(2º)

But overall, do you think our sinastry fulfills IQ´s rules? ( my other AC conjuncted his sun in 0º so it perfectly fullfield..but now everything changed.)

You know some conections between some of his asteroids with my AC seem to fit us..

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