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Diandra23
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posted November 11, 2007 06:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!

Since i saw Nicole Kidman´s movie about this couple i had the feeling they might have been pretty closed spirits - encarnated to help one another and instill creativity into their world through their love.

I know it seemed an unusual love story,pretty much with highs and lows,and as she suffered of bipolar disease ( not yet diagnosed that time) could have made their life together misunderstood by other by the mood swings - but yet-never ended until she committed suicide.

Before that she wrote this note to her husband :

"I feel certain that I am going mad again. I feel we can't go through another of those terrible times. And I shan't recover this time. I begin to hear voices, and I can't concentrate. So I am doing what seems the best thing to do. You have given me the greatest possible happiness. You have been in every way all that anyone could be. I don't think two people could have been happier 'til this terrible disease came. I can't fight any longer. I know that I am spoiling your life, that without me you could work. And you will I know. You see I can't even write this properly. I can't read. What I want to say is I owe all the happiness of my life to you. You have been entirely patient with me and incredibly good. I want to say that — everybody knows it. If anybody could have saved me it would have been you. Everything has gone from me but the certainty of your goodness. I can't go on spoiling your life any longer. I don't think two people could have been happier than we have been"

Their dates are:

Virginia:January 25,1882
Leonard: November 25,1880

Still dont know the times of birth unfortunatelly so the charts cannot be as accurate as they should..

Ive chosen a 12:00 hour randomly for him but still their chart shows important bonds

Not lookint to his Moon in tu~ight, and not to his AC also we got:

Suns in sextile(1º)
Moon trine NN - DW!this is very sweet aspect
Venus trine Saturn - good for love
Venus trine Psyche(0º) -DW
vENUS TRINE Nep/kiron/ - Venus trine Pluto
One´s Mars conj SN - others Psych conj SN
NN conj KARMA! and JUNO
Saturn/VX DW
Venus-juno conj...and other a skuare-DW!
Her Moon conj his Saturn
His KARMA trine her AC ( fulfill IQ´s 1st)
His AMOR conj her AC

tHEY HAVE in 3ºORB ALLOWANCE..3 CINDERELLA LINKAGES!! Ive never seen a chart with so many..

I Strongly feel that if we look at their Dracos there will be another amount of karma and shared destinies in each other ..


What do you think?


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EighthMoon
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posted November 11, 2007 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting thread, DD! You know interps aren't my strong point, but since you have their info in your Astro, would you mind putting up their composite?

Very atypical couple...so it's an interesting study!

8th

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Diandra23
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posted November 11, 2007 06:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is their composite - look at the ammount of trines there..

Sun trine Mras/Jup/Saturn
Moon trine Valentine
Mercury Trine Mars/Sat/Uranus/Neptune
Venus Trine Mars/Uranus/Neptune/Pluto


Not only they have a GRAND TRINE as have Venus/mERC conjunct
Moon conj the IC
Sun conj MC conj Merc
VX conj DSC
Valentine in the 7th oposing Saturn
4 CINDERELLA LINKAGES plus more 2 Kiron Linkages !
AMOR conj AC and NN trine AMOR
pSYCH TRINE karma
VALENTINE trine Moon

Isnt this lovely or what?

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EighthMoon
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posted November 11, 2007 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But ya can't look at houses, or the AC/DC without knowing thier birth times, right?

Maybe someone with lots of experience could rectify the houses based on their history. I'm thinking that she may have had a lot of 12th house stuff going on...

Thanks for posting the composite, Di!

I'll come back and ponder it later!

8th

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Diandra23
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posted November 11, 2007 06:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

8Moon!! you know what?
i posted the composite right before you asked it hihihi-seems we are also in tune concerning intuition

Yup i love this couple since i knew their story!

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Green Fairy
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posted November 11, 2007 09:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got their birthdates wrong

V. Woolf : January 25, 1882
Leonard : November 25, 1880

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Diandra23
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posted November 12, 2007 04:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG youa re right hihihi

when i come from the store i will do their chart again!

Thanks for seing that - as it was yesterday later night i was a little slippy so i put their days wrong...what an embarassment!

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Green Fairy
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posted November 12, 2007 05:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At least you didn't read the title as "Virginia Woolf and Leonard - a SM [as in sadomasochistic] relationship" as i did last night

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Diandra23
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posted November 12, 2007 09:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Green Fairy


You have a dirty mind hihihihi

At least that way i got the attention to the thread !

Ok now all is edited

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vesta-sister
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posted November 12, 2007 11:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
astrodatabank has her time of birth listed
as 12:15 pm.

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Diandra23
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posted November 12, 2007 05:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Vesta

I only missed for 15 minutes hihihi - and Leonard isnt he listed? I guess we can work with an estimate no?

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EighthMoon
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posted November 13, 2007 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The eyes of others our prisons; their thoughts our cages."

"On the outskirts of every agony sits some observant fellow who points."

"It is the nature of the artist to mind excessively what is said about him. Literature is strewn with the wreckage of men who have minded beyond reason the opinions of others."

"It is far harder to kill a phantom than a reality."

~Virginia Woolf

You know I'm not great at interps, Diandra, but before you posted the chart (Virginia's birthchart) I kept thinking 12th house and Uranus. Interesting!

8th

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Diandra23
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posted November 13, 2007 09:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im gonna surelly buy some of her books!

I loved so much those quotes 8Moon- i feel somehow conected to hem - i too want so much my writtings to be understood by others.

OMG - you were so right!
on 12th she has

- Moon
-Saturn
-uranus
-kiron
-Jupiter
-pluto

t´s loaded...no wnder she saied what that..12th house is a dificult one to bear with so many personal planets there..

But she also had a wonderful placement - Valentine conj her NN. IQ said that few people have this in their natals and it means that person will absolutely find her true love in this life - I think it was true in ther case of when she found her Guardian Angel Leonard.

With her Sun in Aqua and Aries Moon she also could feel very limited and private of her freeness spirit in that century she lived-women were seen as so much little than they were

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bluegreyeyes
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posted November 13, 2007 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm born on Jan 25th too. A little later though

Our asc/moon are switched...I'm aqua / gem / aries...

I didn't know she was bipolar. How sad.

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*Christina*
Aquarius SUN
Gemini MOON
Aries ASC

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venusdeindia
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posted November 14, 2007 01:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diandra, great couple u have chosen to analyse
do their draco, u might find great stuff

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Diandra23
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posted November 14, 2007 03:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thnaks Venus

Here we go to the Dracos:

His draco

Leonard

Sun 6 pisces
Moon 11´7 sag
Merc 2 pisces
Vénus 10´31 aries
Mars 26´45 aqua
Saturn 22 aries
Neptune 15 leo
Pluto 0 virgo
Kiron 17 leo
Juno 6´20 aqua
Valentine 23´41 sag
Amor 10´2 virgo
Karma 15´41 cap
Osiries 13´37 gem
Psyche 7´55 virgo
Isis 8´55 libra
Eros 18´2 aries
Destiny 23´4 aqua

VIRGINIA

Sun 28´17 scorp
Moon 18´7 aqua
Merc 10´51 sag
Vénus 21´52 scorp
Mars aries 20´10
Saturn 28´40 aqua
Neptune 6´34 pisces
Pluto 20´11 pisces
Kiron 10´24 pisces
Juno 28´18 libra
Valentine 27´46 virgo
Amor 8´23 sag
Karma 22´55 libra
Osiries 0´7 gem
Psyche 2´1 cancer
Isis 18´13 cancer
Eros 3 libra
Destiny 29´12 libra
AC 3´16 ARIES
IC 28´42 TAURUS

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Diandra23
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posted November 17, 2007 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I finally had time to look on this with more attention:

DRACOS

Leo´s Sun conj V´s Neptune
Leo´s Moon conj V´s Merc and oposes Amor
Leo´s Venus trine V´s Merc;V´s Amor
Leo´s Mars conj V´s Saturn, Juno.Trine her karma and Destiny
Leo´s Saturn conj V´s Mars. Opposes V´s Karma ( here it is)
Leo´s Neptune oposes V´s Moon
Leo´s Chiron oposes V´s Moon,
Leo´s Juno trine´s V´s Eros
Leo´s Valentine trine´s V´s Mars
Leo´s Amor conj V´s Kiron
Leo´s Karma oposes V´s Ísis.
Leo´s Osíris oposes V´s Mars.
Leo´s Psyche oposes V´s Kiron/Neptune
Leo´s Destiny trines V´s karma

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