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Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted November 13, 2007 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know there is a thread on this but Im not sure if we had actual charts of gay people.. so Im posting charts of Gay men to see what is prominent in their charts. and also my friend doesn think homosexuality is in the stars..

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I will get another one soon.

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posted November 13, 2007 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ooops..


try again.


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posted November 13, 2007 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First thing I notice is Affliction with Moon and the outer planets as well as Venus with the outer planets..

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posted November 13, 2007 05:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have soo many gay friends and one thing very prominent is moon and uranus suare oppoisiton or conjunction. They almost all have moon conjunct an outer planet and the ones who are mentally effected have pluto or saturn in 12th house. I have heaps of charts if u wanna see...

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ASC: Virgo

Sun: Cancer
Moon: Gemini
Mars: Cancer
Mercury: Cancer
Venus: Leo

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posted November 13, 2007 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Traditionally it's hard aspects with Venus and the outer planets but

I see more alternative lifestyles with conjunctions to the Moon, especially Jupiter

My Moon squares Uranus and I'm not gay in this lifetime.
But more power to you if you are.

out!

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posted November 13, 2007 02:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thought id add mine for you.

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posted November 13, 2007 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea Belgz go ahead

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posted November 13, 2007 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mhax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any aspect of Mars and Venus with Uranus in gay men but in women I found Venus/Mars with Pluto, as well with the both cases with Chiron, or Uranus in 7th or 8th or maybe Mars and Venus in Acuarius in men or Mars and Venus in Escorpio in women.

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posted November 14, 2007 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am SO very opposed to astrologically analyzing the charts of individuals to decipher sexual, or self or societally percieved, sexual preference...

I have, time and time again looked into the charts of many individuals that are "gay" and I have found, time after time....

Nothing....

I firmly believe that sexual preference is a quality of the SOUL and not, certainly NOT dictated by any configuration of planets in the sky.

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posted November 14, 2007 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also don't think someone's birth chart will show whether someone is gay.

I think our birth chart reflects our soul. The planets at the time of our birth didn't cause us to be the way we are, but they do reflect who we are. But our chart reveals our psychological traits, not our identity. You won't be able to tell from a chart what someone's sex, sexual preference, nationality, (species ), etc. is. You'll be able to see their general attitude about things--whether they're someone who's more open-minded, accepting, etc.--but those traits & attitudes are separate from someone's identity. Whether that person is an open-minded, accepting heterosexual or homosexual, man or woman, you won't be able to see.

Maybe thorough empirical research will prove me wrong though and astrologers will discover straight and gay aspects. The only benefit I could see of this though is that homophobes could plan their child's birth on a day that promises straight aspects. But then again, they'd be unlikely to believe in and use astrology, so I'm still not seeing any practical benefit.

Edit: If there are gay aspects, when straight people experience them as transits, do they take a walk on the gay side? "I'm sorry I was going at it with your sister, honey, but that Uranus square to my Venus got me craving the ladies!"

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posted November 14, 2007 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jane---

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posted November 14, 2007 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello and welcome to LL Mhax

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posted November 14, 2007 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok you didnt make hardly any sense in your post.. you contradict yourself alot, my guess is you didnt think about it at all before posting. could you do me a favor and just read your post again..

Who we are is the way we are.. Reflecting and revealing is all the same thing. when you see a reflection it is only revealing what is already there. Souls have nothing to do with sexuality.. we can have soul connections with men and women.. a sexual preference is a pyschological trait! and if our psychological traits are revealed through our charts then so is our sexual preference.. no we are not talking about gender or race. cause that is clearly not in the stars. What we are attracted to is a psychological motivation and many doctors support this notion. Just as in ancient greece where soldiers were taught to love their male compatriots in order to fight better. Were their souls really ment to love men? no they were taught to love men at an early age therfore it became a psychological motivation. We are not trying to determine a childs sexual preference at birth. only trying to see the extent to which our charts know about us. and lets face it.. if people were that close-minded to not accept gays then I highly doubt they would look to astrology for answers.


Ok so maybe there isnt exact guidlines for homosexuality.. but there are certainly tendencies.. and yes astrologers are pointing this out. and I highly doubt a transit will change our mind on something as deep rooted as our sexual attraction.


If you dont like the veiws on this thread then dont post or atleast come with a good argument.

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posted November 14, 2007 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a good argument???

why must one argue???

can one merely just stat an opinion? forgive me, i was under the impression this is an open forum.

and...souls have everything to do with sexuality....be-cause soul is just as big a part of the human condition as is sexuality, and i really do not think the two can be separated!!!

however, i believe the soul is androgynous, therefore, since soul is so much of our humanity...

well....draw your own conclusions...

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posted November 14, 2007 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh of course open forum. and in every open forum theres going to be conflicting views and disagreements.. breeding grounds for arguement and debate. and debating is always a fun challenge and many people enjoy doing it..

you are "SO very opposed"

why must one come into the thread with opposition??... if your not looking to debate then why are you here? make your own thread about how you believe homosexuality can not be determined by astrology. I was asking for other charts or examples to try to figure out something, the least you could have done was back up your opposing belief with your own information or evidence.

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posted November 14, 2007 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus in Aquarius is another possible aspect.

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posted November 15, 2007 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SS - I'm sorry if it came across like I was attacking this thread. I wasn't. I'm all for research and knowledge for knowledge's sake. I did jump ahead & wonder, if discovered, what practical effect the knowledge of "gay aspects" would have and whether that knowledge would be abused. But I'm certainly not worried about anyone in this thread or LL in general having hateful motivations for being interested in this topic. It is an interesting topic.

I can see why you thought I was contradicting myself. I was saying (trying to, at least ) why I agreed with hippi's and your friend's opinion that someone's sexual orientation isn't revealed in his birthchart, while I at the same time understood why people would expect it to be indicated in the chart.

Why we would expect to see sexual orientation in the birth chart:
--Our charts reflect/reveal who we are. My sexual orientation is a part of who I am. So, it follows that it would show in my chart.
But...
--You couldn't look at my chart and know if I were a man or a woman. So now we know that not everything about who we are will be revealed in the birthchart. (Whether I'm a man or woman is a major aspect of my identity & has a huge bearing on my psychology, yet my chart doesn't reveal it.)
So..
--What distinguishes someone's sex (which cannot be seen) from, for example, someone's probable general approach to relationships (which can be seen)? And if we can identify that distinction, in which camp does sexual orientation go? Can we see it in a chart or not?

My opinion - I think the distinction is that our sex is a defined part of someone's identity. Our charts, on the other hand, reveal our potential by indicating the general energies we're working with and how we approach different areas of life.

I think sexual orientation is like the first: it's a defined part of someone's identity, not a potential. Whether we act on it is a potential, but it exists regardless. We all fall somewhere on the sexual orientation scale, with straighter than straight on one end and gayer than gay on the other, and more nuanced orientations in between. Different life experiences will give us greater clarity or confusion over where we fall on that scale. But just as you said that a transit won't change who someone is sexually attracted to, I think neither will natal aspects. That preference is outside the chart, just like our being male or female is, but I believe the chart shows how the person will react to his own sexual orientation (as will transits, to a lesser degree).

What some people are considering gay aspects I think are actually aspects that make people more likely to honestly express their sexual orientation. In a society where homosexuality is still considered taboo, aspects that indicate a fierce individuality sexually, a comfortability with nonconformity, and a healthy does of self-acceptance would make a person more likely to honestly express non-heterosexuality. The aspects influence the expression of someone's sexual orientation. They don't show the existence of someone's sexual orientation.

I'd be interested in comparing the charts between people of the same age group who are out and comfortable with their bi or homosexuality with those who are in the closet. But their being in the closet would make that study impossible, I guess.

Maybe, contrary to what I think, enough research will show that there's a certain combination of aspects that are necessary or sufficient indicators of sexual orientation. Discovering that would be interesting for its own sake, but it would also be scientific proof of astrology's validity. If you discovered that, you'd probably win a Nobel Prize.

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posted November 15, 2007 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology is the oldest living science.. I dont see it winning anything or getting recognized by nations for homosexual tendencies in the birth chart. Although it proves itself time and again to be right on. Its not going to be recognized. only by a select group of believers. People as a whole dont want to believe there lives are preordained in the stars. cause well they are not.. Your misconstruing what im saying. there are no definate factors for homosexuality.. only chance, we are not speaking in certainty. just as astrology as a whole is mostly chance. nothing is certain..


Btw I didnt even bother to read your whole post.. its too late. and im not reading all of that.

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posted November 15, 2007 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

How could you know I'm misconstruing what you're saying if you don't even know what I'm saying?

I highlighted what I think can be learned from studying the charts of gay people. It's two sentences.


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posted November 15, 2007 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Touche


thats what I was saying the whole time.

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posted November 15, 2007 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great, there goes 15 minutes of my life I won't see again when I could've just spent 10 seconds writing those 2 sentences. Transiting Mercury on my ascendant is wreaking havoc. It looks like I made your thread one of its victims.

But about case studies...in the past, I've spent time looking at charts of gay friends of mine and celebrities. The only slight trends I noticed overall were strong Uranus aspects (to Sun, Venus, or Moon) or prominent Aquarius placements. But I don't think gay people are more likely to have these aspects, just that if they do, they'll be more likely not to repress their sexuality. Gay people can have any chart, but the chart will show how they deal with having a taboo sexual orientation.

Edit: I just looked up the charts of two of my gay friends. They both have an aqua/uranus infuence...
1st person - aqua moon, aqua on the dsc
2nd person - uranus exactly conjunct sun
They've both been out since they were teenagers.

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posted November 16, 2007 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jane

I would have to agree with the expression of sexuality point you make.

I too, have looked to the charts of gay friends, family members and, tho, have found NO similarities at all! Even NO Uranus. One young lady has a Mars in Aqua trined by her Venus in Gem, a Pisces asc, Pisces moon, Aries sun, Uranus aspects nothing, except for a very wide quincunx to her Venus, and conj her Saturn in Cap but I find it hard to believe this has anything to do with her choice of sexual expression.

If any woman should be gay, astrologically it should be me

I am pretty sure with my Pisces sun and Taurus moon, femaninity prevails, however with my stellium of Mars, Merc and Jupiter in Aqua and all closely opposed to Uranus in Leo...well...! AND t-squaring my Moon and my asc I think I should probably take a walk on the wild side---tho I do not. My Uranian nature is expressed other ways.

I do not have a problem with gays, many are very close to me, but I am so very straight!

This is where my problem lies with labling individuals gay or straignt with the astrological chart, it has just never worked for me, and I have looked and boy how I have looked!!!

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posted November 16, 2007 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe you are gay and just dont know it

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posted November 16, 2007 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK.....

I'm sharing from experience here... I got to know one of the most famous astrologers to Hollywood Gay/Lesbian community.. was on the radio allot.. even was on TV...

His theory was:

When someone has double imagine signs
such as:
Aquarius... two lines...
Pisces.... two fish
Gemini.... two twins
Cancer..... 6 and then a 9 combined
Libra..... two balancing scales

The more a person has these double imagine signs in their: Sun, Moon, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Uranus.... the more likely they are to be totally gay... bi... or experiment and be courageous sexually...

He showed me this over and over with his charts then.. .and for the last 14 years I've looked at the charts when MANY of my clients in Hollywood were gay/lesbian... and guess what it works...

hippichick... look at your example above...

Mars... Aquarius...
Venus... Gemini
Moon... Pisces....

I know this isn't all about transits... and aspects... however, if something works ... it works... before you fire off any comment... test it... test it over and over again.. and see if it doesn't work... It works every time... I've had clients ask me.. how did you know I was gay??? I do this with clients I do over the phone (which is about 60%) of my clients.. and I never even see them .. and the formula works... so TEST IT.. then comment on it...

And yes, I'm in agreement with you when their Venus or Moon is aspected by Uranus and/or Pluto.. you get some pretty wild sexual lives...

hope this helps two parties discussing this issue above....

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BiBi De Angelo,

are you sure that works? I`m very doubtful, but well, that doesn`t mean it doesn`t work.

HOwever, I tested that theory with two men, who have been in a homosexual relationship for 15 years (with each other), so I think we can consider them gay.

The first man has
Mars in Pisces
Jupiter in Pisces
(Do two "hits" suffice?)

The second man has
Mars in Libra,
that`s all.

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