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starflower
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posted November 17, 2007 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking about natal Saturn placements and aspects and wondering if there are any indicators in the natal chart towards having a life alone or a somewhat isolated life.
What about people who are recluses - I cant help thinking that Saturn must be influential in some way?

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posted November 17, 2007 09:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in 12th is the ultimate recluse. But I also think Saturn in the social houses (3rd, 7th, and 11th) could mean few friends. Old Saturn governs fears and karma, and he finds a home in the 12th, a house usually known for it's solitude. In fact, a chart with a lot of 12th could churn up someone as a recluse, or someone who just loves having their own life without the constant open social pull or spotlight on them, preferring behind the scenes so to say.

Not really sure about the aspects, but I think Opposition to the DSC(7th or 11th house) or Cancer, Virgo, Capricorn or Pisces would definitely play up as well.

And people with retrogrades. Forgot to mention that.

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Green Fairy
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posted November 17, 2007 10:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in Scorpio - 3rd House
Saturn squaring Mercury in Leo - 12th House

I am a bit of a recluse.

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posted November 17, 2007 10:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Capricorn on the cusp of the 11th house with Saturn in the 7th house. Saturn also squares my Moon in the 5th house ... I never had many friends. I wouldn't exactly refer to myself as a recluse because I really do like spending my time with close friends. But I have a hard time letting people get close to me. I've had lot of bad experiences with friendships. And to be perfectly honest I've kind of given up on trying to make new friends, because I feel it will always end the same way.

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Azalaksh
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posted November 17, 2007 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got Saturn conjunct Sun in the 3rd house.....
I know, and enjoy the company of, lots of people, but I have very few close buddies. With Cancer intercepted in my 11th, plus Cancer SN, I tend to nurture my friends -- and with Pluto conj Asc perhaps I'm a little too intense for some. I've always been quite independent -- have supported myself for decades -- but in the gaps between relationships I've never felt lonely. I need and treasure my alone-time to pursue my own interests. There's a big difference between "alone" and "lonely," and I feel comfortable in my own skin with my own company, so I seldom feel lonely. Having special people around daily to share the passage of the years would be nice, but it would be icing on an already tasty cake So if other relationships should present themselves I shall be happy to explore them -- in the meantime, even with my busy life and many challenges, I am happy, and I walk my path without hands to hold.....
Zala
(Saturn trine Jupiter, square Uranus & NN, sextile Asc & Pluto)

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librarising
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posted November 17, 2007 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for librarising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do agree with you ^ there is a difference between being "alone" and "lonely".

I too am a bit of a reclusive type of person. I am not a shy person but I just prefer my own company and have a couple of people who I consider friends. I have always been that way and I think it's due to things I take interest in.

My Saturn is in Sagitarrius in the 2nd house. It is in a conjuction with Uranus (Sagittarius).

Not too sure it any astrological explaination can be given to my comfortablity with being alone.

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posted November 17, 2007 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for librarising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Saturn is my least aspected planet.. that could explain some.

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posted November 17, 2007 01:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in the 7th BooHoo

I also did the astro travel chart on astro.com and the area in which I live (have lived my whole life) has supposedly negative saturn influences that are difficult to overcome. I think there may be some truth to this because I've always felt so restricted. I think if I grew up/lived in a different area my life would be tremendously different. Opportunities that I've struggled to get have been abundant elsewhere. I tried to move out of the city for years and years with no success. It's like Karma or something was holding me back no matter what I did. Pretty awful.

I also have alot of 12th house sun, mercury, NN venus in the 11th but close to the 12th. Fortunately the aspects are really good since they are a corner of a grand trine/kite
squares to Jupiter though. I'm both lonely and like being a loner. Lots of artistic skill has come from being a 12th house which is really good and I've started to pursue this again.

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posted November 18, 2007 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a recluse. I have many friends. I am not lonely, but I prefer being alone, with my thoughts etc.

My Saturn is in the 12th house, conjunct Pluto and Mercury. And... my Saturn is square my NN, Moon and MC (and Lilith... I think)

I have times when I am highly social, like a party four days a week, or more, but when I disappear, I disappear, for years. But, I will have my regulars who I speak to or even hang-out with daily, but it can't be for a long stretch of time. Two hours a day, per person at a maximum of two people (which is 4hrs) is enough for me, unless we are doing some sort of activity - preferably an activity that I can calculate or create.

Otherwise I get drained. My friends are used to me chasing them out of my place, or doing whatever they like while I do something else, if they won't leave after their time is up.

So, I just disappear to my room for like 3 hrs, and leave the person(s) in the lounge, and when I go to get something in the kitchen, I usually find them watching telly and eating a sandwich.

LOL.

and say, "You're still here?" (if I even bother to speak) and they nod a yes while chewing. I nod back and carry on with what I was doing, until I am ready to join them... if they are still there.

Fortunately, they don't take it personally.

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posted November 18, 2007 09:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I suppose it's true. I'm a recluse. Saturn in the 12th, square Moon. Love my alone time.

Amazing that a social planet can have such control over the personality.

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posted November 18, 2007 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rusalka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in 7th house, along with Jupiter and Mercury.
I tend to isolate, and be alone for long periods of time.
Have lots of friends, lots of different groups of friends, but have huge problem with seeing myself as an extrovert.....

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posted February 14, 2018 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 15, 2018 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted February 16, 2018 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Error. My Saturn is 6th.
My usage of formats has changed.

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posted April 10, 2018 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune/Uranus heavy people are to me recluse.

I have Sun-Neptune conjunct as the closest aspect in my chart. I am a recluse. Don't really socialize much.

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posted April 12, 2018 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn is considered to be a significator of recluses and secrecy (although Pluto and Neptune can have their roles in it too). The issues will often surround self-criticism and not wanting to subject oneself to more from others; wanting an unreasonable degree of control; living in a separationist mindset that doesn't see how much we experience our fullest selves through others.

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posted April 29, 2018 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Saturn is considered to be a significator of recluses and secrecy (although Pluto and Neptune can have their roles in it too). The issues will often surround self-criticism and not wanting to subject oneself to more from others; wanting an unreasonable degree of control; living in a separationist mindset that doesn't see how much we experience our fullest selves through others.


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posted April 30, 2018 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well-said.

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Mariamne Mara
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posted May 01, 2018 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mariamne Mara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natal Saturn in 9th house Scorpio. It's conjunct Pluto, ruler of MC. Both squaring Aqua Mars in 12th house, Aqua is my AC.

I'm very social, I love hanging up and speaking with people, but since Pluto is transitting my 12th house Capricorn, I enjoy a lot being on my own, like a nun, feeling secure in my solitude, socializing stressing my a lot. On top of this, Cap Saturn is transitting 11th natal house where I have South Node, Venus and Mercury and I've lost my "friends" but they were not friends at all, just interested people who wanting things from me, so I feel this transit as a blessing: useless people out of my life. Since this transit started, I refuse going out with people I enjoyed to do it just few months ago. I promised myself deleting all toxic friends from my life.

Enjoying being some kind of recluse.

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I think we all have a tad of loneliness with our Saturn placements... I personally feel blessed with the people I have in my life... my parents have raised me and I love them sooooo much that even when I move out Iím going to keep in touch with them or visit them a lot because 2) it keeps them young and 2) they would be lonely without me

I work as a caregiver for the elderly and every job I take I always try and socialize as much with the senior citizen as I can... because I know they live alone and they have limited social interaction.. most of them their children if they have them live in different states, or their spouses died.. so I try to be like a daughter or friend to them. But I want to change careers because I want a higher paying job but hopefully there are other people who are as attentive to their needs as I am.. because people are social creatures. They need to voice their thoughts and have them be heard. Iím a moon(7th)square saturner(10th) so I am emotionally strong and I have learned it the hard way at first but I have adjusted to the situation and realized maybe not having a whole crowd of people around isnít the best thing in the world... and I just made do with what I got and smile!

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
I think we all have a tad of loneliness with our Saturn placements... I personally feel blessed with the people I have in my life... my parents have raised me and I love them sooooo much that even when I move out Iím going to keep in touch with them or visit them a lot because 2) it keeps them young and 2) they would be lonely without me

I work as a caregiver for the elderly and every job I take I always try and socialize as much with the senior citizen as I can... because I know they live alone and they have limited social interaction.. most of them their children if they have them live in different states, or their spouses died.. so I try to be like a daughter or friend to them. But I want to change careers because I want a higher paying job but hopefully there are other people who are as attentive to their needs as I am.. because people are social creatures. They need to voice their thoughts and have them be heard. Iím a moon(7th)square saturner(10th) so I am emotionally strong and I have learned it the hard way at first but I have adjusted to the situation and realized maybe not having a whole crowd of people around isnít the best thing in the world... and I just made do with what I got and smile!


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posted June 11, 2018 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being alone does not equate to loneliness.

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posted June 12, 2018 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes, it can be quite the opposite.

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