posted November 20, 2007 06:07 AM            

I have Venus opposite Pluto.. and Mars conjunct Neptune and sextile Pluto amongst others - that I share with everyone in my generation.

It doesn't play out with everyone. They have to trigger it in some way. For instance, if a guy born in the same generation, as you - had his Mars trine Pluto on the same axis as your Venus/Pluto - in Gemini/Libra.. you *would* feel this aspect with him.

Another theory is that - when a personal planet is in aspect to a generational planet it shows how your generation perceives you. If you were a famous person with Venus conjunct Pluto.. the people in your generation could see you as a sex symbol.. or if you were a writer with Mercury conjunct Neptune, in natal.. the people in your generation could be mesmerized by your writing skills… and buy all your books.

posted November 20, 2007 07:20 AM              

For instance, I have Venus in Libra, so my Venus is conjunct the Pluto of everyone born between, say, 1977 and 1980. Of course I don't feel a connection to everyone born in those years. My special someone was born 1979, so his Pluto conjuncts my Venus. My Pluto also squares his Venus. We also have several other connections (Sun/Venus, Moon/Venus, Sun/Ascendant, Moon/Ascendant) and I can assure you that we definitely feel the effects of Venus/Pluto.

posted November 20, 2007 03:29 PM              

That would really make you see if the person is really intimatelly bonded with you in a special way that others arent ( of course this applies for all other conections besides of the Venus/Pluto)

posted November 20, 2007 08:29 PM              

lol.every now and again someone lets loose !

Its not a generational thing if you feel a Venus/Pluto aspect. It's like nothing you have ever felt before!

posted November 20, 2007 11:23 PM              

My Pluto trines my bf's Venus and it is definitely an intense relationship, but I don't have this intensity with other people who's Venus trines my Pluto. Could be that the other significant placements just aren't happening between me and the other people.

There's also a guy who had an intense effect on me years ago and I still feel that pull at times even now. I only now just checked our aspects, and his Pluto squares my Venus, but we also have other Venus and Mars aspects, as well as other factors (eg my Mars in his 8th, his NN conjunct my sun, Mars conjunct Moon, Mars trine Mars, and Mars opposite Venus).

posted November 21, 2007 03:09 AM            

In my case, the square is a 0 degree orb so he and his Pluto held the cards more so than I did with my 6 degree orb conjunction.

posted November 21, 2007 03:31 AM              

My ex and I had no Pluto aspects, and it was a very easy relationship - but, what was lacking was intensity.

The Pluto square Venus guy, I can't believe how many Mars aspects we have and this really sheds some light for me on not just the attraction, but the power of that attraction.

I just looked at a chart with a guy friend who's flirted with me on and off for years. I can take it or leave it even though he's cute, lol. We have sun moon conjunction, Venus/ascendant, Mars/Mars and some Venus aspects, with my Pluto sextile his Mars. So I wonder if I have some power in that relationship that I'm not fully aware of. lol He did mention recently that he's always thought that I'd be out of his league... that was unbelievable to me, because he's very good looking! I now wonder if this is reflected in the Pluto aspect.

posted November 21, 2007 04:06 AM              

Venus moves fairly quickly in the declinations,
so, it IS possible to have a venus/pluto contact that ISN'T generational. (if you except the validity of parallels/contra-parallels, and also latitudes and contra-latitudes in the Helio chart... or even the Helio chart at all!!

I personally have a venus/pluto parallel in my natal (geocentric) chart, and my girlfriend has her venus paralleling that venus/pluto parallel (WHEW!!! sorry for all the "P" words )

posted November 21, 2007 05:58 AM            

Great thread. I also have a tendency to be attracted to those with whom I have Pluto and 8th house synastry with. (Every one of my past relationships has a strong Pluto connection...usually with the Moon, sometimes with Venus...and TONS of composite suns in the 8th house. That's with love relationships, family and friends!) I agree that it depends on what you have natally. I have to have depth in a relationship or I get bored easily.

I think with your Venus trining most people your age's Pluto...including your own...it would make you interested in others on a deeper level. What I was wondering, was about those other aspects that your boyfriend's Venus makes to the planets in your chart. (Pluto is generational, but Venus is a quick one!) What are the aspects and orbs? I'd also check the parallels as Diandra and Etheric mentioned.

I also liked the point that CF made about another planet that can set off your trine of Venus w/ others too.

Etheric...I also have my Pluto parallel with someone's Pluto/Venus. Since you've had 8 years of experience with it, if you don't mind my asking...in what ways does that intensity play out?

posted November 22, 2007 02:10 AM              

Your "venus/pluto" person would be the one you would want to ask about any "intensity" issues in your situation.

I'm not sure I'm completely ready to disclose all of the emotional/financial/power issues that may concern this aspect in my personal relationship.

Also, if this was another somewhat masked astrological "challenge", then please, go F@#$ yourself... Because:

A. I don't get paid for my astrological opinions (do you?)

B. Just because I may be able to form a somewhat valid sounding thesis using commonly available astrological ideas doesn't mean I'm convinced of my own infallibility. ( although that is my goal )

posted November 22, 2007 02:48 AM              

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What I was wondering, was about those other aspects that your boyfriend's Venus makes to the planets in your chart. (Pluto is generational, but Venus is a quick one!) What are the aspects and orbs? I'd also check the parallels as Diandra and Etheric mentioned.

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I don't understand anything about parallels and such, so I'll need to look into this when I get some free time. Interestingly I don't think the rest of our synastry is all that great... here's our aspects if it's easier to see what's going on this way. Let me know if it's better if I just list them. I'm the first person.

posted November 22, 2007 03:33 AM              

If you go to astro.com, and run a chart, you should see a link on the top left of that chart that says "click here to see additional tables in PDF form"
(or something similar)

When you click that link, look for a chart that has the location of your planets in the degrees of each sign (i.e. Sun 20 deg. Gemini from my chart) on the far left, and when you scroll to the far right, you should see a column labeled "Declinations". Underneath that column you will be able to tell what degree North or South of the equator, said planet was in at the time or your birth ( In my case my Sun is at 23 degrees north latitude, which would look like 23'N in the list under the declination heading)

My Mercury is also at 23'N in the declinations, so, it could be said that my Sun and Mercury are in "parallel" aspect to each other.

My Mars is at 21'N "contra-paralleling" my Neptune at 20'S.

posted November 22, 2007 03:55 AM              

I have:
Jupiter 2.38 N
Chiron 10.5 N
Pluto 13.1 N
Sun 13.21 N
Mercury 16.45 N
Saturn 22.34 N
Venus 24.25 N

Mars 8.45 S
Uranus 11.1 S
Moon 17.10 S
True Node 20.21 S
Mean Node 20.39 S
Neptune 22.33 S

So, I can see I have a Sun-Pluto parallel at least, Saturn-Neptune contra-parallel? I'll have to do some more reading and find out what orbs are relevant and what it all means, etc. This is cool starting to learn about it. Thank you!

Edit... and my bf:

Chiron 7.19 N
Moon 10.45 N
Pluto 15.54 N
Saturn 18.17 N
Venus 20.28 N
Sun 23.22 N
Mercury 23.29 N

Uranus 3.6 S
Mean Node 15.43 S
True node 16.6 S
Neptune 18.41 S
Mars 18.53 S
Jupiter 18.56 S

So he has Sun-Mercury, and Neptune-Mars-Jupiter parallel, and...

Pluto-Mean Node contraparallel
Saturn- Neptune, Saturn-Mars, Saturn-Jupiter contraparallel.

posted November 23, 2007 12:28 PM            

Your Sun/Pluto parallel would explain your identifying with Pluto's energy so much!

In synastry, you want to compare your planets to his within 1.2 degrees. Your Chiron 10.5 N is parallel his Moon 10.45N. Nice connection!

Etheric...Uh...ya lost me there. I don't remember ever challenging anyone astrologically...I would never enter a battle unarmed!

The Pluto parallel Venus/Pluto person in my situation is a potential relationship, not an existing one. Anytime we've been around eachother, there is a super intense feeling between us...the kind I'd sometimes shy away from. Being that I'm considering moving towards this person, I was just curious as to whether that was the astrological connection that could have caused that feeling, and "peeping" into a potential future. (Pity my dual nature runs a gambit between faith and trouble shooting everything.)

My Pluto (18N22) and Vertex parallel his Venus, Jupiter, Pluto, and Karma.

posted November 23, 2007 06:01 PM            

Gemini75

If Pluto's energy has been personalized by you than his influence will be more than just generational for you.
Remember that if for example Pluto were your chart ruler or even rules or is conjunct other angles in your chart he becomes a key player and not just generational
Same goes for Pluto having many contacts to your planets. The more aspects he has the more in depth connection with those planets in your own chart as well as in synastry

Example: Lets say you have Pluto conjunct Venus and the Sun; if your partner is same age his/her Pluto would be conjunct yours....however it would symbolize a more intense attraction/connection for you because your Venus and Sun are always influenced deeply by the way you experience the Plutonian energy within you

If you have strong 8th house influence like say the lights or chart ruler in there your Pluto contacts will be more prominent for you than someone who hasn't personalized their Plutonian energy

posted November 23, 2007 11:32 PM              

Looks like he also has Mars, Neptune and Jupiter parallel my moon... hopefully that's a good thing! lol

posted November 27, 2007 09:29 AM              

I'm surprised we are both still alive today. lol

posted November 27, 2007 11:05 AM            

The Venus/Pluto aspect needs to have a strong Pluto/Moon aspect tagged along with it in order to see the deeper connection involved in a relationship. I never quite realized that until a few weeks ago as to how intense my relationship is becoming Lol! And really... I wouldn't want it any other way.

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Manu's Pluto conjunct Angie's Moon :

Angie's emotional responses to Manu are very intense. If Manu is physically attractive to Angie, then the attractive power of Manu over Angie is extremely powerful. However, the attraction tends to have a love/hate quality to it, and you feel drawn to each other, but also wary and distrustful of each other. It is likely that you feel both drawn to each other and repulsed by each other at the same time! The emotional response to each other is intense and complex, and the ultimate outcome of this deep, complex emotional tie is difficult to predict, but one thing is certain: this is not a lukewarm relationship and you 'get under each other's skin', evoking intense feelings from each other. Angie can easily become obsessed with Manu!

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posted November 30, 2007 03:02 PM            

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For me, the control issue has been a major thing, along with the lack of trust (and I suppose they're probably related). The interesting thing to me has been that, as far as healing these issues is concerned, it's been recognizing my real lack of control that has freed me. Giving up the idea that I can control everything has made life simpler and happier. And I'm more trusting, too, because I've learned that I can survive being hurt.
People with challenging Pluto aspects often have been wounded. Dominated, violated, controlled, manipulated, broken down. It's all a matter of degrees how bad it was, and sometimes it's easier to deal with the more overt types of abuse because at least you can identify exactly what happened. The covert type of abuse that you can't quite place -- that can't be proven -- is often more difficult to heal.

Regardless, in order to survive, we build up defenses. To avoid feeling completely powerless, we develop routines, habits, m.o.'s. Control is an illusion, but how terrifying life can be -- especially as a child or young adult -- to feel that you cannot protect yourself, that you are vulnerable! The world can be a dangerous place, and a "kill or be killed" approach sometimes feels like the only way to survive.

But control does not work in relationships. You can only get so close, and then terror kicks in. A constant suspicion of people's motives prevents your heart from flowering. You play various "games" to be one up. And all you accomplish are power struggles and strife.

Learning that you can survive being hurt -- this is key. I believe that there is something deep inside of you that cannot be harmed, and that you have a natural tendency to heal. A psychotherapeutic relationship, for example, can facilitate this. A "corrective emotional experience" occurs when your habitual patterns rear their ugly head in an intimate relationship, and the therapist responds differently than how you expect. You cannot lure the therapist into your game, and you learn that relationships do not always have to repeat the same destructive pattern, over and over again. You also get in touch with your inner strength, dis-identifying with your woundedness.

It is your vulnerability that makes you beautiful. It is your open-heartedness that attracts love. Only by risking authenticity can you take the air out of someone else's tires, preventing them from driving their PlutoMobile over your soul.

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posted November 30, 2007 04:02 PM              

(ie l have venus/pluto quincunx with a guy and pluto/venus sextile)

In fact can one count the semi sextile, quincunx and biquintile in all of these aspects?

posted November 30, 2007 05:00 PM              

It's the guy's VENUS cj. my own PLUTO - both in VIRGO, and the conjunction takes place in his 1st house / in my 10th.

To make it short: Although I am the PLUTO-person here (supposed to be "strong one"), I feel overpowered by him/his affection, feel insecure, mistrustful, threatened and frightened. I would like to (re-)gain control - not controlling "him", rather controlling myself (my feelings). I also do invest too much time, feeling, pondering and wondering into this love-thing, too much for my liking. Currently I have the feeling that this guy could never satisfy my needs - although I crave no one else, but him!