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RainbowDay
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posted November 21, 2007 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMIGOSH. Nooo...!! I've gone and done it this time, haven't I? I've gone and ****** off a scorpion. And even better yet, she's my teacher! yippe. Seriously though, I had no idea she was so god damn proud (not necessarily a scorpio treat? leo asc maybe?) I didn't even notice that I was stepping on her toes until she completely snapped at me. We were just discussing students' rights. I mean, she should have been able to handle some critisism, shouldn't she? :/

so what do I do NOW? I think this is war!! :O

she's so scary... what do I do? If she doesn't stop being mean soon I'll have to actually fight back somehow:/ and how do I do that? nooo... what should I do!?!? Fighting with scorprios is so nasty business. They'll use any means possible... =/ And I know this because
1. my worst enemy for 7 years where a scorpio (we're actually friends today though!)
2. I have yet another scorpio friend (and she ALWAYS get's back at me, for even the smallest things)
3. My mom's scorpio, enough said.

When will I learn? *do not EVER **** of a scorpio*. Yup... I want to discuss them, because to be frank... I want to win once in a while. Especially when I know I'm right!

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heart cakes
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posted November 21, 2007 03:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what's your sign? i'm an aquarius with taurus moon and had a recent falling out with a scorpio with a HUUUUUGE scorpio stellium. he did a complete 180 on me so i know what you're talking about. and my stubborn fixed sun and moon squaring his scorpio stuff was like, no way i'm not playing, which p!ssed him off more, no doubt. basically, he wanted me to apologize for me asking him not to constantly have to make cruel "jokes" at my expense (which i tolerated all the time but eventually had to speak up against).

i would say, based on that experience, they get their feelings hurt very easily and just want to be loved unconditionally and they want apologies. i'm not really sure how to get on peaceful ground with them without surrendering completely. maybe someone else will have a suggestion!

edit: i don't mean to sound harsh toward scorpios. i love this guy a lot and love his intensity. i think i'm still tending my wound from his scorpio sting which is maybe why i sound biased. but my dearest best friend was a scorpio and this guy is an amazing guy too. just don't know how to resolve arguments with them, and agree it can be a very frightening experience!

and of course, not all scorpios are this way..

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patisserie
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posted November 21, 2007 03:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What? I don't think you have done anything with ill intent to a Scorpio. I would have assumed she would have respected you to stand up and fight for your beliefs. They always love a challenge, but even love someone who was passionate about their views and opinions.

Maybe you hurt one of their most personal causes? What was the real argument about anyway? She could have had Sagittarius or Libra or Cancer in her chart nearby.

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aries sun
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posted November 21, 2007 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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RainbowDay
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posted November 21, 2007 03:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm an aquarius too, heart cakes. but cancer moon. The argument basically started out with me telling her about some student's rights when it comes to giving out grades, and which she had broken. I think I was completely civil so I got very surprised when she started yelling at me, telling me it was none of my business how she descided on grades if it had not directly involved me. Which again I found pretty stupid, because I think that when you see injustice you speak up against it, if it's against you or not. I wanted to discuss it with her because it is a quite common right to break by the teachers in my school. I was just trying to inform her of a right which I don't suppose she'd never even heard of before. Also, the way she just cut me off while I was talking, I found really disrespectfull, which I told her. So she just kept on yelling until I started to cry because she was just so horibble. It was so... ODD. I really used to think she was a nice person. Funny how you can instantly change your opinion on someone.

I think she may be a bit extreme as a scorpio. I've had scorpios snap at me before, but not like that. I was so angry I was chaking.

She being my teacher is a huge problem though, I can't ignore her like I'd usually do. No, I HAVE TO win this argument.

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Astra
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posted November 21, 2007 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your teacher is that sensitive, that anything you do would make her angry. I know Scorpios have that reputation of being the most deadly enemy of all the zodiac signs. This is simply not true. Hell, I'm a Gemini and I made a Scorpio run away crying. Don't let anyone intimidate you. Scorpios appear to be very tough in order to conceal their vulnerable side.

You didn't betray this teacher; you only expressed your opinion. It would be very pathetic for her to get revenge on you for something so benign. If you called her "stupid" or attacked her character, then that would be out of line. In that case, give a sincere apology. Otherwise, just stand your ground and don't show any fear.

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patisserie
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posted November 21, 2007 04:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you might have set off one of her fears of being fired or tainting her reputation. Sounds like a betrayal to me.. a student-teacher kind of betrayal and she is trying to justify her "black market-y" ways. Tough call, but if you are truly concerned about quality, then go for it. Your teacher might have just tried to shut you out from speaking anymore, your voice does have power.

Oh yeah! And don't worry. Sometimes people like her just try to WIN the situation by being the loudest voice in the argument. I am sure she probably scared the bejesus out of everyone in the class too. You should report her anyway for conducting herself so unprofessionally. It's really weird to me, too.

ALSO, I remember back in the day when I was in school that teachers get paid by how well their students pass the grade level. Each student counted, so this could tempt any teacher to pass every single student even if that student bombed. Does this still apply to you?

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posted November 21, 2007 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Rainbow Day...

Just a thought, but I'd write down the whole incident and speak to a guidance counselor or something just in case she decides to retaliate by lowering your grades. She may try to get back at you in this way. Save copies of all of your scores as well. If she does do this, then you have something to fall back on.

Better safe than sorry...

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cat71
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posted November 21, 2007 05:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMO I think this 'winning' depends on how you perceive winning.
My best friend is a Scorpion, and fromwhat you've decscribed, I think she felt you attacked her integrity. Integrity is different to pride. My best mate is all about integrity. And he gets the most mad when he feels a) betrayed or b) his integrity questioned.
Like I said - how do you percieve winning - I think the only way to 'win' here is to speak to her alone and explain you were not questioning her integrity, only pointing out what you see as a basic right for students to question what they see as unfair. Turn it back on her, ask her how she would feel or react if a student asked her to re-consider her mark on a particular piece of work. Would she look at it again, give the student an opportunity to re-submit or stubbornly stand by her initial decision?
I've quibbled with my friend in the past and I've also called him an as*hole out right - luckily he has a sense of humour She may have other placements that make her touchy or unable to accept constructive criticism.

If all else fails I agree with Patisserie - unprofessionalism in teaching is not unheard of and should be addressed, seek advice from a counsellor or dean etc.

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ghanima81
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posted November 21, 2007 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My bro is scorp sun/aries moon/sag rising, and he snaps at the drop of a hat when he's p!ssed. And he is always right. I mean, ALWAYS. Even when it is obvious to everyone else that he's wrong. We all condede to him just to keep the peace, his friends, family, girlfriend, his temper is kinda scary. Not violent or anything, but WOAH, don't p!ss him off.

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darkdreamer
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posted November 22, 2007 07:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, can it be that she maybe was having just a bad day?

I`m not excusing here, if she in fact had done injustice, but sometimes you just don`t react the right way.

I`m sure if you ask my pupils, they will tell you of some incidents when I snapped a bit at them, too. But well, you know, usually I realized when I`m wrong, and then I will apologize and re-think my conclusion, my judgement.

But sometimes it just takes a few minutes to calm down. Even teachers are human, and sometimes even teachers show some nerves.

Maybe, if this was the case, the whole class could talk to her in a calm, non-accusing manner (that goes for both sides, of course) about that issue.

And if she really was just having a bad day, she will listen to you. I certainly would.

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heart cakes
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posted November 22, 2007 04:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that's true, dark dreamer..

maybe she feels badly and doesn't know how to un-do her freaking out on you.. i would try smiling at her in a genuine and peaceful way and see if that melts away some of the tension. and then maybe you can talk it out and resolve something. i sure hope you can because you will be seeing eachother often

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RainbowDay
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posted November 22, 2007 04:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well thanks allot for all of your replies people! It's really helpfull because I'm so unsure about how to handle this situation...:/

Astra; I didn't call her stupid, so like you said I will not apologize. I feel I was completely at my right about this. Sure I may have been straight-forward, but I think she should be able to handle it. You can't even say it was outright criticism. I was simply informing her of a right that after my guess she had no knowledge of since she did not follow it.

And to Patisserie, I really liked what you wrote. As of her reputation and fear of being fired I can imagine that may have been the case, she's new this year. And as my friend (who was next to me when the arguement first took place)said, she cut me off just when my arguments were starting to get good. Also, when I went to talk to her afterwords asking her why she so abruptly ended the argument with a harsh comment and turning her back on me, she said I was out of my place. 1. because it was something that I was not directly a victim of (by her) and 2. she said my voice was too loud. (which it ALWAYS is. I can't help it, I'm a leo asc??:P)

EighthMoon... Lowering my grades, haha. speaking of which, I suspect she actually did today. Too bad for her really, because it's something I can easily complain to seeing as she's my math-teacher. She actually gave me wrong on several of my answers for showing the calculation. I was like "WHAT?!?!". She ALWAYS says we have to show them or she'll take points for it. That wasn't even the only thing. I even had the others look at it and they thought she had gone mental. In any case, I asked her to hand my paper to another teacher since we disagreed on the grade and stuff. You know what? she refused. Said I was going against her of personal reasons and that it was a personal attack. I did NOTHING, I was all polite, just simply said I disagreed, nothing more. If this continues, I think I'll have to have a chat with the principal.

cat71, I percive winning by having her apologize. Or I don't know, just start acting normal again, because this is really weird.

ghanima81, yup... Think it's a bit too late to do that now though. Especially seeing as we had 3 arguments just today.

darkdreamer, I'm sure you are a really good teacher and I do know teachers can be a bit harsh sometimes aswell - I get that. And I'm not that easily offended either. But when I started crying and she just went on and on and on I felt it was a bit too much (this was the second time I talked to her, it was only the two of us). And well, the thing continued today (2 days later, so I don't think it was simply a bad day even though she was a bit better today maybe).

Anyways, I think it's really hard. I don't it easy going against an authorityfigure. Sure I'm the one who started the discussion, but I've always been able to disagree with my teachers without things blowing out of perspective like that. It's all very confusing.

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RainbowDay
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posted November 22, 2007 04:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah sorry saw your reply there a little late, heart cakes auch, you're right aren't you? oh well... suppose I'll have to be the bigger person because she's definately avoiding me (when we spoke today it was because I came to her, and we only ended up arguing). Even this is hard though, I feel she's really suspicious of me.

This sucks. I ALWAYS have to be the bigger person. Everyone else are too stubborn I think.

I will not change my opinion concerning today's grade however, because I think it was unfair. So. She's going to have to deal with me disagreein with me. And I WILL make a fuss about it is she does not change it. NO-ONE compromises my grades.

But after that, sure I'll put my anger aside.

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted November 22, 2007 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOLOL! Woa woa woa slow down their. While ******* off anyone is generally not a good idea but Scorpios are not the ultimate all powerful creatures that some ppl fear them to be (i am sorry I love you guys all but seriously lets get real). I have 3 Scorpio enemies (all of whom are moons in Cancer....i dunno how that happened lol) but they are not as tough as they want you to think.

Plus the Scorpios that do constantly get back at people for stuff are totally immature and self conscious and that is why they do it. Scorpios are generally very intense and spiritual people who know what they want and do not let others walk all over them. They get back at people to let them know that "No kiddo I am no doormat".

As for your teacher. If she is wrong she is wrong. And as tough (and this is tough) as it is to fight a faculty member, if she is really wrong there are ways to do it. You can file a complaint with a principal (if ur in school) or the Dean if you are in college. You can go to the department head and voice your complaint. And most importantly keep copies of all correspondence with her and do not stoop to her level. Remember she is still a teacher and therefore you should approach her respectfully even if it is for a battle. If she gives you an unfair grade you can always complain and question it. Usually grades are based on exams or papers so if you feel she has wronged you be sure to prove it. Also when grading teachers give constructive criticism so if she gives you and F and her writing seems BS it could be fought. Don't worry. And don't be afraid of Scorpios...they can only get you if you let them...I know im a moon in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and yes i could be heck of a vengeful chick but most of the time I just brush it off cuz its too much time and effort (Scorpios usually get even when you hit their soft spot of attacked something that makes them self conscious).

I agree with Aries Sun...Scorpio moons are crazy emotional and we do get hurt easily. But i promise you if someone hurt my feelings and then came up and apologized for it, id hold no grudge 90% of the time.

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The argument basically started out with me telling her about some student's rights when it comes to giving out grades, and which she had broken. I think I was completely civil so I got very surprised when she started yelling at me, telling me it was none of my business how she descided on grades if it had not directly involved me.

Clearly she is insecure about having her authority challenged. You have done nothing wrong for as long as you didnt 1) yell at her or 2) insult her in any way. Don't take it to mind. Shes way out of line.

You don't have to win any argument but if she keeps being stand offish come up to her and maturely tell her that her yelling at you was absolutely uncalled for. You were trying to clarify something to her that you felt was done wrong or unfairly with respect to other students and while you think she is a good teacher, she needs to also be aware of her students' needs...if she keeps yelling go to the department head...shes not your mother or your prison guard she has no business raising her voice at you and perhaps her anger issues could be addressed some other ways.

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Hell, I'm a Gemini and I made a Scorpio run away crying. Don't let anyone intimidate you.

Rock on sister! I had moments when i made tough as nails Capricorns cry. Seriously I understand some ppl could be intimidating but don't let anyone get the best of you.

Thats another thing Scorpios are usually vengeful when you betray them. You haven't betrayed her in any way and she was in the wrong.

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