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NAM
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posted November 23, 2007 01:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do we waste so much time with it?

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patisserie
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posted November 23, 2007 03:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Something wrong?

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BlueRoamer
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posted November 23, 2007 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick?

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patisserie
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posted November 23, 2007 03:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nature is so complex, like stuff of gravity and black holes and universes... surely, there could be things like Astrology and Religion which is even difficult to place trust in or prove, but, I still find there is wisdom somewhere.

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NAM
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posted November 23, 2007 03:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bit down.

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patisserie
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posted November 23, 2007 03:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Care to share? *offers a cup of hot chocolate*

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Happy Dragon
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posted November 23, 2007 03:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NAM
re**Bit down. **

at this moment in time .. the Moon is aspecting .. by square .. your natal Mars ..
( in effect for about half a day ) .. a pretty good transit to make one feel moody ..

over the next two days Mercury will be squaring your natal Mars ..
so you Might Feel verbally/mentally agressive or impatient .. you might Feel impatient on short journeys ..

in the longer term Jupiter is opposing your natal Moon ..
probably exaggerating any Feelings you might have .. one way or another ..

and probably much stronger in effect is Neptune conjoining by aspect your natal Mars ..
( ~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/nept.trans.bt.html ~ )
in effect since begining 2006 at least ..
after december this year it will reduce in effect ..
although at the end of 2008 it will re-apply to within one degree of your natal Mars ..
so you will probably feels its effect again .. somewhat ..

at the back of those .. i.e. in the background ..
you and your generational group have a Pluto square natal Pluto transit

those are all in very close orb .. i.e. the effect will be Felt strongly ..

btw: that Jupiter transit to your Moon .. will be felt aproximately untill the end of this month ..

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NAM
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posted November 23, 2007 04:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahhhh, thanks for the hot chocolate.

I'll be fine.

edit:Thanks HP, I just noticed you wrote too.
Is a bit more than the moon since it is something I have no control over.But I am sure that is adding to teh equation,somehow.

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BlueRoamer
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posted November 23, 2007 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even if astrology is complete nonsense it gives us a good symbol/language system to describe people, life changes, personalities, relatinoships etc..

That's how I look at it anyway.

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NAM
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posted November 23, 2007 04:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't mean to offend anyone (BTW) It was an impulse post from a thread I read at the soul unions forum.

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Happy Dragon
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posted November 23, 2007 04:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re** astrolgy .. Why do we waste so much time with it? **

if astrology could predict when one's children are likely to behave in a moody and agressive manner
over a priod of a few days .. would that be a waste of time ???
astrology can easily do that .. and more ..
it all depends on what one Expects from astrology ..
as a mood predictor .. it works fine ..
as for Accuracy .. well that will depend on the Interpreter .. not the planetary setup ..
if one Observes on how the planetary transits ( for example) effect ones own behaviour ..
then .. imho .. it does not become a waste of time ..

if one blatantly accepts all that's written about astrology .. without discrimination ..
then .. maybe it becomes a waste of time ..

an example ..
take one hermit living in a cave .. isolated from other human beings ..
said hermit has a transit to their natal chart which might be interpreted as ..
" you are about to meet the love of your life "
( i.e. an interp from the 'magazine column ' generalised type of astrology or similar )
well unless that hermit gets out and socialises with others ..
it be hardly likely that they will meet anyone .. never mind the 'love of their life" ..
although .. they might internally feel that that's a possibilty ..

btw: for observational purposes ..
right now Mars is sextiling my natal Mercury ..
and is about 5 degrees from conjuncting my ascendant ..
( seems to effecting my neighbours' kids as well ..
( as they've running wild about their house since yesterday
( i'm not far from plugging in a guitar .. and turning the volume up
( and showing them just what an augmented ninth chord with a flattened seventh sounds like .. :-)))
( for an example of that .. listen to the current last posted mp3 list here ..
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012554-2.html ~

although to be fair to other neighbours and my own well being ..
i shall curb such behaviour .. :-)

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted November 23, 2007 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi NAM,

I'm about to walk out the door out of town. Just wanted to say I hope you're feeling better soon and I think that Jupiter opposite Moon, if it's exact, should offer you some reward energy, hopefully. Take good care, and have your special buddy make you a delicious omelette.

Geocosmic Valentine

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Happy Dragon
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posted November 23, 2007 05:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re:
** I didn't mean to offend anyone (BTW) It was an impulse post from a thread I read at the soul unions forum.**
i doubt if anyone would be offended by that .. .. well hopefully not ..

given what some folks might expect from astrology .. then yes .. it could be seen as a waste of time ..
i.e. they could be wasting their time looking to astrology for that 'fated meeting' in the future ..
e.g. questions like "when will i find love" based on astrology ..

to me .. astrology in the main .. is a reflection of a persons inner psyche ..
.. not some sort of fortune telling ..
if someone would expect it to be fortune telling .. then yeah .. they're probably wasting their time ..
one may as well toss a coin to find answers ..

as it is .. many posts seem to be snapshot expression of how the poster is feeling at the time ..
so it's ( the post ) more of a reflection on how the astrological influences are making them feel ..

and re some postings .. i rekon one might take into account the poster could be somewhat drunk ..
or their motivations for posting in the first place might be suspect ..
e.g. see this thread .. by ~ newyork/mantoinette ~
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/002986.html ~
i mean after reading that .. who in their right mind will believe anything that k.flake might post again ..
( they might even return with a genuine 'help' request .. who's going to give them of their time .. i know i won't )

and in the name of 'astrology self education' i might suggest posters look at their own current transit setup ..
i.e. when they post .. and maybe reflect on how they are reacting to any transits ..
i reckon it be a good way to learn about some aspects of astrology ..

and another thing ..
an astrologer cannot really help much without information from the person asking the questions ..
it's suprising how many people expect answers from a chart alone ..
in all probability .. they would be better off going to see a psychic / medium ..

be a bit like computing .. garbage in .. equals garbage out ..
no information input means no information output ..
misleading information input equals .. misinformation output ..
.. something like that .. :-)
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NAM
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posted November 23, 2007 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the "things" to think about.(all of you)

I feel better.

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Happy Dragon
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posted November 23, 2007 06:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just a thought .. and i'd been thinking about starting a thread on this .. i.e. a 'research' type thread
regarding music and art .. i.e. playing an instrument or creating some artwork of some nature ..

i think most musicians or artists of some nature have their up and down days ..
e.g. somedays guitar playing goes well .. other days it falls flat on its face .. fumble fingers and the like ..
i've noticed .. but not documented .. certain transits which either help or hinder ..
well mainly the ones that have that .. 'feel good factor .. my guitar playing is going well today' ..
and or .. 'i feel creative and can express it well and my fingers are co-operating with the fretboard '

so .. what IF one could predict to a group of musicians a good and rewarding time to rehearse or jam ..
or create new musical pieces .. write a song .. etc .. ?

if that were the case .. then one could be of value as an astrolger for aspiring musicians and bands ..
i.e. in planning their musical get togethers and such ..
and if that were the case .. then one could possibly earn some money as a planning advisor ..
and .. that would not be a waste of time .. not if it were to earn one some cash and astrological credibilty ..
.. especially the cash ..
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some astrolgers have earned pretty good wages from advising about financial ventures ..
e.g. i don't know the astrolgers name .. but the 'body shop' employed one ..
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and btw: .. i wouldn't totally disregard other aspects of astrology ..
for instance .. i'd be willing to bet .. a good astrolger might have predicted the potential of this ..
i.e. by looking at the launch date for the The M/S Explorer ..
~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/7108835.stm ~
" The M/S Explorer is now lying on its side close to the South Shetland Islands, in the Antarctic Ocean. "
interesting to note it was described on the news this eve as being marketed as "the Shackelton cruise"
( ~ http://www.south-pole.com/p0000097.htm ~ )
40 years was mentioned in connection with that cruise ship .. or maybe the cruise company ( i didn't quite catch the details ) and that time period would possibly connect to a transit from Uranus ..

just thinking about that one after reading an astrological article on the sinking of the Titanic ..
it was reckoned .. by the author .. that ..
no astrologer .. in-the-know .. would have travelled on board that ship at that time ..
the captains chart was aslo looked at ..
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just been outside .. .. icy cold temps. .. clear sky .. and a full moon ..

btw: i've got a funny and musicaly interesting trak lined up for posting at some stage .. from frank zappas' 'live at the roxy' concert .. it's titled "cheapness" and its about old horror movies ..

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NAM
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posted November 23, 2007 06:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I think of creation/inspiration I don't think of it as being predicted but as something that is born from an emotion.
I think if it was predisposed then it would be fake, who is to take the credit in this case? I would hate to say the planets have the credit for me coming up with this beautiful melody, I don't know, it might be an ego thing but the thought turns me off.

Have you thought about that? it almost gives me a "pressure" I don't want to carry around.

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Thethirdbenjamin
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posted November 23, 2007 06:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always find that astrology is 9/10 times right, nothing is ever 100% in this world anyway.

So there will be times when it can be off, but theres a higher possiblity of it being right.

I rember it was predicted i whould have met my soul mate last summer, turns out durring the same time i was suppose to get a dog.

So it wasn't exactly right there were some varables, but the fact that i whould be expecting someone or something into my life was true.

I just find that as long as you expect something related to it to happen you won't be disapointed, otherwise if you expect it to be 100% dead on your asking to be dispointed.

I find it helps to explain and give hints and clues on somethings.

Sorry, i think that was a gemini kind of answer.

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Happy Dragon
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posted November 23, 2007 07:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ NAM ~
re ** When I think of creation/inspiration I don't think of it as being predicted etc **

no .. i didn't mean it that way ..
there are times when it flows well .. and there are times when it doesn't ..
e.g. does your guitar playing always work out well ?? and goes 'forward' so to speak
are there not times when it's better or not so good .. ?? and one feels stuck in a rut ??
and .. are there not times when group activities work out well ..
and other times when they don't ..

i didn't mean the planets should take the credit
i simply meant there are times when those activities go smoothly ..
and times when they don't ..

just like moods .. they are changable no ??
( my cancerian ascendant answer ?? :-)

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Happy Dragon
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posted November 23, 2007 08:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ NAM ~
try this .. ( just a suggestion :-)
from the 26th of the month till the 28th ..
venus will be trining your natal mars ..
see how any sort of creative activity works out for you ..

from the 1st dec. untill the 11th ..
venus will square your natal uranus ..
pick up your guitar 'n see how it works out ..

those are just ideas .. i've no idea as to the result ..

next time it goes well for me .. i.e. when i'm playing better than normal ..
i'll make a note of my transits ..
and then maybe some conclusions can start to be formulated ..

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** .. but as something that is born from an emotion. **
well .. yes .. agreed ..
but .. transits effect ones emotions ..

( in addition )
methinks the subject could do with a separate thread ..
with observations from the musical and artistic know flakes ..
it would mean observing ones transits over a period of time ..
if folks were to post for example ..
" today/this week .. was great from an artistic endeavor point of view" ..
i don't mind noting and documenting the transits to their charts ..
could make an interesting study .. possibly ??

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NAM
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posted November 23, 2007 11:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
no .. i didn't mean it that way ..
there are times when it flows well .. and there are times when it doesn't ..
e.g. does your guitar playing always work out well ?? and goes 'forward' so to speak
are there not times when it's better or not so good .. ?? and one feels stuck in a rut ??
and .. are there not times when group activities work out well ..
and other times when they don't ..

i didn't mean the planets should take the credit
i simply meant there are times when those activities go smoothly ..
and times when they don't ..

just like moods .. they are changable no ??
( my cancerian ascendant answer ?? :-)



Yes, you are right; I had better times than others when I was playing.
I don't know, you might be up to something.

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NAM
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posted November 23, 2007 11:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
~ NAM ~
try this .. ( just a suggestion :-)
from the 26th of the month till the 28th ..
venus will be trining your natal mars ..
see how any sort of creative activity works out for you ..
from the 1st dec. untill the 11th ..
venus will square your natal uranus ..
pick up your guitar 'n see how it works out ..

those are just ideas .. i've no idea as to the result ..

next time it goes well for me .. i.e. when i'm playing better than normal ..
i'll make a note of my transits ..
and then maybe some conclusions can start to be formulated ..

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** .. but as something that is born from an emotion. **
well .. yes .. agreed ..
but .. transits effect ones emotions ..

( in addition )
methinks the subject could do with a separate thread ..
with observations from the musical and artistic know flakes ..
it would mean observing ones transits over a period of time ..
if folks were to post for example ..
" today/this week .. was great from an artistic endeavor point of view" ..
i don't mind noting and documenting the transits to their charts ..
could make an interesting study .. possibly ??


I haven't played in months but I am do to start playing again, give me about a week or so to get back into it.
The idea still turns me off but it would be interesting to know.

First I need to figure out my transits.

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posted November 24, 2007 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really believe it's off by a few days or weeks. It's been accurate but like I said, it seems the timing is off. Otherwise, it's very specific and in line with predictions.

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