posted November 28, 2007 10:01 PM            

me thinks bigtime karma???

and maybe you two were eachother's parents in previous lifetimes...or some other kind of close bonded relationship.

and have come back together to correct something.

i have a 15 yr old aqua daughter who was born during my first saturn return. i have always had to laugh as i have noticed and others as well when we quarrel, we do so like an old married couple!!! we tease back and forth that she was the man and i was the women, in a past life, then things happen that make it seem the other way around, like she cooking dinner and me hauling wood or fixing something around the house.

i have never looked at our saturn synastry before, but i just did. our saturns are conj in aqua, within 2 deg. my saturn conj her merc within 1 deg and my saturn conj her sun within 6 deg. her moon is conj my saturn within 7 deg.

i was once told by a gifted psychic i had spent a previous life in denver colorado around 1865. my daughter, since she was very small, has been so intrigued with the civil war, and was born with a severe heart defect...maybe she was shot in the civil war and i ended up in denver....who knows!

posted November 29, 2007 12:07 AM            

I just had a REALLY weird dream last night and it involved the guy I talked about earlier and when I woke up it dawned on me. He was being so hesitant because I wasn't being positive or nice for that matter. I mean I wasn't being mean either, but when I flirt with guys and get to know them I usually make fun of them, make small jabs, and the ones who can take it stay, and the ones who can't leave, and thats fine because its sort of a "weeding" out process. The interesting thing is when I met him and was attached I was really nice to him and really easy going, and that may have been what attracted him to me. But once I was single again, the stakes were higher so I panicked and tried to protect myself by making fun of him - even if it was intended to be humorous.

Usually I don't care much who gets "cut" in the weeding out process but for some reason this time I felt bad about not being "positive and nice." I think because my mom has been harping on me about being more positive in general and I've been trying to work on it but have been failing.

If its true that Saturn doesn't want us to keep doing what we've been doing if its not good or healthy, then maybe that's why this particular person showed up at that particular time.

I don't see myself running into him again, or taking the initiative.. especially because I might have actually hurt his feelings - I'd just feel like a tool if I tried to initiate anything. But I DO have more motivation to stop using defenses like being mean or making fun of people as a way to "flirt" and weed people out.

posted November 30, 2007 06:02 PM              

In my longest and most serious relationship (which lasted nine years, was "marriage-like") SATURN played a heavy role.

We had the following SATURN-aspects:

His SATURN
... square my SUN
... square my MARS
... opp. my JUPITER
... trine my LILITH

These aspects work as if they were "binding" me to him, made me feel very responsible for him; I am sure that I acted more mature with that guy than I ever did before in a relationship. We made a serious commitment to each other, but sometimes he was like a "wet blanket" to me / to my dreams / to my future plans. He became more and more a "stick in the mud" for me, he "brought me down", I also had to pay for many things in our life together, sometimes I was pushed into a parent- or nurses's role - and finally I decided to go "my own way", to live up to my full capacities, to "emancipate" and free myself - and I left him, after almost a decade. (No regrets on that, never! It was much harder for him.)

We also had my SATURN opposition his NEPTUNE.

And this one came out as well: In the early stages of our relationship (after 1.5 years) he had betrayed me with another woman. I never "searched" for any signs of betrayal - but it all came out one day. It hurt me a lot - and I discovered his lying-capacities, his potential for deceit and cheating. He was "unmasked" by me, in a way ... That gave me a certain "moral supremacy" ... and it made me "look down" on him for a while. I couldn't take him all too serious, afte all. He had some cowardesque traits, that I never was able to forget after that.

posted December 01, 2007 06:30 AM              

I have in 1st house in Aries

n node 17'
saturn 18'
moon 19'
venus 21'

and anyone l go out with of my age always has their saturn in aries conjunct all of the above!!!!!!

Drives me crazy... also l am inexplicably drawn to men with Aries prominent in their charts
grrrrr

posted December 02, 2007 10:03 AM            

I'd be very curious to hear more about your experience with the venus-saturn double whammy because I also have it with someone who I just can't get out of my mind....But has been impossible to get a relationship off the ground with. Everything feels very blocked, but at the same time like a very strong 'fated' connection. Extreme difficulties of showing my feelings and making myself vulnerable. No idea whether he also feels the magnetic attraction.

posted December 02, 2007 04:11 PM            

I find this all very interesting and I now am thinking that I am drawn to men who have their Venus or Sun aspecting my Saturn or vice-versa and I think this might be because they represent a challenge of some sort? It was not easy getting into a relationship with them for one reason or another and that drew me to continue to stay involved to see where it was going.

But with people I don't have Saturn aspects with or who I have Mar/Neptune aspects with I played along for a while if there was romantic interest but ultimately those people became friends...

posted December 02, 2007 04:20 PM            

He called later in the night and apologized that he had been bothering me so long but didn't know it. I apologized for going off on him, but he said, "oh no thats fine, you know I have tough skin. You can yell at me anytime."

And thats when I realized why we were able to start a relationship despite my "weeding out" process. All of my antics in the beginning didn't phase him, whereas with other men it makes them turn around and start running! I'm still not sure how to take this seeing that I'm not sure that I could or would want to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't have thick skin?

posted December 02, 2007 08:06 PM            

I was wondering though after reading through your post and Anna's, do you guys have an issue with vulnerability? What is the roadblock to taking your attraction to the next level? Are you waiting for the other person to bring it up? Are there instances you find yourself subconciously making sure they won't pursue you? For me, I wrote an email to mine insinuating that he should hit on other women and leave me alone. I said it in a humorous manner but it was definitely a way of me staying "safe."

posted December 03, 2007 01:57 PM            

ScrpnBliss,

yes, I think my venus in capricorn and saturn in 1st definitely makes me very cautious and afraid of becoming vulnerable. HOWEVER, I would say that with other men it's always been still on a 'normal' level. Very different with this man, my self-protection is off the chart. I just cant help but fear he'll reject me, thoughts I'm not good enough etc. etc. bogged down our interaction right from the start.

" What is the roadblock to taking your attraction to the next level? Are you waiting for the other person to bring it up?"
I think the roadblock is, again the fear of rejection which blocked our communication and actions right from the start. And this fear of rejection (at least on my side) was fuelled by him not really pursuing me. Yes, hints of interest here or there. But never, that I could be completely sure he is REALLY interested.

I think if he had been very direct with his interest from the start the situation would have never developed into the kind of impass we have now. I had met this guy at a conference and we had a great conversation there. We just clicked and he did seem interested.....but as in your case, he didnt make a move....no suggestion to meet up again. I gave him my card (he is still a phd student, I already had a great career then)and told him he should contact me if he had further questions. He did contact me to say thanks for the info, but that he wasnt sure the career was for him. But that he was very happy to have met me.But no questions, no nothing to open a conversation or suggest a date. So right from the start, I wasnt sure whether he was just being polite. This insecurity then triggered my very cold business response which in turn determined his response and so on and so for.

Are there instances you find yourself subconciously making sure they won't pursue you? For me, I wrote an email to mine insinuating that he should hit on other women and leave me alone. I said it in a humorous manner
but it was definitely a way of me staying "safe." "

posted December 03, 2007 06:32 PM            

But you know, I was thinking about how things played out with my last relationship and there is something to be said about all this resistance in the beginning. I don't know what it is but the back and forth, after being played out for a while almost takes on an element of stability if that makes sense? Maybe then after a while you are finally meant to enter a relationship and it feels comfortable? Like coming home?

posted December 09, 2007 10:30 AM            

Since we are talking about saturn relationships, I would like the opinion of knowflakes. There are different opinions of this topic that you will read everywhere.

If there are a lot of saturn contacts in synastry-who owes the karmic debt more? the saturn or planet person? I have examined the charts of some friends and it seems that the planets person has control over the saturn person in most instances. maybe this is unusual because i have heard that saturn calls the shots.

Is the debt mutal with mutal DW's and saturn? If that the case, nothing seems to get resolved because everything seems to result in a stalemate. so how is the debt ever repaid. In most cases of DW's in saturn i have discovered intense attraction between the people and total statemate at the same time.