posted December 09, 2007 03:18 PM            

I have had a off and on situation with a sag guy for about the past year or so. I always got the impression that he felt very deeply for me as much as I did for him...yet there was soooo much resistance to form a relationship with him. I didn't even really want something super serious...but the air of the relationship was that it was serious. And of course his sag moon (which I thought with the saturn/moon conjuction would be able to handle...but the uranus/moon conjunction couldn't handle it either) would run away from anything that was too serious...and stopped being fun.

The nature of our relationship would be I would tell him how I feel...and then he would say he felt nothing no emotions. Or he didn't return the way I felt. Then I would distance myself from him...and he would seek to get closer to me...and he would get as close as possible to where he was comfortable. Then he would need a break because he was starting to feel things he didn't want to feel. And then he would push me away. It was an ongoing saga of this. With me always wondering why couldn't he just stop fighting his feelings.

Clearly in the composite cap moon, I was the moon person and he was the saturn person. I accepted how I felt and he being the saturn person was very non expressive about feelings.

He was just so hesitant to date me, or let me go from his life. At least I thought so. It was even hard for him to say things like "I miss you." The relationship it's self also had a lot of neptune placements...but the saturn made it much better and less likely to get caught up in the fog of neptune.

posted December 12, 2007 01:28 PM            

I'm usually pretty passive when it comes to making friends with people and even in the initial stages of courtship. But recently, I don't know what it is. I just feel the need to march out and create opportunities for myself and not be so worried about the outcome. A lot of what keeps me, and I think a lot of people, from putting myself out there to people, even if its just for friendship, is the whole ego drive to be liked, never wrong, etc.

But ego aside, what's wrong with wanting to get to know another person? No matter where it leads?

posted December 18, 2007 04:24 PM            

I'm curious, what are the saturn aspects you two have in your synastry? Also, was it a matter of him ignoring/avoiding you initially?

posted December 18, 2007 11:12 PM              

I'm curious, what are the saturn aspects you two have in your synastry? Also, was it a matter of him ignoring/avoiding you initially?"

Hi annaf,

He was not avoiding me initially..in fact, he was just the opposite. He pursued me full force! I had absolutely no doubt that he wanted me..I needed that because I don't like being vulnerable, so I think his consistent pursuit of me was what helped me open up quicker than normal.
When we both started developing strong feelings, I felt myself opening up and him closing (out of fear?)...it became a push/pull effect. I let him know that I wanted him, but I felt he was holding back. He would never admit to me if it was out of fear, but I got the feeling that he thought I would hurt him. One thing about the hard aspect s is that it does make you appreciate each other a whole lot more because of all you go through to be together. We have both felt strongly drawn and bound to each other since the beginning. I have never felt this way w/anyone.
I read your friend had the same issue w/ his girlfriend...how did they finally get their relationship going?

Our aspects are:
My Sun trine His Saturn
My Venus conjunct His Saturn
My Venus opposite His Saturn
My Moon sextile His Saturn
My Mars trine His Saturn

My Saturn trine His N. Node

posted December 19, 2007 05:22 AM            

You asked how my friend finally got the relationship off the ground..after 4 years? Well he is one of the closest friend of his now girlfriend's sister. This way the kept seeing each other despite them living in different countries. However, I dont think it was these geographic barriers that kept them from getting together earlier. He had lots of issues with his self-confidence reg. her. She was just the woman of his dreams and he kept telling himself, he wasnt good enough. Even though objectively speaking it really isnt easy to see why. He is a great guy, good looking funny, everyone loves him and particularly women have been falling at his feet. However, with HER he didnt see all that. He just considered her completely out of his league...which was nonsense. She was/is very pretty etc. but from an everyone else's point of view his thinking really was a mystery....her saturn opposes his sun, his mercury and his venus.....

posted December 19, 2007 05:10 PM              

annaf, I think that was (is) the issue w/ my Scorp too..one time he told me that I'm "too good" for him. Just like your friend, he has girls flocking to him so he's never felt this way w/ another girl. He has such a beautiful heart, always willing to help out a friend in need; it boggles my mind how I could see it, yet he couldn't. He's very modest when it comes to himself. Could be that Venus opp Saturn for us, too. There were times where I felt we were NEVER going to happen, and it tore my heart to shreds because I was developing such strong feelings. I think sometimes he still thinks I'm out of his league, which is ridiculous in my eyes...he is so confident about everything else, yet he told me that sometimes he feels intimidated by me. Must be that darned Saturn aspect! He has Sag venus which I think held us back from forming a relationship in the beg too; he doesn't commit easily but then again neither do I. I thk with the Saturn oppositions, it's all about the timing. It takes longer to get a relationship off the ground, but when it happens IT HAPPENS and it's long-lasting!

His chart:
Sun Scorpio
Moon Sag
Venus Sag
Mars Aries
Mercury Scorpio
This man def goes after what he wants!

ANy progress w/ the man in your life? What are his aspects?

posted December 20, 2007 08:45 AM            

"ANy progress w/ the man in your life? What are his aspects?"

No progress, it's looking grim, I've pretty much given up. Havent seen him for months, so I invited him to my party beg. of December. I sent out a mass invitation, he didnt respond to that at all..Only when I enquired directly wiht him did I get a response....I know he's not at the easiest stage of his life (only just finished his phd and desperately looking for a job). But not even responding to my invitation I thought was still quite bad...There's no way to talk this up.

He's a pisces rising
Sun Aquarius (12th house)
Moon Gemini (3rd/4th)
Mercury Capricorn (11th)
Venus Capricorn (11th)
Mars gemini (3rd)
Jupiter aries (1st)
Saturn Cancer (5th)
Neptune saggit. (9th)
Uranus scorpio (8th)
Pluto libra (7th)

posted December 21, 2007 01:41 PM            

I noticed that you have like him your moon and mars in the 3rd house. Are they conjunct by any chance? And how do you experience this placement in your 3rd house?

posted December 23, 2007 12:29 AM              

Yes, my moon does conjunct my mars. ..it makes me very passionate, and very sexual. My emotions are very intense; so intense sometimes that it overwhelms me. I hate routine, need excitement and variety more than most..it also makes me impatient to the point where I can feel my blood boiling, lol and also restless. I have a strong need to communicate my problems in any kind of relationship; I find that communicating helps me to sort out my feelings. With my mars in the 3rd, at times I do suffer from foot in mouth disease. I hate that! It also makes me blunt, no beating around the bush here as I'm too impatient for that and direct.
Nice to see your a fellow Venus - I think it may take you both a little longer than the norm to start a relationship because of the extra caution this placement gives you..this may add to the relationship taking a long time to get off the ground and you have a double case here. On the good side, you have similar views on love so this can def help.

posted June 29, 2008 10:57 PM              

my moon Trines his Pluto,
my Venus Opposites his Pluto,
my Mars Sextiles his Pluto,
my Pluto Trines his Jupiter.

It seems these planet contact are hard,I'm a Aries, these rise my native courage that I want to fight it . But i feel my herat hurt again and again...when I force ,he hold back ,just the same scenario play as people mentioned here. I 'm not sure what his true feeling about me? Some times I feel I 'm the only one sit in the seesaw....we are together just 2 months ,recently he told me he can't give me the same as I give to him,so he wants us go back to be friendship. he start hold back again ..

posted June 30, 2008 02:31 AM              

My Saturn conjuncts his Sun
My Saturn opposes his Moon
My Saturn trines his Jupiter
My Saturn conjuncts his Saturn (well, we are pratically the same age so nvm)

My Saturn conjuncts his Neptune (DW)
My Saturn opposes his Chiron (DW)!!!
My Saturn trines his Amor

His Saturn squares my Jupiter
His Saturn squares my Vertex
His Saturn conjuncts my MC (mid heaven?)

posted July 01, 2008 08:46 PM              

[Upon her learning that there is YET ANOTHER obstacle to their being together...]

Her: I don't know if I can do this anymore. Did you ever even want us to be together?

Him: Yes, but I'm a realist.

Her: Are you a realist or are you just too afraid? You always see the problems, but I have always been willing to take the risk.

Him: I want to give you an answer, but I want it to be the truth. The truth is, I don't know, and you are right.

Her: The truth is that I have more feelings for you than you do for me. I don't say that to make you feel bad, it's just a fact.

Him: Maybe I have done this all wrong and I'm sorry. But I do love you in my way. Maybe it's not the same way you love me.

Her: I don't know if I can still spend time with you. When I do, I think of you too much and that isn't good for me. Now my heart is just hurting.

Him: Well, sleep on it and tell me yes or no. You know I still want to spend time with you.

[Sleeps on it...and after a tear-filled night...]

Her: Okay, I still want to spend time with you, but I don't want to think of you so much. So, we will be together only one time per week and we will agree to the date and time beforehand. (Thinking: after everything he has put me through, how can he not agree to this???)

Him: I can't agree with that. I hope this doesn't make you say no, but I can't schedule time with you like a business meeting. I'm sure I love you, even if maybe you love me more. This is not easy for me, either. I am not angry...never at you! But just say yes or no...everything else is like kindergarten, and that's not for us.

Her: [stunned... indignant... secretly pleased...]*sigh* Fine.

Saturn in Synastry:
Her - - - - - Him
Saturn - - - - Moon - - Conjunct 2 deg *
Saturn - - - - Mercury - Semi-sext 2 deg
Saturn - - - - Venus - - Square 0 deg
Saturn - - - - Jupiter - Opposed 5 deg
Saturn - - - - Neptune - Opposed 2 deg
Saturn - - - - Pluto - - Trine 2 deg
Saturn - - - - Vertex - - Quincunx 0 deg
Sun - - - - - Saturn - - Sesquisq 2 deg
Jupiter -- - - Saturn - - Quincunx 1 deg
Uranus - - - Saturn - - Quincunx 2 deg
Pluto - - - - Saturn - - Sesquisq 3 deg
Vertex - - - Saturn - - Sesquisq 0 deg

* her saturn natally conjunct moon, his moon natally conjunct saturn...her moon-saturn conjunction also conjunct his ASC, 0 deg

Saturn in Composite:
Conjunct Moon --- 8 deg
Square Sun* ----- 2 deg
Square Mercury*-- 4 deg
Square Venus*---- 6 deg
Square Mars* ---- 4 deg
Square Eros* ---- 6 deg
Opposed Neptune-- 8 deg
Trine Pluto ----- 5 deg

* Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Eros are all conjunct (stellium in Aquarius in the 11th house, sitting alongside the NN)