posted November 27, 2007 06:52 PM              

I'm just tired of thinking of people in terms of labels aka their "signs".
I'm tired of rushing to Abacus Astrology to "dissect" a person's character the moment they interest me.

It just makes the divinity of human character and personality seem so..... predictable and systematic.

posted November 27, 2007 07:10 PM            

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People are much more than their natal chart!!

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Generally I just heave a deep **sigh** and try not to get involved with the shallowness of items like this:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015611.html

It's SO much more complex and nuanced than "(**fill in planet**) in (**fill in sign**) are (**fill in derogatory or lame adjective and noun**)."

I don't even necessarily believe that orbiting balls of gas and rock in the sky **cause** me to DO or FEEL anything -- but since there have been correlations between planetary position/aspects and what's going on in my life (hands-on personal experience), then I accede that there is some sort of interrelationship.....

Perhaps this explains it mathematically/scientifically:

"Superstring theory and other esoteric advances in physics….are revealing that our reality is embedded in a much more expansive, higher-dimensional realm of pure energy – or pure spirit….
The discovery of quantum nonlocality – the ability of particles to exert subtle influences on each other instantaneously across vast distances – is confirming the ancient mystical teaching that all things are profoundly interconnected. Quantum nonlocality might also explain extrasensory perception…. As well as the miraculous healing that results from prayer and other spiritual practices."

~ From "Rational Mysticism" by John Horgan

Actually I prefer to think of Astrology as an interesting map of the psyche.....

"I am always left with the feeling that if you only approach the issue of relationship in a technical way, by just comparing two charts or drawing up a composite chart, or any of the other range of techniques that we have, then some very fundamental, very important points get lost. To me, the thing that gets lost is the fact that every relationship contains an element of mystery that ultimately can't be defined, can't be explained. The essence of human interchange is like the essence of the person, and the essence of the person is not in the horoscope. I don't think we will ever find it in the horoscope. Bear in mind the fact that the chart you have in front of you could easily be that of a chicken, or of the opera society, for there is nothing in the chart that demonstates that it's human. But something works thru it which is uniquely the individual soul or individuality of the person. I believe this applies also to interchange between two people. The acknowledgement of some kind of mystery, some god at work, I believe is terribly important, because without that, all your techniques leave you, in the end, with unanswered questions."

~ From Liz Greene

"Human beings are not signs of the zodiac, and astrology neither reveals nor determines the quality of our consciousness. The expresson of our charts is largely a function of our maturity, rather than the other way around. Our species is chock full of human beings who are mired in seemingly permanent adolescence, no matter what their age or elevation in culture."

~ From Bill Herbst: http://www.billherbst.com/

Thanks for the opportunity to vent a little

posted November 27, 2007 07:18 PM            

Astrology is a really great tool for expanding our (inter)personal awareness but I also think we each have to learn our line and then not cross it. What I mean is that it's not hard for some of us to get obsessed with the idea of this total understanding of people (or another person).

The manner in which someone is raised, the choices they make and how they integrate their experiences is such a large part of what makes a person who they are.

I have fallen into this trap before and when
I do, I back off a bit and remember exactly what you said Aquafaery: People are more than their charts. The charts are just a guide, or another way to understand people. I sort of think of it like psychology. It can be such a subjective study of people but it can also be very helpful when you keep it all in perspective.

posted November 27, 2007 09:18 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted November 27, 2007 11:41 PM              

Definitely.

When I first came to LL, I was really excited about the Astrology forum, and was so blown away by the intrinsic knowledge some people possessed.

Now... ***yawn***

I am more adept at an intuitive approach to astrology, and I do utterly love the current forecasts and certain aspect definitions that many people post (thanks, 'Zala!!)

The minute people start blabbering "well, in synastry, my Apollo semisextiles his Chiron, and when its in the 10th house, yadda yadda yadda."

Really? Have you even had a conversation with this person yet?

I got burned out with the asteroid posts, the "why doesn't he love me our synastry is great!!" posts, the "which sign is prettier" posts.

I got really sick of people justifying the mean, horrid things they would say to each other here by using astrology.

Its not all the fault of LL, but I just lost interest in astrology because this was where I had the biggest outlet to indulge in it.

Whew, ok, I am ranting, sorry.

Its gotten much better as of late.

I love LL because the people are awesome and this club has the best music (check out FFA.)

peace....

posted November 28, 2007 01:17 AM              

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I just don't understand why everybody has to make it an absolute like it's a religion or something. It's not even mystical or supernatural in my estimation. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it's not natural. We didn't understand gravity for a long timebut it's recognized as universal law now.
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posted November 28, 2007 06:45 AM            

You're right on.

My personality loves learning. I have a tendency to overindulge in info when I want to learn about something and, of course, only have myself and people I know as a frame of reference to put it into a test in my world. I will do this until I'm saturated in it (whether it be astrology or something else) and then I hit a point where I know "I'm done."

I usually walk away, go cold turkey, and then start to "edit." Some things that I've learned I'll find are completely relevant in my life. Others I find aren't applicable, interesting, or true. So once things are filtered out, I'll decide whether it's worth "going back for more" or if "it's been fun, but I'm done...for good."

In terms of us being defined by our planets, I think that this:

"Actually I prefer to think of Astrology as an interesting map of the psyche....."

quote by Zala sums it up.

Z and a few people know of some of the crazy spiritual experiences I've had in my life. I can look at astrology or transits as an additional piece of info, but I still own my experience. I have had people here tell me that things in my life aren't "valid" because I didn't have such-and-such an aspect. I think it's kind of funny that anyone can be so presumptuous. Not that they knew my experience, but I take this kind of thing with a grain of salt. I don't let anyone or anything (such as astrology) validate or invalidate my own life story and neither should anyone else.

On the positive side, I think that astrology can help us be more tolerant sometimes. I can laugh when a person I butt heads with has a certain aspect that they seem to personify. It helps me to remember that it's only one fragment of their being, and lightens me up a bit.

8th

posted November 28, 2007 08:05 AM            

That said, although I think astrologers are "on to something," I by no means believe that astrology holds all the answers. There are so many other options to take into account and we can't all be right. Or maybe we can?! Until I meet my maker and get shown the truth (if there even is one) I will always keep an open mind and treat astrology as a bit of fun that often excites me with it's accuracy!

posted November 29, 2007 03:23 AM              

Well...Quit and LEAVE !!!!!!

Go Away...No one here seems to be forcing anyone to "Believe" in astrology (UMM, except me anyway (LOL)

I'm doin' my best to make EVERYONE believe EXACTLY as I do...If U don't like it, then LEAVE!!!!!

Quit your bitchin' and GO AWAY...FAR AWAY, to the part of the internet that DOESN'T believe in astrology!!!!!!

It's not a hard choice really !!!!

I just thought I'd point it out to you, as you seem to have neglected the OBVIOUS answer to your supposed dillemma

posted November 29, 2007 10:37 PM              

hey, etheric,
just a suggestion ~

posted November 29, 2007 11:27 PM              

get over yourself.

posted November 29, 2007 11:55 PM            

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It just makes the divinity of human character and personality seem so..... predictable and systematic.

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It reminded me of when I first took a film class. Afterward, for a long time, I couldn't watch movies without seeing the technical aspects. I saw it through the eyes of a critic or filmmaker, and that took away a lot of the magic of movies. Same thing with studying writing and then reading literature. The more direct experience of mind to mind contact doesn't occur b/c the stimulus--whether it's a movie or other human being--gets filtered through an analysis.

Astrology, like any set of interpretive rules, can help you see things you wouldn't otherwise see. So in that way it can expand your interpretation of other people, but it also feels very restrictive because it's only one method for understanding people. People can be understood through so many other ways, that relying heavily on astrology limits how we understand them, and thereby limits who they are. And like you said, people are so much more than their natal charts.

I guess the key is balance. Understanding that astrology is just one way to understand, and that if it's overused, then it does reduce someone else to just their natal chart.

posted November 30, 2007 05:21 PM              

It's good to take a break, step back once you realize this is impossible and unecessary. Sometimes we forget that and get frustrated when we cant find out all the "answers".

posted December 01, 2007 03:53 AM              

Belgz!! Where are you? Perhaps you could enlighten us all with one of your famous "What Sign has the Biggest C@(k " threads. ( sure to get 300 responses no doubt!!!!!)

Perhaps that might better soothe the skeptical minds,than any sort of intelligent/analytical/somewhat rational discussion of somewhat established astrological principals.

MotherKonfessor, am I supposed to get over myself?

Or are you just subconciously projecting your own need to wade in knee high trivial B.S. onto me?