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BiBi DeAngelo
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posted November 30, 2007 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok... let's roll up our sleeves and really get serious with this question... WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE USA CHART to Allow this Law being passed? being passed so animously?
Let's not just fire off comments... let's really lay down some insightful insights! :smile:

Senate Bill 1959 Represents the Greatest Loss of Personal Freedom to Date

Bill to Criminalize Thoughts, Blogs, Books and Free Speech Across America

by: Mike Adams
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/senate1959bill28nov07.shtml
November 28, 2007

Senate Bill 1959 to Criminalize Thoughts, Blogs, Books and Free Speech Across America (Nov. 28, 2007)

http://www.newstarget.com/022308.html

The end of Free Speech in America has arrived at our doorstep. It's a new law called the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, and it is worded in a clever way that could allow the U.S. government to arrest and incarcerate any individual who speaks out against the Bush Administration, the war on Iraq, the Department of Homeland Security or any government agency (including the FDA). The law has already passed the House on a traitorous vote of 405 to 6, and it is now being considered in the Senate where a vote is imminent. All over the internet, intelligent people who care about freedom are speaking out against this extremely dangerous law: Philip Giraldi at the Huffington Post, Declan McCullagh at CNET's News.com, Kathryn Smith at OpEdNews.com, and of course Alex Jones at PrisonPlanet.com

This bill is the beginning of the end of Free Speech in America. If it passes, all the information sources you know and trust could be shut down and their authors imprisoned. NewsTarget could be taken offline and I could be arrested as a "terrorist." Jeff Rense at www.Rense.com could be labeled a "terrorist" and arrested. Byron Richards, Len Horowitz, Paul Craig Roberts, Greg Palast, Ron Paul and even Al Gore could all be arrested, silenced and incarcerated. This is not an exaggeration. It is a literal reading of the law, which you can check yourself here: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml

The bill states:

‘...ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs...

Note that this means the "planned use of force to promote a political or social belief" would be considered an act of terrorism. This all hinges on the definition of "force," of course. Based on the loose use of logic in Washington these days, and the slippery interpretation of the meaning of words, "force" could mean:

• A grassroots campaign to barrage Congress with faxes
• A non-violent street protest
• A letter-writing campaign that deluges the Senate with too much mail
• A sit-in protest that blocks access to a business or organization
• A grassroots e-mail campaign that overloads the e-mail servers of any government department or agency

You get the idea. "Force" could be defined as practically anything. And since the "planned use of force" would be considered a criminal act of terrorism, anyone who simply thinks about a grassroots action campaign would be engaged in terrorist acts.

If you stopped someone on the street and handed them a Bible, for example, this could be considered an act of terrorism ("...use of force to promote the individual's religious beliefs...")

If you sent a barrage of angry letters to Washington about global warming and the destruction of the environment by the U.S. military, this could also be considered an act of terrorism ("...to promote the individual's political beliefs...")

If you believe in same-sex marriage and you wrote a letter threatning a sit-in protest in front of your state's capitol building, this could also be considered an act of terrorism, even if you never carried it out! ("...planned use of force to promote a social belief...")

The United States is on the fast track to fascism, and the Congress is working right alongside this nation's traitorous leaders to criminalize any thoughts, words or speeches that disagree with current government policies regarding war, terrorism, domestic surveillance and civil liberties. Simply speaking out against the war on Iraq could soon be labeled a crime. Merely thinking thoughts against the war on Iraq could be considered a criminal act.

Must-see video: Naomi Wolf's lecture on 10 steps to fascism
There's a video lecture you simply MUST watch. It's by Naomi Wolf, author of The End of America. She covers this topic with great elegance and a deep understanding of history. See her video on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

Click here to see her book on Amazon.com.

In her lecture and book, Naomi reveals the ten steps to fascist, then reveals how the United States of America is pursuing all ten! This S.1959 legislation, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, represents one of the ten steps to achieve a fascist state!

It is designed to squash all opposition to the State's ongoing march towards blatant fascism, where secret police and secret prisons dominate the law enforcement landscape, stripping U.S. citizens of all civil liberties and Constitutional protections.

Thoughtcrimes are about to become a reality in the United States of America, and Congress is pushing this through as quickly as possible so that each individual member of Congress can claim that he or she is "against terrorism." But this bill doesn't merely target terrorism: It targets anyone who speaks or even thinks thoughts against the U.S. federal government.

With this bill, the U.S. government is officially labeling the People of the United States as criminals. It is drawing a line in the sand and stating that from now on, it's the Government vs. the People.

If we don't stop this bill from becoming law, we are lost as a nation.

There is no turning back from tyranny once the government turns its own citizens into criminals, enforcing only the thoughts, ideas, words and speeches that it approves or tolerates. Everything is at stake here!

Take action now, or lose your freedoms forever
If you live in the U.S., it is urgent that you call your senators right now and voice your strong opposition against this extremely dangerous law.

Here are the phone numbers for the U.S. Senate switchboard:

1-877-851-6437
1-800-833-6354
1-888-355-3588
1-866-220-0044
1-866-808-0065
1-877-762-8762
1-866-340-9281
1-800-862-5530

How to do this:

1) Make sure you know the names of your Senators.
2) Call the U.S. Senate switchboard using one of the numbers above.
3) Ask to speak to the offices of your Senators.
4) Tell them you are strongly opposed to S. 1959, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act
5) Ask for their fax number.
6) Follow up your phone call with a written, signed letter that you fax to your Senators.

Stopping this bill from becoming law is the single most important thing all Americans can do right now.

If this becomes law, all free speech about health freedom, the crimes of the FDA, the crimes of the Bush Administration, America's role in global warming and any other topics could all be criminalized. YOU could be labeled a terrorist, kidnapped by government thugs, taken from your home, thrown in a secret prison, denied access to legal representation, denied due process and essentially "disappeared" into a system of such corruption and evil that it now begins to blatantly mirror Nazi Germany.

Think it couldn't happen here? It's happening right now! This is exactly how it happened in Nazi Germany. First, burn the Reichstag and blame it on the "enemy." Pass new police state laws. Disarm the people. Spread fear. Erect secret prisons and secret police. Call anyone who disagrees with you a "traitor." Control the mainstream media. Sound familiar? This is all happening right now in the United States of Amerika, and if we don't work to stop it, this nation will rapidly devolve into a fascist police state where no one is truly free.

We are but a few small steps away from it right now. All it would take is one dirty bomb in a major U.S. city. Bush would declare Martial Law and take over the National Guard. Troops on the streets. Anyone who writes a blog against the government would be arrested. Authors of "alternative" books would be kidnapped and have their books burned on the street. It could all happen at the stroke of a pen. The infrastructure for tyranny is in place right now, just waiting to be invoked.

Our best weapons: Non-violent protest and speaking the truth
How can we fight back against this onslaught of tyranny? We must use what remaining free speech freedoms we have right now to alert our fellow citizens to what's happening. We must rise up and tell the truth while urging our representatives in Washington to resist the temptation to vote for more "anti-terrorism" legislation that only works to enslave the American people.

We must use our phones, faxes, emails and blogs to rally our friends, family members and anyone who will listen to oppose these police state laws, and we must organize mass (peaceful) protests against this government that is attempting to marginalize the rights and freedoms of our People.

We must not be lulled into a sense of false security by the purveyors of hatred and fear -- the Sean Hannitys, Rush Limbaughs and Bill O'Reillys of the world. Instead, we must listen to the voices of freedom. In terms of the upcoming election for U.S. President, there is only one candidate that actually believes in freedom: Ron Paul. He needs your support to win: www.RonPaul2008.com

All the other candidates are nothing more than tyrants of different political affiliations. Ron Paul is the only candidate that truly understands the fundamentals of freedom. That's why he's the only real choice for our next President. Can you imagine what Hillary Clinton would do with the police state powers that Bush has now created? That's the danger of all laws that centralize power in Washington: It's not necessarily what today's President will do with them, but what some future President will do with them.

That's why it's never good enough to say, "Well, we intend to only apply these laws to terrorists and not to U.S. citizens at home." That may be the intention right NOW, but virtually all such laws creep into areas of enforcement for which they were never intended. Just look at the application of RICO laws which were originally designed to fight organized crime operations but are now applied to virtually anyone (and yet they are never applied to Big Pharma, which operates almost exactly like organized crime!). All these anti-terrorism laws run the danger of expanding in enforcement to the point where they are applied against the People of this country. At first, it's only illegal for "terrorists" to think thought crimes, but before long, it's illegal for anyone to think those same thoughts. That when the domestic arrests of authors, journalists, bloggers and thought leaders will kick off, and the country will plunge itself into outright tyrannical fascism.

Again, we're on the track right now. This is happening, folks. You're LIVING through an amazing chapter of history right now. You're actually witnessing the downfall of a free nation and the rise of a superpower fascist state. You're actually part of it.

When it's all over, will you look back and realize you did nothing? Or will you now take a stand against tyranny and oppose these dangerous laws and lawmakers who threaten the Constitutional freedoms of you and your children?

Mike Adams

About the author: Mike Adams is a natural health researcher and author with a strong interest in personal health, the environment and the power of nature to help us all heal He has authored more than 1,500 articles and dozens of reports, guides and interviews on natural health topics, reaching millions of readers with information that is saving lives and improving personal health around the world. Adams is an honest, independent journalist and accepts no money or commissions on the third-party products he writes about or the companies he promotes. In 2007, Adams launched EcoLEDs, a maker of super bright LED light bulbs that are 1000% more energy efficient than incandescent lights. He also launched an online retailer of environmentally-friendly products (BetterLifeGoods.com) and uses a portion of its profits to help fund non-profit endeavors. He's also a successful software entrepreneur, having founded a well known email marketing software company whose technology currently powers the NewsTarget email newsletters. Adams is currently the executive director of the Consumer Wellness Center, a 501(c)3 non-profit, and practices nature photography, Capoeira, Pilates and organic gardening. Known on the 'net as 'the Health Ranger,' Adams shares his ethics, mission statements and personal health statistics at www.HealthRanger.org

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted November 30, 2007 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bibi,

I use the 2:13 A.M. chart for the U.S.A. Transiting Neptune has been hovering around and over the 13 degree Aquarius MC since 2002. Aquarius represents freedom, Neptune represents suppression, lies, deception, sleep, poison, (homosexuality in some respects). What has been up front in the news over the last 5 years?

The lies of the Bush Administration getting us into a war with lies about WMD's.

The Administration (Condi Rice) overlooking the memo warning about the terrorist action that took place on 9/11

The debates and actualization of legalization of Gay Marriage

Don't forget that Neptune symbolizes OIL!! That's what all of this is about.

Neptune symbolizes Deception.

Remember that Nixon resigned in 1975, Neptune was square the US MC. He lied to the country about Watergate (Neptune symbolizes water and lies)

I don't want to assume that it's all about Neptune, I just wanted to point out that there are the MC represents the leadership in charge. Many of us thought that Bush would be caught in his lies and that he would have to leave office in shame and disgrace. Instead, the country has been lied to, we appear to be a shame and disgrace in the global community. Neptune symbolizes shame and scandal.

Don't forget New Orleans being washed away along with a huge portion of the center of the US being ripped up the center by hurricane Katrina. Neptune dissolves things and if that didn't look like the country was being dissolved, I don't know what does.

Lucky for us, when Nixon was discovered in his lies, the Senate finally stepped up to the plate and did the right thing. Luckily for us Nixon didn't use the military to protect himself. Will we be that lucky this time around when Pluto square Uranus at the Aries Point next year and revolution breaks out?

I believe that Bush will use the military against his own people because he hates the people and he believes that he is above the people.

In actuality, he is already using them against us.

This insite was just the tip of the iceburg of insight that I've got, I have just run out of time. Thank God Neptune is moving further away from the MC, hopefully people will start waking up from the Neptune illusions, poisons, sleeping pills that we've been dealing with.

People are really gonna wake up abruptly when Pluto dips his toes in Capricorn, I just hope it's not too late.

Geocosmic Valentine

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P.S.

My ASC and MC matches of with the US, my ASC is 8 degrees Gemini, my MC is 14 Aquarius. Talk about ego wipe-out and job vagueries that I've been experiencing over the last 5 years. It has been no picnic, that's for sure.

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NAM
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posted November 30, 2007 03:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about all the illegal alien issues we are having?
The goverment knowing that they will never be able to shut down the borders have given all this people a Tax ID number so they can keep track of them and get some tax income as well.
Creating loans, credit cards, checking accounts to acommodate these people as well.

On the one hand they give them the opportunity to create a life here and on the other hand they take away the priviledge of having a driver's license, it makes no sense to me.

Do you understand that all this is just creating more of an unbalanced society.The mortgage issues are link very much to illegal aliens as well, most your construction workers are illegals, a lot of subprimes loans where given out to house people with no social security numbers.
I like to know who the banks that made those loans are and who the real owners live.I know Banco popular and Chase were two of the big banks giving these loans out.

Now, I am not saying I am in favor or not in favor of illegals; but I am saying I am in favor of people in general and if you have such a mess of laws and rules that apply to certain sectors then obviously something like what we are experiencing now is due to happen.

Any thoughts on that?

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AcousticGod
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posted November 30, 2007 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Ascendant is 2 degrees Gemini, and my MC is 13 degrees Aquarius.

I heard some unusual prophecies today from a Scorpio who basically acts as Director of the ministry that feeds the homeless that I help out with.

He indicated that Giuliani will be the next President. He also said that the U.S. will be invaded (by a European entity) and lose it's freedom for a season; that wheat will be our saviour; that Topeka, Kansas will become some prominent place during this time.

I've started searching the internet for anything related to this. I'm wondering if his boss in the ministry (the founder of it) being an Aquarian has anything to do with this. So far I haven't found anything backing this prophecy on the internet, though I have found that Pat Robertson predicts that Giuliani will speed up the end times.

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posted November 30, 2007 09:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as far as l know the law has already been passed


I recently did a lot of research into 9/11 and the truth behind it. Was very interesting and l found info on this bill whilst researching.

Have you seen Zeitgeist or Loosechange?
I think they mention the Bill.

I agree though - it's appalling and if they do this in the UK i'm gonna pack up and leave!

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Lara
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posted November 30, 2007 09:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey!!!

You all forgot the lies surrounding the Twin Towers attack and The Pentagon "hit"

and boy, are they lies :O

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted November 30, 2007 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lara,

Didn't forget about those lies. Not at all. The thing is, there are sooooooo many, it's impossible to name them all.

Geocosmic Valentine

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BiBi DeAngelo
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posted November 30, 2007 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you believe the Mars Retrograde might factor into this topic???

Especially since it goes into Cancer for awhile??

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Lara
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posted November 30, 2007 10:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
haha Geocosmic... soooooo true

actually l had to take a break from researching the truth about 911 cos all the conflicting info almost blew my main fuse )) LOL!

BTW anyone else think that the so-called recent Bin Laden tape (which looks remarkably like the previous one!) is a pre-requisite for going into Iran next spring?

*watch those oil prices*

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posted November 30, 2007 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bibi,

How do you believe the Mars Retrograde might factor into this topic???
Especially since it goes into Cancer for awhile??

I'm wondering if you meant to say that Mars Retrograde will be going into Gemini for a while, since Mars is already in Cancer.

I'm hoping that when Mars goes into Gemini, it will cause the Senate to actively retrace their steps in terms of communication details, I hope it ignites their curiosity. There are some astrologers who believe that when Mars goes retrograde, the energy goes in for contemplation before it goes out. I believe that Mars is stronger since it is at it's closest to the earth when it's retrograde. I think there will be active, aggressive and angry debate about the subject and I find it very hard to believe that they would pass something like this after the embarrassment of them passing the PATRIOT ACT. But you never know.

I can't quite get alarmist about these things, it takes too much of my own energy, however, while we get riled up about whether the senate will pass this bill, I wonder what they are doing behind our backs while we get triggered by this obvious attempt at reducing yet more of our freedoms.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted November 30, 2007 11:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
2 interesting transits I see are :

transiting Saturn squaring U.S. Uranus

And, (most exact at this time ) Tr. Uranus inconjuct U.S. Saturn.

I think one interpretation might be a restriction (Saturn) of Freedom (Uranus).

I know that's pretty simplistic, But, What can I say, that's how I roll (LOL)

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I think it is much bigger than the smaller transits. I believe it has to do with Pluto moving into Capricorn. The last time Pluto moved into Capricorn was from 1762 to 1779, when this country was founded on free speech and the freedoms we fought for AGAINST the oppression of the King of England. We are coming to a time in which we are fighting against the "authority" of displaced power. There is a huge grouond swell that is occuring again with WE THE PEOPLE. Pluto in Capricorn provides th time to fight against government, big business, authority that does not contain WE THE PEOPLE. Pluto will move into Capricorn January 25, 2008 and shift the focus to regaining our freedoms from the "authorities" that have taken them. Going up against government, big business, international governments and businesses is what we are going to see. Jupiter will pave the way beginning December 18th as Jupiter opens the Capricorn door. Of course the explosion of Jupiter and Pluto on December 11th provides the magma of our effort and true philosophy used in our dealings since 1995 will become most evident (issues of corruption will begin to be most obvious) at that time.

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BiBi DeAngelo
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posted December 05, 2007 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry...
I haven't answered the reply's in here... I will do so in the near future... just crazy time at work prior to Holidays!!!

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BiBi DeAngelo
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posted December 06, 2007 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My thoughts were:

(1) The planetary transits that haven’t been seen since 1776!
(2) The transit of Pluto into Capricorn that sparked the USA to fight for its freedom 230 years ago. Pluto is in Capricorn for approx. 19 years.
(3) The potential for corporate control of government may very well increase; because many believe Capricorn indicates power and big/corporate business.

Many astrologers believe that an “empire” doesn’t last longer than one Pluto cycle. Therefore, by 2025 the American cycle may very well play itself out as a global leader.

Wait until Uranus goes into Aires!

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