posted December 04, 2007 04:49 PM              

has anyone else found they have this problem and wat are your placements.. is there something in astrology that is indicating an attraction for gays..

or i am jus thinking that in my generation everyone is bisexual! lol

my bday - 13th june 1984

gemini sun. gemini rising. sag moon.

posted December 05, 2007 12:24 AM              

Gay guys seem to gravitate towards me as well, and I've always thought it's because they admire my hair and makeup or something. lol. But maybe it's something to do with my Venus in Gemini? Also, it's reciprocal - there is something about them that I love! I'm also a fan of the slightly more 'feminine'-type men overall.

posted December 05, 2007 04:18 PM              

i am open minded so it doesnt bother me, i guess i dont really go for the manley man in terms of a boyfriend..

i dont know about anything in my chart attracting partners who are 'recessive' but i did read somewhere that partners are attracted to me as they feel i can help them in someway.. all thought i think that is referring to other things..

posted December 07, 2007 06:23 AM              

It's the balance of Yin & Yang. The Mars/Venus, Tarzan/Jane, Positive/Negative dynamic.

I'm guessing it's your first house sun, or Sun conj. Ascendant.

Rare you'll find a dominant woman with an alpha male type. Usually they go for the submissive sort.

So, the major energies within you, which may be described as archetypically masculine (Sun, Moon, ASC all positive), seeks out partners whose major energies are archetypically feminine in nature.

Alternatively, it could mean you've disowned your feminine side, while playing up your masculine traits. Thus attracting partners who will express that buried side of your personality.

posted December 07, 2007 06:38 AM            

I had the same type of issues happening around the time you were born. I wonder what your degree of Gemini your Asendant is and here's why I ask.

My Ascendant is 8 degrees Gemini which makes my Descendant/7th house cusp 8 degrees Sagittarius. In 1982 through 1985, transiting Neptune was conjunct my DESCENDANT which represents relationships. I was in high school and a lot of these guys handn't come out of the closet yet. I didn't wonder about it until years later why I was attracted to these young gay guys and they would come out of the closet after dating me.

Was it me? Was I turning them gay? LLLOOL!

No, but not only was Neptune transiting my 7th house cusp of relationships, Solar Arc Neptune was conjunct my 7th house DESCENDANT also.

Now, in your chart, which I set for London, because you didn't specify a birth place or time, I notice that Neptune is at 0 degrees Capricorn. That is the Aries Point, which is very powerful for expressing your Neptunian energies in a prominant manner to the public. Some astrologer, including myself, aquaint Neptune with homosexuality. But I'm not sure if Neptune is doing that in your case, but I suspect that Neptune may be in the vicinity of your Sun or Ascendant by aspect or Solar Arc during these years of your life now.

I was 16, 17, and 18 when Neptune was transiting and Solar Arcing to my Descendant and I kept having crushes on gay closeted gay boys. On my last day of high school I broke up with a boyfriend I was seeing for a year where "Nothing" happened in the physical realm, the whole time we were together, not even a kiss.

Thank God Neptune finally moved out of my 7th house, because that was definitely it for me.

Just something to consider.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted December 08, 2007 01:02 PM              

my sun is in gemini at 4.04'28.... my sun is opposing neptune at 8 degrees.. does that make a difference?

thats very interesting points you are making all tho im not sure how to find out what is transiting during this time, to see if that is affecting it? i wonder if you could give me any more insight with my birth time, 3.45am and place gillingham kent.

posted December 08, 2007 02:13 PM            

I'll check you rising sign and answer later today, thanks for the info.

Hi Hermes,

Forgot to say that all those guys who came out of the closet after I attracted them...I killed 'em all. LLLOOOLL!! Yeah, that Gemini/Sagittarius axis is the bane of my existence.

Seriously, I hope you didn't think it was because of the Gemini-Sagittarius axis, I was suggesting that the circumstances were being reflected by Neptune transiting and Solar Arcing over my 7th house cusp. I wonder if anyone else has experienced that sort of thing.

The more traditional explaination of Neptune transit to the 7th house cusp is deception within a relationship, so I was being deceived in one way, being lead to believe that a guy was straight by him asking me out romantically when he had no intention of being romantic, making me a beard. But, we were all kids, discovering sexuality, etc.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted December 08, 2007 02:59 PM              

"I wonder if anyone else has experienced that sort of thing."

Yeah, I have. I have had a real big crush on two gay men (who ironically ended up together. lol). It was a secret crush on my part, of course, never gotten known. Nevertheless it has been strong, in both cases.

I have Neptune conjunct Mars, NN and ASC in Sagittarius (5° - 10°), so maybe that sort of explains it.
Also, I have a very "masculine" chart, sign-wise.
Sun, Mercury, Mars and ASC in Sagittarius in 1st house (well, Mars technically is still in the 12th, 2° before ASC). Moon in Aquarius.
Only my Venus is in a female sign, Capricorn (at the end of 1st house or at the beginning of the 2nd house, if you use equal houses); but Capricorn is not all that feminine, I guess.
I have the chartruler (and Sun and Mars-ruler) in Pisces though, squaring Neptune on my ASC. I guess this gives me some kind of sensitivity (was that word spelled right? it looks weird.)
But I never really behaved like a "girl"; or what society thinks "girl-like" behaviour is. Thought all this bitching and plotting and "oh I am so helpless, I need a man to do it, cause I am only a fragile woman" was so dishonest.
Don`t get me wrong, I like to get help, male or female. But only because I am lazy, not because I can`t do it on my own.
It doesn`t mean I am dominant (well, okay, my family sometimes think I am, in a very quiet, stubborn, "I don`t do anything I don`t want to"-way.").
I guess my dominance is more some kind of "denial" to play according to any gender-rules.
Women are said to be clingy and needy and in desperate need of a relationship?
Well, I could never play THAT game.
Sometimes I wish I could. Sometimes I wish I could just be like some of the women around me; you know be content with a relationship, even if I know that he is not the ONE. But it would make things so much easier, to have someone around. Okay, probably I would be running amok after a short while if someone was really ALWAYS around me. I could only stand that, if he was really fascinating and original and a deep, unconventional thinker. In any other case, gosh, I would be bored to death, I guess.
Well, in this way the feminine sterotype doesn`t fit me, I guess.

Oh and those gay men, that I had the crush on.
One had his Sun in Aries, and his Moon and Venus in Taurus, and Mars and ASC and chartruler in Pisces (old chartruler) - so I guess very femine sign-placements.
The other one had Sun and Venus in Capricorn, Moon and ASC in Aries and Mars and ASC-ruler in Libra.

posted December 08, 2007 04:01 PM            

I've got news for you. You are a Taurus rising if the time you gave me is correct, your rising sign is 29 degrees Taurus, and yes it does make a difference. You are NOT a Gemini rising.

The only thing I can GUESS at as to why you are attracting gay men into your energy field is that transiting Neptune is trining your Venus which rules your 1st house and 6th house, but that doesn't really tell me anything. However, Neptune is one of the rulers of your 11th house of love received, maybe you are just getting much love from your gay brothers, and there is nothing wrong with that. Unless it's become a problem for you that you can't find ANY straight men to date, then I would re-assess what I find attractive about men.

That's what I had to do, I used to like really pretty looking men and I realized that the traits I liked belonged mostly to gay men. There are lots of very masculine looking gay men also, but I changed my perspective a little bit and I haven't had any issues since that time period.

I wouldn' worry, I'd just enjoy my friends.

DD,

I have to get back to you with a response, I just have to re-read what you wrote so I'm clear.

Have a great day all.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted December 09, 2007 09:09 PM            

You were CORRECT. I triple checked it and Astrodienst has the wrong coordinates for Gillingham, Kent. I checked my WinStar Matrix software and it gives you a 4 degree '04 minutes Gemini Ascendant. I checked with Wikipedia for Gillingham, Kent and it matches the coordinates with my Matrix software, so I do apologize for trying to correct you.

I'm glad I was wrong, who wants an ASC that lines up with the fixed star Algol, which is known for people losing their heads, if you believe in that stuff. Don't want to worry anyone here and also, I can't elaborate.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted December 09, 2007 09:35 PM            

I just re-read your post and it's worth considering, that Neptune conjunct ASC might suggest attraction to gay men since it's considered an opposition to your Descendant, but who really knows huh?

I have a joke with my friends that if I find myself attracted to ANY man, I am to consider that they are ALL gay until proven straight!! Sorry guys, but it's what I need to do, but it can be fun proving it.

I think it's your Mars conjunct your Ascendant that suggests you come across as dominant. Even though you say that you are lazy, it provides you with a lot of energy, you may sometimes really feel that you have to work out or run or whatever athletic outlet you like. And also since it's is conjunct from the 12th house, there could be some serious hidden anger, but only you know for sure.

But I bet you are incredibly charismatic, that's what Neptune conjunct Mars suggests in one's chart, there have GOT to be some straight men clamoring after you. Most people with Neptune conjunct Mars are incredibly good looking, like, off the hook good looking. Let us know.

Geocosmic Valentine

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posted December 15, 2007 05:40 AM              

sorry for the delay.

"that Neptune conjunct ASC might suggest attraction to gay men"
It could be. My ASC is really a "sore spot" with those opposing energies of Mars and Neptune touching it. Not easy I guess.
Also, my DSC is in Gemini, and those gay men I like are very Gemini-like, physically and in their behaviour. Very charming, entertaining, very interesting persons.

"I think it's your Mars conjunct your Ascendant that suggests you come across as dominant."
It`s a mixed bag, with Neptune also being there. Most of the time I have no idea how much energy I really have, but if it`s needed then it`s usually there, and just lately I realized I can do an amount of work, that I never thought I would be capable of doing.
Also, when I was a child, I think I was very dominant, in a rather quiet way.
My mum always tells the story, how, when I was in kindergarten, I invited all the "bad boys", and she has been warned by the teachers there, that these little boys were very difficult to handle, but I was allowed to invite them anyway, and as my mother tells the story, I just had them wrapped "around my little finger", as they were reacting or obeying to even a small glance of me. Seems, as a child I had some leadership-abilities, which got somehow lost down the way.

" provides you with a lot of energy, you may sometimes really feel that you have to work out or run or whatever athletic outlet you like."
Not really. I guess I put all my energy into eating as much as I could and staying away from sports.
Even though at times, when I become emotionally deeply touched, I feel the need to run or at least walk very fast, which I do then. It always feels like I am trying to run away from what I feel in those situations. but those are the only times I feel the need for doing sports.

"And also since it's is conjunct from the 12th house, there could be some serious hidden anger, but only you know for sure."
Yip, all those violent dreams about hurting and killing and getting hunted must come from somewhere. At least the dreams stopped, in which some people wanted to kill me, and I .- or my dream-director- was giving them advice how to kill me best. lol
Mars in 12th house, as ruler of my 4th house - there`s some explosive stuff hidden in my emotional core and probably stems from an early period of my childhood.

"there have GOT to be some straight men clamoring after you"
Not really.

"Most people with Neptune conjunct Mars are incredibly good looking, like, off the hook good looking. Let us know."
Nice thought, but no, not really. I am much too overweight to be considered goodlooking.

posted December 15, 2007 09:07 AM            

I think you're a spellcaster, or at least you were when you were a little girl. You had all those bad little boys under your spell and your mother watched the whole thing. That's the charisma, the charm. Don't forget that you have that.

It reminds me of child actors who were really great when they were kids, mainly because they had no hang ups or baggage yet, then when they get older, they fear drawing from the same pool of inspiration or talent because something in them closes or they begin to have hangups. Kind of like all adults, we don't throw ourselves into playing and pretending the way we used to, we almost become embarrassed about it.

That dream stuff makes a lot of sense. Neptune rules dreams and Mars rules violence and aggression. Your chart reminds me of people who grew up over weight and then all of a sudden at some point in their 20's or 30's decide to lose it and they get all athletic and people can hardly believe that they've done it. And they keep it off for the rest of their lives and become work out junkies. That could happen, especially since Neptune rules addictions.

Another thought is that if you are considering yourself to be too overweight to attract men, straight men, that could be the main issue. You have to believe that you are attractive. You don't have to think you're a bombshell or anything, but aat least have a certain modicum of attractiveness to get these men.

And by the way, that explosive stuff hidden in your emotional core from that early period of your childhood....that is the key to all of this. The not attracting straight men, the being overweight. I will not go into here because you already know what it is, but it's the key and it's what stops you, Neptune allows you to hide yourself.

But that story of the little boys, that's the men clamoring after you. It's the sweetest funniest story.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted December 15, 2007 10:43 AM              

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wat was that comment about a serial killer? lol ..

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I'm a Gemini w/ moon in Sagittarius.

Once upon a time there was a thread asking which was the most loyal and most honest moon signs. At the same time I found myself in a winning argument against another poster. Concurrently, Moon in Sagittarius (my moon sign) was winning the honesty half on the question.

Then, in an effort to slur me, the losing poster casually mentioned, to paraphrase, "Did you know that Gemini & Sagittarius figured prominently in the charts on serial killers?"

Curious and positively tickled at this new found infamy, I pulled up google, and came across this http://www.astrodatabank.com/AS/ResWickenburg.htm

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One day [in June?] several years ago my phone rang. It was a detective with the Homicide Division of the Seattle Police Department. He wanted me to look at something...worrisome because it appeared to be the birth of a new serial killer.

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I ended up with 44 clean charts of killers who fit the FBI profile of a serial murderer.

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Thirty-one out of forty-four had sun or moon in Sagittarius or Capricorn. That's 74%. And while Gemini sun-signs stood out, only four of the Gemini's were not included in the Sagittarius/Capricorn moon group.

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posted December 15, 2007 11:22 AM              

" think you're a spellcaster, or at least you were when you were a little girl."
Well, I can`t really remember that. But as a little girl I seemed to have been quiet, yet very assertive and open.
Another story my mum likes to tell, is that we once were at a fashion-show somewhere, when I was maybe 4 years old. And during the intermission the moderator asked who wanted to come onto stage and perform something for the audience. And well, my mom suddenly realized that I had gone and went looking for me, until she realized that I had gone straight onto stage, I think singing something.
lol

This is something I would NEVER do today, since I somehow developed the feeling of not being "good enough". What a pity! Sometimes I wish I still was that girl I was then. And yes, she still lives inside of me. If I only knew how to integrate her into my everyday life again.

"nother thought is that if you are considering yourself to be too overweight to attract men, straight men, that could be the main issue. You have to believe that you are attractive."
Hey, I put all this overweigh on, mainly to PROVE that I am NOT attractive, so this would be slightly contraproductive, thinking I am still attractive, wouldn`t it?
Just kidding. or at least one half of me is kidding.

These stories about the little boys may sound nice, but at a certain time they weren`t nice for me, because at a certain point those little and later on bigger boys started locking me up or at least putting some pressure on me. Mostly they were male Sagittarians, so keep away with those from me.

Seriously, one of these boys threatened to marry me, but didn`T ask me but my mother, who thought it was cute. Just I felt threatened, really threatened.
Fast forward a few years, the son of friends of my mother, somehow took a liking to me, which ended in him telling me that I would have to marry him (why did all those little boys want to marry?), and when I said no, he locked me up in his room and said I would get out of there, only if I agreed in marrying him. If I remember it right, I bit him so much that he started bleeding. NOONE locks me up, EVER.
That same little boy started some years later to always chase me around to get a hug or a kiss or I don`t know what. Don`t know when or how this stopped.
Another friend of mine in school started to think I was beautiful, which led him to follow me around whereever I went, and I felt so sorry and even guilty, because I didn`t feel the same. But it got annoying when he just would NEVER leave. Actually another friend of mine told him he would going to beat him up if he didn`t leave me be. Well, I did NOT agree with that violent threat. But it worked.
FEw years later another boy in school (sagittarius again, one of the unpleasant sort) thought of me as a good "trophy" I guess, and he came close to actually sexually harass me. I think he was the only boy I ever really hit and insulted. Just had to keep him away from me. And at that point I already had been overweighed. *sighs*

Interestingly, two or three years ago, I was on a class meeting, and it turned out that one of my best friends in school had turned out to be gay and he brought his boyfriend with him. And that boyfriend, gay or not, couldn`t keep his fingers off me. I guess, it`s just that probably most gay men are very "touchy", but I am not. And he really could have been "touchy-feely" with someone else.

I know for most people this would not be a problem I guess. But for me it apparently was.
Well, yes and then I discovered, that the one man I was REALLY interested in, was gay, and that was it for me, then, I guess. I quit the game by starting to stuff anything I could find into my mouth.

I hope that wasn`t too much to share here. But I donīt have a problem to talk about it.