posted December 05, 2007 07:27 PM              

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Jupiter - the principle of expansion - aligns with the lord of the underworld. This conjunction happens only once and does not linger. (…) the transformation is complete. Our old era is dead and the new one is born. The struggle is over.

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I am struggling with a personal dilemma currently – and I’d like to ask you about your insights as far as “astrological timing” is concerned – should I use this conjunct for my purpose – or rather avoid it???

The dilemma is as such: I am in a complicated relationship with a guy – it’s a long distance affair. There had been some misunderstandings and hurts last time we met – lots of things that need to be clarified, from my point of view.

Next time we’ll meet will be next week – just during that powerful Jupiter-Pluto-conjunct!

This conjunct (at28 ° Sagittarius) will take place exactly at my 2nd house cusp (opp. my 8th house cusp, orb <1) – what I want to talk about with the guy are matters such as honesty, sincerity and commitment. So: With the Jupiter-Pluto-conjunct placed exactly at the relevant house cusps in my chart (2nd house of self-worth and 8th of serious bonding), this would seem THE RIGHT TIME to talk about these matters – do you agree?

BUT: The Jupiter-Pluto-conjunct is also in quincunx to my Mars (8th house) – and squares his Venus (1st house).

AND: During this date (Dec 11th) we have several other critical transits: The MOON will SQUARE my CHIRON half of the day – which doesn’t promise a “nice feel” for me, to say the least…. Meanwhile he’ll be experiencing MERCURY SQUARE his SATURN and SQUARE his PLUTO – which surely brings uncomfortable talks for him, to say the least again.

Looking at all of these I am expecting a negative outcome of our talk – of course I am afraid of that – and now I am considering to postpone “the talk” to another date. But that probably would mean: avoiding the truth ….?

How do you handle “timing matters” like these? If you expect a negative outcome, astrologically – would you still “go for it” then, no matter what?

I surely don’t want to “spoil” the next meeting with that man with too serious and/or stormy discussions … And I don’t want to lose him. But I DO feel the need to clarify some things.

posted December 05, 2007 09:37 PM            

These are not entirely or necessarily my “astrological” opinions – a gut feeling comes into play too ;-)) Generally I'm not a fan of "postponing" life or interactions with others because of the mathematical angles between orbiting bodies. I think there is a positive spin for ANY astro aspect. Take the tMoon/nChiron square: This does not have to be a wound = it could potentially be tension/challenge leading to the healing of emotions.

If your meeting turned out to be on the 11th (and you could not choose another day), then to my mind the Universe wants you to work with these energies!! I think the 2nd/8th axis activity in your chart is VERY positive – you could potentially point your nascent relationship in a new and better direction. Jupiter wants expansion and Pluto wants change/transformation.

With Mercury squaring his Saturn, he may not meet you halfway in the conversation. But with Mercury squaring his Pluto, he may be willing to analyze and dig for the truth with clarity and honesty – striving for a deeper meaning (which houses are involved??) and connection. With that in mind, can you say what you need to?? And if a conversation about where you two are going is THAT disturbing to this fella, maybe it’s for the best that your association might be “spoiled” anyway?? Would you be happy with a partner who cannot patiently and openly listen to your thoughts and feelings??

My vote goes for talking about it on Tuesday -- Seize the moment!! we may lose and we may win but we will never be here again
Relationships with other humans are full of "tests" like this, where something very important/sensitive is expressed, someone feels vulnerable, and that vulnerability is either embraced/accepted or rejected by the other person. Each test that is "passed" creates a solid brick in the foundation of trust and bonding in your association.

Good Luck (and expect a positive outcome)!!!
Zala

PS: I would be interested to hear how your synastry is set up, especially your Moons and Mercurys.....

posted December 06, 2007 04:04 AM            

I loved this:
"If your meeting turned out to be on the 11th...then to my mind the Universe wants you to work with these energies!!"

posted December 06, 2007 09:19 AM              

thanks a lot for your substantial reply! I really feel supported now - supported to "go for it". Maybe I was just craving such mental "kick in the ass" as you gave to me now - really: Thank you!

You asked for the house positions:

My CHIRON (squared by the Moon on Tuesday) is in Aries in my 4th house - so it's a deeply ingrained distrust in my own self-worth, abilities ... and unfortunately I tend to react quite aggressively/ sarcastically when I feel wounded or offended.

His SATURN (squared by Mercury on Tuesday) is in Pisces in his 6th and in wide conjunct to his DC (orb: 6 degrees). He also has his CHIRON close to his DC (orb: 2 dg.), it's in Pisces in his 7th.

His PLUTO is in his 12th, close to his AC (orb: 6 dg.) and conjunct his URANUS. He also has his SUN cj. MERCURY on the cusp of his 12th - so he's kind of the secretive and manipulative kind, I've experienced that in real life already, it is true.

As far as our synastry is concerned, we have the following smooth aspects:

HIS .... MY
Sun trine Moon
Sun sextile Jupiter
Moon trine Moon
Mercury trine Moon
Venus sextile Sun
Venus sextile Mars
Venus sextile Neptune
Venus sextile AC
Mars conjunct Jupiter

We also have something very special: His VERTEX (Pisces) cj. my NN (obr: 1 d.) - which means, his VETEX is opposite my Venus (my Venus is in Virgo in my 9th, cj. my SN)

AND we've got a bunch of heavy aspects as well, such as:

HIS .... MY
Venus conjunct Pluto
Sun conjunct Lilith
Sun square Saturn
Mercury square Saturn
Chiron square Moon
Chiron opposition Pluto
Chiron opposition MC

I would LOVE to get more clues from you, if you find the time ... and I will surely take another look at this thread before ... the frightening Tuesday arrives ;-).

Bless you! A.

posted December 06, 2007 09:33 PM            

cristina ~ I value your opinion

posted December 10, 2007 02:14 PM            

Anne Ortelee is up!!!
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