posted December 11, 2007 08:22 PM              

i really like my jupiter, but i am afraid she is rather afflicted and i want to help her feel better.

i am sorta new to understanding the role of the chart ruler, and up until a few months ago i thought i was a cappy rising (time issue and it seemed to fit in a lot of ways). if anyone can give me ANY insight about anything to do with it, i would be so grateful! anything you see that could benefit me and help me understand it a bit better.

as you can see, she is NOT well aspected but i find it so odd that here is this super happy planet in a super happy sign and in a giving capacity (7th), yet she is so afflicted. the contradiction has always confused me and i'm never quite sure what to make of it!!

posted December 11, 2007 08:41 PM            

I don't see your Jupiter as being afflicted. Your Jupiter has no aspects at all. Pay no attention to that red line to your Mars which is 9 degrees away from being an opposition, don't count it. At least I don't when I read a chart, it's not necessary.

Jupiter is "Peregrine" in your chart. Peregrine means pilgrim, and it RUNS AWAY WITH YOUR ENTIRE CHART!! I sense it in your posts, there is a jovial quality to your energy, and expansiveness and eagerness to give it seems. Your Jupiter is on display in the 7th house, then double that with a giant spotlight because it's in Leo and Leo's are the movie stars of the zodiac, they must have applause, honor, and drama.

There may be other ways that your Jupiter is expressing itself as the ruler of your chart, but now that I've started writing here, I can't see your chart. Yes, there are minor aspects to it, that usually happens when a planet is peregrine (unaspected) but I'll let you discover how it works on your own and I'm sure others will chime in on this, but I urge you to stop thinking in terms of "afflictions" and "bad aspects". Some aspects suggests a lot of stress and tension, however, that is how we grow, it doesn't happen any other way. Flowers need rocks in the soil for the roots to push against in order for the budding flowers to grow upward.

It takes hard work and heavy weight to build muscle or else we atrophy. I'm sure your Jupiter will be happy to let go of those negative astrological terms.

Have a great night, Heartcakes.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted December 11, 2007 11:44 PM              

i have always had this sense of wounded not good enoughishness when i thought of my jupiter, all these years. like, i actually would avoid thinking about it and would avert my eyes.. oh i am so ashamed for neglecting my dear sweet jupiter!

i just realized, too, maybe this wounded feeling comes from its square to my chiron. does this undo its peregrinity?

i am SO happy to hear that not only do those oppositions not count (what orb would you use typically here, under 7?) but that i am actually ALLOWED to embrace my jupiter! oh that sounds so silly. but i've always been VERY jovial and it p!ssed both my parents off, and i suppose that contributes to my shame there! funny, cuz it opposes both of their chirons, within a few degrees, but that's a whole nother issue!

thank you so much, geocosmic valentine. i feel so much better, you have no idea! and my jupiter thanks you very much!!!

posted December 12, 2007 12:39 AM            

I do tend to agree with Geocosmic's assessment. I see it in your posts, too.

posted December 12, 2007 01:19 AM              

But to provide you with a bit of a boost I'll bite, K?

Jupiter in Capricorn:

Can be very good for business, even though Capricorn is a sign of contraction and Jupiter is the planet of expansion. People with this placement can make a big deal out of small matters. They can save pennies and yet spend large amounts with ease. (source: Bob Marks Astrologer)

One usually wants to accomplish practical goals and attain high position or renown.
(source: San Beck )

As per Esoteric Astrology:
As a highly focused expression of the Second Ray, Jupiter’s energy is dualistic. It is very magnetic in its fusing power, and extremely expressive in its ability to expand the presence of Love/Wisdom as a result of the resolution of duality. On the personality level Jupiter in Capricorn represents the crystallisation of the material desires of the lower self. On the Soul level, it is this crystallised, material nature which falls away, leaving the soul centred individual as a victor over the lower self. The Tibetan says ~Love is fallen and blinded when desire is rampant; desire vanishes when love triumphs~. The function of Jupiter in Capricorn on the Soul level is to create those structures in thought and on the physical plane (Third and Seventh Rays) for the expansion of the Will-to-Love. The individual may demonstrate the Love/Wisdom of the Christ consciousness through the fusion and blending of material resources. (source: BT Internet)

As per Astrology Guidence:
There can be tremendous attraction to the inner workings of business, or considerable time and energy spent in determining what makes for success. This is an excellent placement for attaining a degree in business. Extensive career or vocational training is likely; the diploma or accreditation will be important to you as an outward expression of your achievement. You are a builder upon past efforts, careful to ensure that what you accomplish today will be a stepping stone to future success. You are interested in how thing are built and structures of all types. Thus, you are drawn to architecture, engineering, mechanics, manufacturing, chiropractic, dentistry (bodily structure) or business administration (business structure). You may see yourself as an authority in your chosen field, in which you tend to have a cumulative store of knowledge. You derive luck through your father or grandfather, businesses, legacies or inheritances, hard work, taking responsibility, education or vocational training, long-term goals. (source: Jon Stevens of Astrology Guidance)

In order to gain more luck, you need to balance yourself and avoid letting material gain and fear of failure overwhelm your more creative side. (source: Astrology.com )

posted December 12, 2007 02:27 AM            

Bob Marks did a good job of articulating the apparent contradiction: expansion versus contraction.

BT Internet's take is an interesting one. The cause I'm most interested in is adoption, and I would love to find a better way to serve that cause. I did look into starting a non-profit, but the issue there was that you have to register/start your non-profit in every state you anticipate raising funds from (in order to give the expected tax credit), so a pure and simple idea became much more convoluted [and inordinately expensive] due to the way the laws are set up.

Jon Stevens was certainly right on. I would have tributed some of those attributes to having a Capricorn Sun. I do like learning how things work. I would gain great satisfaction learning electrical and mechanical engineering, but I do also want to understand business and accounting. I think someone's missing a huge opportunity by not creating exercise equipment that generates electricity you can use in your home. That would get people exercising, and save them money in the process. Win win.

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posted December 12, 2007 11:03 AM              

OH acoustic god, somehow i really do feel that jupiter in capricorn suits you. it seems like an energy that relates to a pay off for all the integrity you pour into your efforts. capricorn is so awesome to me. i have the utmost respect for you guys.

gemini lover, exactly!! it's so funny cuz at home i was SO depressed (and alternately really happy and snapped at for it, or worse) and at school i had the BEST time. man i just loved having fun and being silly and i think just putting it together that i finally understand now that i have sag rising (and even better now that i should totally embrace my jupiter!) puts SO much into perspective! and i love that it is so resilient and therefore i can let go of this vague sense of shame or stupidity at having wanted to be a happy force in my parents' lives and finally embrace who i am!

ahh, as you can see, chiron in the 4th with the moon. hard time letting go of my parents, eek! how slightly embarrassing!

posted December 12, 2007 01:23 PM            

For Heartcakes,

Your Jupiter is still peregrine even if it squares Chiron. When you talk about Peregrine planets, it doesn't include asteroids at all, it only includes what are called Ptolemaic Aspects. Those are the classic aspects of Conjunction, Sextile, Trine, Square and Opposition. None of the minor aspects apply.

I find it fascinating that you were given permission to embrace your Jupiter during this Jupiter-Pluto conjunction at the Galactic Center. It's as if Pluto magnified Jupiter larger than it we ever thought it could be, especially since it is the largest planet in our solar system. Enjoy it.

You might want to explore the relationship of Pluto to the other planets by minor aspects, but only if you promise not to think of them as bad aspects. But I do think it is valid to explore the Jupiter to Chiron aspect.

For Acoustic God,

I think of your Jupiter in Capricorn as you working in Santa's workshop. Do you manage the workshop? And then I read that you were interested in adoption and starting a foundation, so I wasn't too far off in my little fantasy. Good luck with that.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted December 12, 2007 02:37 PM            

Sometimes I just don't get Astro.com. The only aspect to your Jupiter is the wide square from Uranus. Jupiter wins hands down. I know some people have philosophies about widening the orb for the Sun and the Moon, but that square to the Moon is just ridiculous.

But...on my other hand, I also say that when you are in discussion with a client and themes begin to come up that describe that wide relationship between 2 planets, then you go with it. The horoscope is not a rigid structure. It stretches, expands, contracts, bristles and shimmers (It shimmies, too). But in general, that square is too wide even for a luminary.

Jupiter is the winner.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted December 12, 2007 06:55 PM              

yeah, geocosmic valentine, it's SO weird that this happened. i mean, i really only felt that with this thread it was like contending with it, or embracing my challenges, but for it to be actually made clear that the challenges are not even there particularily, other than in my mind, and perhaps as relating to chiron, well, that is SO jupiter!!!

i am actually honestly blown away at the optimism i am feeling today, after such a huge culmination of plutonic forces which have been SO very heavy the last several years for me. i honestly feel that this is due to this transit and not just in my head, because the events around me are fully supporting this new sense of awakening i'm having, and it goes perfectly with the list of jupiter-pluto key words you just posted in that other thread!!