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teaologist
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Info about Unaspected Mercury

http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/unaspected/unaspected.htm

The idea is expressed here that such a planet will not be weak or ineffective (unless otherwise so adjudged), but, failing the interchanges with other planets, its principles, and especially its drive or urge when considered as an instinct or a force in the unconscious self, will not be properly integrated into the wholeness of the person. If a forceful planet, it will lack ways of using its drive. If a more receptive planet, it will at times be as if left out of the scheme altogether. For instance, a person with an unaspected Mercury will have moments of acting from sheer emotion, without the inclusion of any reasoning whatsoever.

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Unaspected Planets by Karen Hamaker-Zondag http://www.angelfire.com/stars5/unaspectedplanets/

An isolated planet has to do everything by itself. At first it even seems like the other subject matter inside us doesn't see this piece of us. That's why we don't get to know it very quickly. Somewhere, though, deep inside, we do know it's there. This isn't so much a conscious knowing, but more an implicit knowing. It makes us tend to keep searching for that piece of ourselves, that planet. To our feeling, it is a "faraway" given, and if this concerns a skill or activity, we'll have the idea that we aren't ready to do it by a long shot and "maybe never will learn," without there being any demonstrable proof of this. That inner feeling is usually pretty strong, and if one little thing goes wrong, we tend to lend it a lot more weight than necessary.
So, we go off in search of the subject matter of that planet. Some domains that are appropriate to that planet even hold a sort of magical or mysterious kind of attraction. Once I met a boy with an unaspected Mercury who, at a very early age, was fascinated by pencils and pens (objects appropriate to Mercury). Whenever his parents couldn't find any, all they had to do was go to his room and that's where they would find just about all the writing utensils they had in the house! He simply couldn't keep his hands off them. No matter what his parents did -- from asking in a friendly way to leave the pens where they belonged, to giving him a big set of his own pens, to punishing him -- nothing worked. Each pen had its own fascination. Mercury can, of course, also entail lots of other things, so a fascination can also lie in other Mercury domains. For this boy, it was pens.
Precisely because of this fascination and our "being in search of," we will be preoccupied with an unaspected planet, but won't ourselves be aware of it at all. The problem is, namely, that there are no other planets that provide any contact with this isolated planet, so that at first we don't see all the things we do with it. We simply don't recognize it, and aren't able to place it, like the boy with his pens. He simply didn't understand that he had a few too many of them in his room. It's as if everything we do with that planet somehow or other isn't to be fathomed, knows no moderation, or isn't to be controlled. This, by the way, doesn't have to be the case forever.

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An unaspected Mercury may have the problem of not responding adequately to conversation. However, on a regular basis that same Mercury may be unstoppable. A cascade of words may flow out—the content sometimes being a string of inconsequential stories—although this certainly isn’t a chief feature. It may also be a beautiful discourse, or an analysis of a particular situation or problem that evinces talent. If you don’t realize that your partner doesn’t feel that way inside, simply because you have no knowledge of how an unaspected planet feels and words, you will not be able to understand, in the first place, why your partner keeps his or her mouth shut or stammers when you ask for a repetition of that brilliant analysis. And if your partner then says that he or she is insecure, you will think about how supple and self-assured the partner can be at times. Thus another enormous contradiction and reason for aggravation. The partner with the unaspected planet feels met with a total lack of understanding, whereas his or her partner (without the unaspected planet) gets the idea that some game is being played, on the one hand, and on the other, has no idea what to do with this confession of insecurity. After all, that person sees very different expressions. Result—instead of a helpful, understanding reaction, the other person exhibits a testy one, causing the partner to draw back even farther into his or her shell.

Can you imagine what it means when people say they are so insecure all the time, and still show ability and power in a given area? And that no matter how often you say everything is all right, the other evidently doesn’t seem to (want to) hear this? This can exhaust you and you may start finding fault with the person about all kinds of things—saying that they are manipulative, unwilling to listen, play the masochist, and so forth. It will be obvious that this doesn’t help the partner with the unaspected planet and misunderstanding after misunderstanding can pile up, without there being a primary party to blame. This involves nothing more than ignorance of this particular aspect dynamic.

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From DYNAMICS OF ASPECT ANALYSIS New Perceptions in Astrology by Bill Tierney

Like the Moon, Mercury is another planet that benefits from a variety of aspect connections with other planets (although, considering its abstract nature, it is less dependent in this context). Representing the principle of clear, unbiased objectivity, Mercury can be a neutral influence. It does, however, function more effectively when it is able to combine itself with other planets, since it develops best thru the stimulation of a diversity of influences. Mercury is energized to further express its innate potential due to its curiosity about what is unfamiliar (it is driven to want to know how all of life works). Other planets can provide Mercury with the essential learning experiences it eagerly seeks out. But unaspected Mercury, lacking in this educational opportunity, could represent one whose mental development is seldom well-rounded. Although the mind often is quite powerful and capable, it can become one-tracked in its application. And while the individual may be able to intelligently gather information in areas that attract his interest (indicated by Mercury's natal placement), he may not comprehend as much about himself. Mercury offers us the ability to apply the light of reason to all facets of our human nature, at least in a manner that prompts us to question our impulses. One with unaspected Mercury might be less driven to direct his mental power towards the observation and analysis of the other components of his personality. Thus, these other parts of his psyche are unlikely to develop and express themselves thru the benefit of logical, objective evaluation (unless they fall in Mercury-ruled signs and/or houses). However, the individual can exhibit an extraordinary mental facility in a singular area of life, suggested by its placement. What is perhaps beneficial about unaspected Mercury, unlike a heavily aspected one, is that it is less inclined to become scattered (since it is not being simultaneously activated in a multitude of areas). Yet, by being less diversified, this type of mind could become less flexible and adaptable to change (and especially so if posited in fixed sign). The individual is less inclined to weigh all sides of an issue, since he is less familiar with all sides. Not necessarily stubborn or rigid, unaspected Mercury is simply not as prone towards recognizing options and alternatives of thought, as would be a well-aspected Mercury. According to Dean's study, the urge to communicate is unlikely to be diminished. Yet it does appear to operate in spurtlike activity (although often in a brilliant manner), in which the individual can appear hyperactive (mentally and verbally). For the most part, I'd imagine the individual feels isolated and disintegrated on the mental level.

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From Aspects and Personality by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Lack of control over the behavior of an unaspected planet readily leads to ups and downs in life and an all-or-nothing attitude. For instance, unaspected Mercury can produce a very quick-thinking person; a person who, once he or she starts talking, inundates everyone with a veritable torrent of speech. However, the same individual can dry up completely when others want to listen or when something really needs to be said. On such occasions he or she is at a loss for words, being unable to deploy the Mercurial talents to order. Students should note that unaspected planets tend to display their overcompensating side more often than their non-manifesting side...

…Bertrand Russell immediately springs to mind, who, with an unaspected Mercury in his chart, wrote very analytical and critical philosophical works including one on the typically Mercurial theme of the extent and limitations of human knowledge. He carried out a study, so to speak, on an incomprehensible part of himself with which he had become obsessed. Yet his clear expositions have proved useful to many who have come after him. Further examples of famous people with an unaspected Mercury are Madame Curie, Karl Marx and Mahatma Gandhi…

…Even for unaspected planets there are occasional outlets which can help to relieve their restiveness. Apparently, reception can bring them out of isolation—perhaps not a hundred percent, but to a large extent. For example: if Mercury is in a sign ruled by Venus and Venus is in a sign ruled by Mercury, they will also rule one another and are said to be in mutual reception. A reception, although not an aspect, does couple planets indirectly. There is no direct meshing to prevent them from acting independently but, because the smooth working of the one depends on the smooth working of the other, they tend to act in harmony and to lend each other continual support. What is more, the functioning of the unaspected planet is influenced not only by that of its reception partner but also by that of any planets aspecting the partner. Hence it becomes more manageable and loses some of the qualities of an unaspected planet. Of course, the nature of the reception partners (the planets) will decide what the reception means to the native. (A reception between the Sun and Jupiter is a much pleasanter affair than is a reception between Mars and Saturn, but in both instances the reception provides an outlet.) However, I must confess that cases in my own practice have had something of a “split personality” about them, as if two people were rolled into one: the reception seemed to be intensifying the independent action of the planets rather than encouraging them to combine.

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http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-unaspectedplanets.htm

Those with an unaspected Mercury tend to be likeable, intelligent and adaptable. But they flirt from one thing to another. They also exhibit lots of confidence , humor and are sociable. The subjects are usually highly popular like Mahatma Gandhi who had an unaspected Mercury.

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http://www.voiceofthoth.com/divine8.htm

Crowley’s Mercury is in Scorpio and unaspected*. It’s known that Crowley was merciless in expressing his attitudes and critiques of others and the entire social system. His words were keen, poisonous and injurious as a scorpion’s bite. He had encyclopedic mind, and talent to remember and abridge huge amounts of knowledge. Unaspected Mercury tells about great oscillations in expression. Sometimes he spoke and wrote in incomprehensible ways, and other times his vision and insights were expressed in the most refined and direct way. His etiquette made him the most controversial person of the Twentieth century in the occult world. His tendencies toward extremism in his expression to and communication with world are a direct extension of Mercury’s influence.

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i dont know if this is related to your thread...but im gonna say it even so.

Some years ago i had major panic attacks came from nowhere. If i knew i would be at a new place with lots of people that i didnt knew..it made me sick..and nobody understood that and neither did I!

But then...i kep to myself that couldnt be and that i wasnt like that.
So,in my mind everytime i sensed that i would be goin to have those "attacks" id tok deep breaths and tgood thoughts and kept believeing in myself.

Did that so many times that one fine day those things stopped!And i felt the happier girl on Eãrth

My placements:

Moon in 8th
Mercury in the 12th - o Libra - trines Moon/skuare Neptune/sextiles Jup/Uranus and trine Kiron

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LovelyOne
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My mom used to get panic attacks. She would look like she's having a heart attack..kinda scarey.
At the wedding reception (divorced now) about 10 years ago she had one. Everybody was upstairs at my house and it was very crowded with people she didn't really know.
My sister and I would say "mom's FREAKING OUT again" and we used to laugh it off thinking it was just her.. but later found there was a medical condition for it...panic attacks. So I walked her downstairs where she could be alone.
She hasn't had one in years, so not sure what brings them on...

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posted December 17, 2007 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gutterlilly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel I'm communication challenged! I only choose to state the issue this way because If I am familiar with you, no problems speaking my mind. But in a group I meet for the first time, issues big time. I get misunderstood. I've had to conciously work on communicating with people. And it's not a shy thing. I just say what I feel or some off the wall crap and leave people wondering why i was left unattended. But, get this....I've always worked in a position where I must converse with people for a living! Wasn't my choice, just is. My sun is Aries, moon Leo, rising Sag. But only God himself would understand why I was blessed with Merc, Venus, and Mars all in Pisces and all 3 in the 3rd house! It was cheaper to delve into astrology than to pay a shrink to learn that I basically live in my head and am just wired this way and thus the reason I've been known to verbally respond in a backwards or unusual way. Believe it or not, I sometimes find speaking a chore. But hey, gotta make a living!

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posted December 17, 2007 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tea ~

Thanks so much for pulling out those useful and enlightening quotes/interps!! Your "have you always had trouble communicating" question intrigued me.....

Communication for me (at this point in my life) depends on a lot of factors:
- My mood at the time is a biggie (Pisces Moon 8H)
- If I'm mentally or physically tired/sapped, I'm not going to be able to talk to you, however interesting you might be.
- What vibes you're sending -- I pick up non-verbal impressions of people. There are some people I instinctively draw away from, even recoil. There are some who are innocuous/harmless seeming, but perhaps not very interesting. There are others I feel an attraction to (not sexual -- it's a mental or emotional attraction) – generally, the inscrutable types send my Curiosity Meter thru the roof (that's Pluto/Leo/12th sq Mercury/Scorpio/3rd probably)
If it's a subject I'm interested in there will be volumes of animated conversation -- the convo-mate being willing ;-)

My Mercury is in a Grand Trine with Uranus/Cancer/11th and the Moon, so Hermes has plenty of opportunities for interchange, especially when transiting bodies aspect one of the members of the Watery trine. Mercury also sextiles Mars/Virgo/1st (tippy-top of the Grand Trine’s Kite extension).

When I was young, I was painfully shy, Leo Asc notwithstanding No problems around people I knew, but with strangers I’d pretty much efface my presence and disappear into the woodwork. I also had a lisp in gradeschool – could not pronounce S’s – and went to speech therapy for awhile. I think the astro-contributors there might be the combined influence of Saturn & Neptune in the 3rd.

As I grew up and found friends who would listen to me (and who were interesting to listen to in return) the shyness faded. Now it’s relatively easy for me to help other shy people feel at ease, and included in the conversation. I genuinely like people, and everyone has a story to tell about where their roads have taken them, and how they feel about the journey…..

There are times when I just don’t feel like talking to anybody, and want to be alone with my thoughts. The friends I value most are the ones I can have a comfortable silence with, and have neither party feel constrained to fill the conversational void with trivial small talk.

I liked what you wrote, gutterlilly – welcome to LL!!
Sometimes I feel that way – when explaining something, making a joke, or describing a situation I get either a semi-glazed glance or the hairy-eyeball I don’t feel like I just popped in from another galaxy – what I’m saying makes perfectly logical sense to me, but it’s off-the-wall to the other party!! (the Uranian element, perhaps)

Generally at work, I’m pretty fast on my feet in the reply department – but my best responses come after being allowed a few minutes for thinking up the best phrasing for a reply. I’m a software trainer, so I have to cope with the gamut – students who are computer-kindergarten or even illiterate, and students who are my peers already. I have to tailor the teaching sessions (and thus the terms/language of the explanations/descriptions) to the level of the recipients, and that “translation” of the relevant data from kindergarten to college level happens pretty unconsciously.

With my Sun in the 3rd, my important mission is the Finder/Collector of Information – I wonder how many libra-rians have a strong 3rd house influence?? Mercury in this house is a huge help.

PS: I LOVE Bil Tierney!!! I's a fan <3 <3 <3

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posted December 18, 2007 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Librarian here, Mars in 3rd.

60% of communication is meant to be non-verbal.

My son has unaspected Mercury in the 4th - because of health-induced disabilities he couldn't speak. He was all there in his head even if he couldn't get the words out. Just got to be patient and tune in.

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Mercury in the 1st in Sag
Sextile Jupiter and Saturn.
Saturn in 3rd
Moon in 6th.

Feels mentally isolated with people as well.. Can't seem to find something to talk about when with people, even with very close friends. Can't engage in a conversation. All the same problems. I tend to think to much and fail to talk casually. Not that I'm shy to speak, i often feel like even we're talking I always feel disinterested and can't connect, yet i try hard to make it interesting. Might be my Sun, Moon, Saturn t-square. I used to be very outspoken when i was younger but I just seem to get more and more quiet.. And now I feel so pressured to change and talk more.. Makes people think i'm snobby and unfriendly..
When I'm alone with someone else I feel very awkward and uncomfortable when there's silence. I always talk first but the conversation ends the next second.. Often when people talk to me I'm not sure what to say, because sometimes I'm not sure which answer I want to reply. And I say the wrong things *points at saggie mercury*.

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Sun; Scorpio
Moon; Taurus
Asc; Sagittarius

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Hi Afroken-
I'm the same way. It was like you were describing me. I've always had trouble making friends, being too quiet, not very sociable.. but I get like that way too where you find yourself in a conversation and right when you find a time to hop into it, you say something stupid..ugh I do that all the time.
I was in the car with a friend of mine a couple of months ago where I was driving and it was a good 4 hour trip. It got to be kind of awkward at times because I couldn't think of anything to talk about...and he's so intelegent that I was afraid that if I did say much, I might come across sounding like a ditz..lol!

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Hi teaologist-
I really don't know my placements. I haven't read any of Linda Goodman's books yet, but I've ordered my first one - Star Signs and it should arrive today.
But my bday is Sept 22 1970, born in Redondo Beach, CA at 12:55 PM...lol!
I've been asked that info a couple of times now, so am getting used to the needed response lol!

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"Bring me all of your dreams, you dreamer. Bring me all your heart melodies, that I may wrap them in a blue cloud cloth. Away from the too rough fingers of the world." - Langston Hughes"

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posted December 19, 2007 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lovely ~

Linda Goodman's "Sun Signs" is available as a free E-book here:
http://mizian.com.ne.kr/englishwiz/library/names/zodiac/contents.htm

Enjoy!!
~ Zala

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I was insecure at a younger age, and this held me back. Now that I'm older, I find that I need to communicate with others in order to fully express myself. I also have Merc in Sagittarius in 7th...could be a contributor. I also have my rising in Gemini...I love to talk!!!

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Sun Capricorn (8th House)
Moon Leo (3rd House)
Mercury Sagittarius (7th House)
Venus Capricorn (7th House)
Mars Leo (3rd House)
Asc/Rising Gemini

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Wow, 4hours that must be hard.

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Sun; Scorpio
Moon; Taurus
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posted August 14, 2019 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cappieluvsscorp:
I was insecure at a younger age, and this held me back. Now that I'm older, I find that I need to communicate with others in order to fully express myself. I also have Merc in Sagittarius in 7th...could be a contributor. I also have my rising in Gemini...I love to talk!!!


Hmm, I know a Gem Rising girl who’s Pisces Mercury sextiles Neptune at 0’04; unfortunately, she is terrible at communication. Not just speaking, but all forms of it. Weird thing is? She has Mercury trine Mars, and Mars In The 3rd House.

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Cancer Rising
2nd House Leo Sun
3rd House Leo Mercury
6th House Sagittarius Moon & Pluto
1st House Cancer Venus & Mars
9th House Pisces Jupiter conjunct MC.

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I like to think that my Chiron in Gemini contributed towards my speech disorder (stammer).

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Originally posted by afroken:
Mercury in the 1st in Sag
Sextile Jupiter and Saturn.
Saturn in 3rd
Moon in 6th.

Feels mentally isolated with people as well.. Can't seem to find something to talk about when with people, even with very close friends. Can't engage in a conversation. All the same problems. I tend to think to much and fail to talk casually. Not that I'm shy to speak, i often feel like even we're talking I always feel disinterested and can't connect, yet i try hard to make it interesting. Might be my Sun, Moon, Saturn t-square. I used to be very outspoken when i was younger but I just seem to get more and more quiet.. And now I feel so pressured to change and talk more.. Makes people think i'm snobby and unfriendly..
When I'm alone with someone else I feel very awkward and uncomfortable when there's silence. I always talk first but the conversation ends the next second.. Often when people talk to me I'm not sure what to say, because sometimes I'm not sure which answer I want to reply. And I say the wrong things *points at saggie mercury*.


Hmm, I didn't know Saturn In The 3rd House could overpower a 1st House Sagittarius Mercury. How interesting! Goes to show that the 3rd House and its inhabitants, are first and foremost responsible or one's communication habits, style, and delivery preferences.

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Cancer Rising
2nd House Leo Sun
3rd House Leo Mercury
6th House Sagittarius Moon & Pluto
1st House Cancer Venus & Mars
9th House Pisces Jupiter conjunct MC.

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