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Mama Mia
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posted December 18, 2007 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the city that I live in this guy killed a girl and it was all over the news such a mysterious case, Between sept and Early December they have gathered much evidence against this guy and I found out his bday and stuff and did his Chart, by the way the girl he killed shared the same bday with him but two years difference..After reading things about him, I would say this chart fits his personality to a tee..Here is the story for anyone intersted..
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/688662,CST-NWS-potts09s1.article

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posted December 18, 2007 12:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whose chart is that? The Numbers don't add up.

The article is dated 12/9/07. His age is listed at 30. The chart you put up show Uranus at 0 degrees Scorpio. Uranus was at the position in April of 1975. This should make him 32 for a December 9, 2007 article.

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Mama Mia
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posted December 18, 2007 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is his chart..

planet sign degree motion
Sun Aries 22°12'50 end of house 3 direct
Moon Aquarius 10°25'39 in house 2 direct
Mercury Taurus 11°21'21 in house 4 direct
Venus Aries 12°43'19 in house 3 retrograde
Mars Pisces 18°03'13 in house 2 direct
Jupiter Gemini 1°43'36 in house 5 direct
Saturn Leo 9°57'09 in house 8 stationary (D)
Uranus Scorpio 10°30'45 in house 10 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 15°58'46 in house 12 retrograde
Pluto Libra 12°33'21 in house 9 retrograde
True Node Libra 24°20'59 end of house 9 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

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posted December 18, 2007 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

what's his full birthdata?
I want to check it out. ..especially check out some of the kuiper belt objects like Eris,Orcus,and Ixion.

I really hate things like this. As a person who is of color,I feel ashamed when many people of color do violent crimes and add to the arguments of white racists including especially Klu Klux Klan.

I wish that there more reports about people of color who do good things and help others and not the opposite.

Sometimes I feel that the things that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. did were done in vain.

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Mama Mia
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posted December 18, 2007 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
April 12th 1977
Chicago, IL 12:00 am..

Let me know what you think Glucus, I have been real interested in this, I am a Criminal Justice major and been doing some investigation of my own on this..

I too am ashamed of the black on black crime and I am terribly upset about how these men are killing these women like its a common thing to do or something..

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posted December 18, 2007 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are interested in crime data you might like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Astro-Data-Profiles-Crime-Lois-Rodden/dp/0963371606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198000373&sr=8-1

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First of all he has moon in aquarius squaring URANUS and opposing Saturn, the moon sums up his views on women and how he sees them, these aspects plus the moon in aquarius indicates he has major ISSUES with women esp him mother, she probably left him or hurt him in a huge way. My guess she wasnt around.

Then you have Mars squaring Neptune- and in Pisces...this usually a sign of criminal/and a life cut short either by jail or death.

Mars in pisces would mean he gets off on needy helpless women. Mars is sexuality and actions. His actions are hidden(12th house-pisces)...so he was very good at hiding what hes done. Why hes probably gotten away with as much as he has.


Moon squares Mercury means hes a great liar, and probably cant help but lie in most of converstations. He is a "smooth talker" and has a way to say the right thing in a very hard spot. Lying is like breathing to him.

Although its a wide opposition between his sun and pluto, I think its pretty significant and indicates huge power issues, esp with authority figures and men in his life.
He has a strong need to control.

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What's their history?

I've read that the charts of killers and their victims are usually quite similar.

I'm not expert...

But looking at their charts I see a lot of sexual energy. With a loose aspect between her mars and his sun, those energies will be expressed one way or the other. In his chart there is an exact Pluto opp. Venus aspect. This is the quintessential control freak in relationships.

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posted December 18, 2007 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a letter that he was passing around on the internet to gain sympathy from the public turns out it was all a lie as I suspected. You guys are right I do believe that he was a major control freak and they had a Very similar chart, she was Aries with Libra moon and Venus in Pisces with Mars in Aries. They had a double whammy of Mars Conjunct Venus..Its kind of long..He was a foreal con man..

My Statement


I would like to start by saying the last three weeks have been a living hell for me, my friends and my entire family. My prayers go out to the Franklin family, and I pray that God keeps Nailah close to him and allows her soul to rest. I have not had the time nor space to truly deal with how Nailah’s disappearance and death has affected me. I have had to endure from day one the false belief by many, including members of her own family, that I somehow played a role in her disappearance. I am saddened by this horrible belief some may have, and am deeply pained by the words that have been used to describe me. I have been label everything from a “murderer, stalker, killer, con-man, drug dealer, womanizer, evil man, and countless other insulting names. My name has been smeared all across the television, radio, internet, and print media. Everywhere I turn someone else is convicting me, and saying how I should rot in prison or hell for the rest of my life. This conviction is based solely on HEARSAY and GOSSIP!! There has not been one shred of information or evidence released by the authorities that indicates I was involved in the disappearance or death of Nailah Franklin. Additionally, I have never even been labeled as a suspect in her disappearance! Yet and still, the Media has associated my character and finally my name with this story to the point where any person who can read, listen to the radio, or watch a news cast, would believe I was involved. Because of these reports, my life has been threatened; my addresses have been circulated around the internet, along with pictures of myself and one of my daughters. There have been numerous threatening emails, voicemails, and text messages. There is also a reported contract on my life, which allegedly originated with members of Nailah’s family. I am well aware of how my character was first introduced to the authorities and media. During one of the first interviews after the missing person report was filed on behalf of Nailah, one of Nailah’s friends Dana McClellan stated to the media on camera that she had heard a threatening voicemail from one of Nailah’s former acquaintances. From that point forward my character, and then my name began to be smeared through the media. I have heard the authorities speak on the report of a threat, however I have NEVER heard if the police have independently verified that a threatening voicemail exist or existed. Yet that report from Ms. McClellan has been reported over and over as if it is a fact. Aside from Ms. McClellan’s statement, NOTHING else directly indicates my involvement in this situation.

MY RELATIONSHIP WITH NAILAH FRANKLIN


I met Nailah in the spring of 2006, we began having very random telephone conversations, and tried a few times to hang out, however we never connected in person partly due to her schedule, and my own obligations. When we did finally start seeing each other, I really enjoyed the time we spent together. She reminded me of a female version of myself, very tough, opinionated, outgoing, determined to succeed, funny and very passionate. We are both Aries, and share the same birthday. With both of us always feeling the need to have the last word, we always engaged in very interesting conversations. I remember her sister, Marina, telling me at a lunch she attended with Nailah and I, that Nailah’s nickname was “little moot”. She went on to say that the nickname came from their grandmother, who being the original “moot”, made it impossible for you to win an argument with her. So from that point forward, Nailah became “little moot” to me. At some point we became intimately involved. After a while things began to change. I had always stated that I was just dating and not looking for a serious relationship and she agreed at first. However, her feelings on us casually dating began to change after a while. There was also an issue that occurred when one of Nailah friends Alyssia Bailey, had her sister, who is a lawyer do a background check on me. This background check revealed that I had been arrested before. Nailah was hurt and angered by this because she felt she should have heard that from me, not another person. That caused a bit of tension, however after we talked about everything, and I gave her all the information about the past arrest, things were alright again. We continued to see each other on a causal level with no commitment. She told me she was dating other people, and she was well aware that I was dating a few other women also. Our only rule was, not to put each other at risk for anything, if we where indeed intimate with someone else. At some point Nailah started questioning why we didn’t hang out or go out to the movies or dinner. She felt that I saw our interaction on only one level, and she implied she needed and wanted more out of our interactions. I continued to state my position of not wanting a girlfriend, and that all the things she was trying to interest me in doing were gearing toward boyfriend/girlfriend interactions, which I was not ready for, nor interested in having. After each of these conversations, Nailah would say, “o.k. you need not be in my life anymore, I won’t call you, you don’t call me, and we’re done” And I would always say alright. However within a couple days or the most a couple weeks we would find ourselves back involved in an intimate situation. This type of back and forth, on again, off again interaction went on at least ten times before our last contact in mid August. She sent me a very heartfelt email on July 16th 2007, expressing her need to walk away from our situation. I didn’t respond to the email and I did as I had always done with her; give her, her space. If that was to truly be our “adios…” then that was fine with me, however I knew it would be a matter of time before she called or text me and our situation would resume again. And she did. She text me about a week later saying she missed me, and wanted to see me. Shortly after that I received an email, inviting me to attend her art show. We met for the last time in late August and had breakfast at Yolk on South Michigan Ave. We left that breakfast saying we would be friends. She informed me that she had met a new gentleman named Andre, and that she liked him a lot and that she expressed excitement about their possible future. She said they were not intimate yet, and that he lived kind of far. I gave her some advice on things she shouldn’t do in her new relationship, which always caused a problem for me, like pushing the boyfriend thing as hard as she did with me. Nailah, as most single women of her age do, had been dating several people while we were involved, there was a Northwestern Plastic surgeon, a young man who was in the music industry, and an old boyfriend she would still see. And she had no problem telling me of their existence. Our pattern showed that, every time one of those relationships heated up, she would give me her “adios” speech or email. I think this was done more so to get a reaction out of me, and to see if I would step up to the plate and enter into a committed relationship with her.
Around the 27th of August, I was on a boat with several women I know, and one of Nailah’s co-workers, Tiffany. Tiffany would later speak to Nailah about seeing me on the boat with another young lady. Tiffany informed me that once she told Nailah about seeing me on the boat, that Nailah began to ask who I was with and if I was dating the person I was on the boat with. Tiffany stated to me that she told Nailah,” you’re dating a new guy, Reginald is dating; don’t worry about what he’s doing”. However, I received a telephone call early on the morning of August 29th. It was from Nailah and she wanted to know how long I had been in this “serious” relationship with Tiffany’s friend. I didn’t like the way she was questioning me, so I hung up the phone. She called back and left a nasty voicemail (which I turned over to the police when I went to speak with them) calling me out of my name and stating I was wrong for not talking to her about “my new situation”. I did not return her call, or contact her by any means. However, approximately one week later on the 6th of September, I received an email from Nailah where I had been b.c.c’d. The email subject line “Your boy”, was sent to Dana McClellan, and Tiffany (Nailah’s co-worker, and the young lady from the boat) it read “This is so funny…” and it contained a link to the 2001 escape from the federal building which I was involved in. A few moments later I received another email from Nailah with the same information, but this one read, “So scary….such a loser”. I immediately called Tiffany, who said she had not received the email yet. I knew exactly what Nailah was doing. I figured she was upset when she heard that I was in a “serious” relationship that quickly, and she got more upset when I wouldn’t take her calls that morning. So she sent the federal escape article to Tiffany, whom she figured would tell the “new girl I was serious with” and I would be embarrassed. The article was not something she had just found out about, we had discussed it previously. I even sent the article to her last year when she first learned of my past arrest. Thinking her motivation was to embarrass me, I sat down with one of my friends and composed, what is now an email I truly regret sending. I sent her that very mean email dated September 6th where I state amongst other mean things,


The only issue of a threat came up in the emails dated (9/6) & (9/10), about me releasing a video of us together; I have never threatened the life of Nailah.
This was one of last exchanges that I had with Nailah Franklin. Of course in hind sight I truly regret that those last interactions were like that. I had no Idea Nailah would later come up missing and ultimately become a victim of a violent crime. My email was a harsh way of saying, move on with your life, and stop worrying about me. We all have had difficult “break-up’s (if that’s the right word to use) I am sure that the reaction that people have when they read the email, is due to the fact that she is no longer with us. And no one should talk bad about a deceased person, especially when that person was a victim of crime. The email was a mean thing to send, and I know I could have found a better way to relay my feelings instead of being mean-spirited. However, being mean-spirited in that email does not make me a murderer, nor does it mean that I am talking about Nailah now in a negative way or trying to dirty up her image in order to remove the spotlight of all the public’s gossip off of me. I believe the truth and the facts of the situation will do that, not me talking about Nailah. Because, no matter what issues caused our interaction to cease, this was still a young lady who made me smile and with whom I had a wonderful time, when we were in agreement about our interaction and the direction of our relationship. I have had the difficult time of grieving for her, feeling sorrow for the fact that, the last interactions we had were nasty emails, and also trying to protect myself and family from the hateful gossip that is being spread about me. Lastly, I will take a few moments to address some of the misconceptions that have circulated about me.


1. Nailah never did any Real Estate transactions for me or through my company, and I did not owe her any money from a deal gone bad.
2. We were NOT boyfriend & girlfriend
3. She was not about to expose me for some illegal activity. I don’t engage in any illegal practices.
4. She did not ruin a relationship with the mother of my Daughter, by telling her we had been involved, that relationship was already over.
5. I am not a DRUG DEALER! I have never been arrested on any illicit drug charges.
6. I have an order of protection from May 2007 for grabbing a cell phone out of my daughter’s mother hand. No physical abuse occurred only the grabbing of the phone. (read the reports from Dupage County)
7. The second order of protection came from September 2007, when I kicked on the front door of the house my daughter lives in and demanded to see my daughter, again no physical abuse was involved.
Trust me when I say, I am not making excuses for my actions
I just want people to be informed that the orders of protections
Did not come from violence toward any women
8. I am not sure why Nailah’s sisters refused to acknowledge the fact that they know of me. I had lunch with Marina & Nailah over the summer, and Leiha called me the day after Nailah’s disappearance.
9. The emails that were released over the internet were not done at my request, and I did not have any prior knowledge about them being leaked. I sent those emails along with several voice messages that were left by Nailah, to a handful of my friends, to explain the situation to them, and most importantly to safeguard them from possible deletion; due to my previous contact with law enforcement. As it has already been reported, I had an encounter with the Chicago F.B.I. in the summer of 2001, where I escaped their custody after being arrested on a warrant. Once I learned of their involvement in this investigation, my thoughts immediately centered on the anger they had toward me from that escape, which caused them a great deal of embarrassment, and I believe resulted in several agents being disciplined.

10. As for my arrest this past Friday on charges of verbal assault of a gas station security guard, that incident happened as follows; While sitting in the BP food mart with a female friend of mine I noticed the security guard motioning and pointing in my direction to several gas station attendants’ and customers. My friend then over heard him state to one of them that I was the person in the news who was responsible for the murder of Nailah Franklin. Two Chicago Police officers walked into the BP, and the security guard repeated this same statement to them. When I left the BP’s food mart and returned to my car the officers circled around my car twice, and as I pulled out I was followed, then pulled over. The reason I was given for the stop was due to them not being able to see my license plate sticker. I called 911 and ask that a supervisor be sent to the scene, because I felt like I was being hararassed. When the supervisor arrived and I explain the issue, I was told “you know we have our eye on you, you got to expect this to happen”. I was placed in handcuffs and driven to the station, were I was given a traffic ticket and released. While there in the station, the officer responded to my complaints about being harassed by saying the security guard told them about me, and that they were not harassing me. When I later went into the gas station for gas, (which is a block away from my house) I recorded my entrance on my cell phone video recorder, I saw the security guard and asked why he would continue to spread such rumors about me. I told him if he did not witness anything first hand, then he should shut his mouth. I left, and two days later I was arrested by my home while talking on the phone. I tried to show the police the video I have of the entire situation, but they refused to look at it or listen to what really happened. (I still have that recording in my possession) I was charged with verbal assault, a misdemeanor. I was told it normally takes 1-4 hours to be processed out of the police station for a misdemeanor offense; I was placed in a cold room with no food for more then 26 hours, before I was released. My lawyer was even made to wait almost three hours to see me.


In closing, this horrible tragedy has been extremely trying on my spirit and emotional strength. I have lost several business related deals, had casual acquaintances’ look at me with an eye of suspicion, and even experienced the complete break down of interaction with the mothers’ of my daughters. I humbly ask that the hateful energy that has been expressed toward me cease! I was not involved in this senseless crime, and continue to be affected by the gossip based convictions I am receiving. I pray the Media’s momentum in my direction; will not stop the law enforcement agencies’ investigating this crime from effectively looking at all possible leads and persons of interest. I ask all those who have rushed to judge me on gossip, to take moment and remember the gentleman from Atlanta, Richard Jewel. Mr. Jewel was thought to be the 1996 Olympic bomber, his life was destroyed by the Medias rush to judge and all the frenzy that comes with the power of reporting on emotionally charged stories. Later it was learned that he in fact had nothing to do with the bombing, (another man was charged and confessed to the bombing) and ironic as it may have sounded to those who reported his involvement in that crime; he(Mr. Jewel) was actually assisting people and trying to get them away from the blast site. Never the less, when the truth did finally surface, Mr. Jewels life had be turned upside down and inside out, and he stated years later that he had never recovered from that awful period in his life.

My sincere prayers will continue to go out to the family, and friends of Nailah. I know this must be a difficult period for them. As a young man who was raised in a home with five sister’s and a single mother, I do not even wish to imagine how my life would have been affected if something like this had happened to one of them. As the father of three beautiful daughters, this situation makes me want to hug them a little tighter, and protect them even more, from the world in which we live. May God bless and comfort all who have been affected by this terrible loss of a woman whose life was just beginning.


Reginald Potts, Jr.
October 10, 2007

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posted December 18, 2007 01:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heres her myspace page: www.myspace.com/41787782


I found it with her email address...very pretty girl...sad..

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posted December 18, 2007 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The thing that stands out most in his chart is the fixed grand cross of the opposition of Mercury in Taurus in 4th and Uranus in Scorpio in 10th square the opposition of Moon in Aquarius in 2nd and Saturn in Leo in 8th house. This seems to indicate that he could have problems with feeling and thinking that he's oppressed,restricted,limited, and so he feels and thinks that he needs to rebel against it. He is a very freespirited person...especially with Sagittarius Ascendant,and he has problems dealing with authority and this could be very connected to unstable homelife that was filled with much disappointment,and sadness including especially with his mother which would lead to much trouble with women. He seems like a very insecure person with low self worth and so he feels and thinks that he has to make other people suffer and try to make them less than himself to sooth his own ego. There could even be bipolar like tendencies, but that's something that only a psychiatrist can confirm after extensive psychological testing. His Mars in Pisces in Pisces in 2nd square retrograde Neptune in Sagittarius in 12th seems like he can act like a victim and can have passive-aggressive tendencies. He could end up using the excuse of being a victim to excuse his actions. It can indicate possible addictions to drugs and or alcoholic. His Venus conjunct Eris in Aries in 3rd oppose Pluto in 9th indicates aggressive,obsessive tendences in love/relationships that involve power issues,violence,and even death. Love/relationships for him can be very controversial and he could have a tendency to stir things up and cause trouble in them. I also wonder if his relationships,lovelife was affected by racism,bigotry or any way especially when he was in school. I also wonder if he's a racist,bigot too. I definitely view hard Venus-Pluto aspect as "The Fatal Attraction Aspect" He has Venus parallel Pluto to add to that! So he has a Venus-Pluto bilevel.


I looked up Ixion which is a large kuiper belt Plutino named after a Lapith King,grand son of Ares,was considered the first murderer in Greek mythology and who Zeus was going to purify,but he was punished for trying to seduce Hera....Zeus formed a cloud in a form of Hera,and Ixion had sexual relations with her, he bragged about it, and Zeus had him bound to a flaming wheel,spinning forever in Tartarus. Some say the wheel signifies the cycle of rebirth and so Ixion has to do with Karma. Ixion was the father of Centarus from mating with the fake Hera. Centaurus was the father of the lusty,rowdy centaurs. Ixion can be very sexual,violent,relentless energy.


His Ixion conjuncts his Uranus with 32 minutes of arc, is square Moon with 37 minutes of arc,oppose his Mercury with 18 minutes of arc,and square his Saturn with 1'06 orb. That indicates that Ixion is very prominent in his chart and aspects his grand cross. This would seem to indicate a highly sexual,relentless person with an unusually great potential for violence and murder that would generate a heavy karmic debt.


Orcus is a large kuiper belt Plutino named after the Roman God of death. It could be an intense,deadly energy

His Orcus squares Midheaven with 1'21 orb,and that indicates that he can be very intense,deadly and this could also be connected to how he was raised with Orcus squaring the Imum Coeli. He could have been exposed to a lot of violence growing up. His Orcus also parallel his Venus with 12 minutes of arc and his Pluto with 22 minutes of arc. Therefore he has Venus-Pluto-Orcus parallel which can indicate a very intense love nature that is very deadly and that fatal attractions,abusive relationships that can lead to death.


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posted December 18, 2007 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All that sounds real messed up, I am just so happy that he is off the streets and no longer able to harm another woman..

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posted December 18, 2007 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Last weekend, I was reading about Ixion in regards to serial killers. The astrologer said that he says them prominent in the charts of serial killers or famous killers or their victims. http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/aarch04/0404apr/alex.shtml

I have Sun conj retrograde Ixion in Scorpio in 2nd with only 5 minutes of arc,quincunx my retrograde Saturn with 16 minutes of arc. My Moon in Pisces in 6th trines Ixion with 2'15 orb and quincunx Pluto in Libra in 1st with 2'32 orb. I also have Sun contraparallel Orcus with 1 minute of arc and contraparallel Pluto with 42 minutes of arc. I have Eris in Aries in 8th with 1'12 orb and my Sun conjunct/oppose South Eris Node in Scorpio in 2nd/North Eris Node in Taurus in 8th with 10 minutes of arc. I don't believe in killing,but it seems like there is a strong potential for me to be killed connected to pastlife karma of being a killer myself. I was also with my mom when she was shot 3 days before my 3rd birthday by a schizophrenic who broke into our home. She and I would have been killed,but she found the willpower and the rage to get up and save our lives. So both my mom and I have had our near violent death experiences. Therefore,I know that it's very possible that it can happen to me. It's also one of the reasons that I take life very seriously. I am also not afraid of death...especially when I believe in reincarnation.

My mother has Orcus conjunct Ascendant in Cancer with only 10 minutes of arc, and that seem to indicate her deadly experiences as well as her intensity that can be deadly. She has Orcus parallel Mercury with 39 minutes of,Venus with 28 minutes of arc,Uranus with 16 minutes of arc,Pluto with 39 minutes of arc,and contraparallel Moon with 52 minutes of arc. She also has Ixion semisextile Moon with 57 minutes of arc and square Mercury with with 2'27 orb. She has Eris semisextile Midheaven with 10 minutes of arc.
She has Moon in Scorpio in 5th square Pluto which parallels her Sun,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,Uranus,and Ascendant. So there is a strong potential for violence and death.


Eris,Orcus,and Ixion are no joke when it comes to violence,death,and murder even though Pluto is nothing to underestimate when it comes to those things.


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posted December 18, 2007 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sister was killed in 1991 same kind of situation thats why I am intereseted in this stuff...Crazy stuff..

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posted December 18, 2007 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I am very sorry about your sister.

As you know from my experiences,I hate violent criminals. For years,I have been a strong believer in the death penalty. I believe if somebody takes a life,he/she should pay with his/her own life. I do feel that the justice system has flaws,and so I am not sure...especially with a lot of people on death row being cleared through DNA. Not to mention...there is a high proportion of blacks on death row too.

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posted December 19, 2007 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Where did you find his full birthdata? That's very hard to come by.

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posted December 19, 2007 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"What's their history?

I've read that the charts of killers and their victims are usually quite similar.

I'm not expert...

But looking at their charts I see a lot of sexual energy. With a loose aspect between her mars and his sun, those energies will be expressed one way or the other. In his chart there is an exact Pluto opp. Venus aspect. This is the quintessential control freak in relationships."


They are. They are like 2 sides of the same coin. It's hard to differentiate the chart of a violent perpetrator from the chart of a victim of violence. Also a lot of violent perpetrators were also victims of violence. My own mother is perfect example. I mentioned that she was shot, and she later on physically abused me.
Serial John Wayne Gacy was abused by his father,serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer was sexually molested, female serial killer was physically/sexually abused as a child.


I also want to make a point that not all abused people become abusive themselves including me. I even donate to Childhelp organization which has to do with child abuse prevention. A lot of abused become advocates in regards to child abuse.


btw......I have seen Venus oppose Pluto aspect in a woman's chart long time ago on irc, and I said something about abusive relationship and she denied it. Then she messaged me and asked her how did I know that and confessed that she was in abusive relationship. People with Pluto aspects as well as strong Scorpio/Pluto/8th house influence can be very secretive...especially about things like abuse. I was very secretive about being abused by my parents. I never told anybody when I was a kid what happened to me. It was only until adulthood,that I told a few friends about it. It wasn't until I was 24 years old,I realized that I was being abused and so my mom going crazy on me,cursing at me,calling me names referring to me being stupid, and punching me until I was 19 wasn't something that I deserved nor did I deserve my stepfather hitting me either. I didn't forgive my mom for abusing me until April of 2006 at the age of 34. My girlfriend was the catalyst for that...ironically my girlfriend has Moon in Scorpio conjunct Pluto like my mom has Moon in Scorpio square Pluto. My gf is nothing like my mom for she's not abusive,violent,nor mentally ill.


That's why abused and/or mentally ill parents need to get treatment/therapy because a lot of them are in danger of inflicting emotional/physical abuse on their children....especially if they are hypersensitive,highly emotional,very intense types like mother.

People seem to think that violent people are insensitive,sociopaths for the most part. That's not necessarily the case. I tend to half jokingly say "It's not the insensitive people to watch out for....it's the overly sensitive people to watch out for"

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Mama Mia, I am really sorry about your sister. I can't even begin to imagine how it feels to lose a sibling.

Glaucus, I'm sorry that you had to endure abuse from your mother. No child should have to grow up in an environment like that, but sadly many do. But despite the harsh circumstances it seems like you've grown into a respectable adult.

I've got the venus opposition pluto aspect and I seem to attract obsessive men. By "obsessive" I mean that when they just look at me, they propose marriage, follow me around and just behave strangely in general. I find it very creepy and alarming. So do you think this aspect is largely responsible for my um...issues with men?

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Since I was born six days before this guy, I would like to point out that most of the aspects mentioned here, as well as the planets in particular signs, are very similar to my chart. I'm not a killer. I don't have serious control issues or problems with violence or sex.

The generalities, like Mars in Pisces squaring Neptune being a sign of a criminal, or what Mars in Pisces, or even the Sun opposite pluto (my is 3 degrees) or Venus opposite Pluto (my is 3 degrees) usually mean, don't apply to me. It just seems to me that there has to be a better way to understand why a person does these things, and a whole chart approach has to be made. Has anyone looked at transits?

I don't want to sound like I'm lecturing anyone, but it is rather disconcerting to read these things.

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People on the thread included houses involving the aspects that are mentioned. That makes the aspects more personal. Things like bilevel were also mentioned. the exactness of the aspects are also different like he has Venus oppose Pluto exact,but you don't. There is a big difference. The closest orbed aspect in a chart tends to be the strongest theme. Also his Venus oppose Pluto is strengthened by Venus parallels Pluto for a bilevel. His Eris is also aspects the Venus oppose Pluto.


The whole chart approach was made. I even mentioned the thing that stands out most in his chart is the fixed grand cross of the opposition of Mercury in Taurus in 4th and Uranus in Scorpio in 10th square the opposition of Moon in Aquarius in 2nd and Saturn in Leo in 8th house. I explained what it means. I also pointed out his challenging Orcus,Ixion aspects too. I even pointed out how Orcus aspects his Venus-Pluto in the declinations. I mentioned the aspects involving the Moon and Midheaven,and those are highly personal aspects. I focus on narrow orbs too.

also......any aspect can have both positive and negative manifestations. It's up to the person to decide how he uses his energies...even when it comes to transits,solar arcs,secondary progressions. Astrologers also use their intuition. They see a chart,and they will have impressions of what that chart says. The same thing with tarot cards. When tarot card readers see a spread,they get impressions from what they see in the cards.

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Turns out he did kill her..They traced his cell phone movement and hers was the same as his which puts him in the vicinity with her the time of her death. Plus his alibi did not stand up..They are seeking the death penalty for him..

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I apologize if you saw my plea as a slight against your methodology or as overlooking your contribution, Glaucus. It was designed to be a general statement that I hoped to serve as a reminder to those who might misinterpret these planets and signs and aspects in a wholly negative way, not as an indictment against anyone.

Khalas. Salam.

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I understand,berryberry...it's all good

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MamaMia,

I hope that he will get what he deserves.

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