posted December 21, 2007 06:55 AM              

I know we love to explore every single corner of synastric connections.

But today I want to know what do you think are the real important things?
The foundation of any kind of synastry?
What do you look for first and foremost?

posted December 21, 2007 11:34 AM              

The things I think are most important for any (romantic) relationship:

*A's Sun favorably aspecting B's Venus
*A's Moon favorably aspecting B's Sun OR Ascendant
*A's Venus favorably aspecting B's Mars
*A's Venus favorably aspecting B's Moon
*A's Ascendant/Descendant favorably aspecting B's Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or North Node (with the conjunction being the strongest aspect of course)
*Venus/Pluto double-whammies (it can't get any more intense)
*A's Venus favorably aspecting B's Chiron
*A's Mercury favorably aspecting B's Mercury

Asepcts I usually watch out for:

*A's Sun square/opposition B's Saturn
*A's Moon square B's Moon
*A's Moon square B's Mars
*A's Moon square B's Saturn
*A's Moon square/conjunct/opposition B's Neptune (nice at first, but painful once you take off the rose-colored glasses)
*A's Venus square B's Saturn
*A's Mars square B's Mars
*A's Mars square B's Saturn

Of course, every relationship has a number of "bad" aspects as well. But as long as there are enough strong positive aspects to balance things out I don't see a problem with having those "bad" aspects in synastry. If on the other hand a couple has (almost) all of those aspects with no or very few positive aspects that's when I am basically starting to count the days until they break up.

posted December 21, 2007 01:36 PM              

Based on what i learned/heared
- the 1st step should be to check the natals of the persons, see the current transits, progressions etc, plus to see how much they fit into each others horoscope (if its a romantic relationship, then check the 5th and 7th house, its rules, and the planets in it)

-where each others Asc,MC,Sun and Moon falls can show the aim of the relationship (usually if at least 2 of them falls in the 8th house of the other persons, then its not a good indication for a long term relationship)
In a long term relationship i consider a positive Sun-Moon aspect to be a very important one
-main aspects to the others Asc is significant as well
-2 or more personal planets falling in the other persons 12th house, indicate karmic depts, what the house person have to pay back this life

- check the compatibility of Asc, Sun and Moon, and not just like ASC to Asc, but, ASC to Sun, ASc to Moon..etc (stressful aspects between each others Moon is maybe the hardest to handle)

-for romantic relationship check Venus, Mars, Pluto, the 5th and 8th house rulers aspects to each others, the planets in these two houses

-for a long term relationship a main, positive aspect is VERY important between two persons Mercuries

-Saturn aspects for stability, and i personally see Saturn-SAturn aspect as well very important, not just Saturn to personal planets
And i also think a heavy Saturn aspect, like SAturn square the others Moon, is not neccessarily a bad one, if there are other easy aspects to balance it
And many says Moon-SAturn is one of the most karmic aspects in synastry

-of course, play much attention to the Nodes, both South and North Node
Though i would only look for the conjunctions or squares between ones Node and planets

-one persons planets conjunct the other persons IC or the ruler of its 4th house could indicate past life connection as well (like the South Node) with a possibility of a past family connection

-then look for the aspects between ones Uranus, Neptun, Pluto and the others personal planets

-check the midpoints, Sun-Moon, personal planets-Saturn or mainly anything

-check the paralels for the declinations, its said its as powerful as a conjunction
About contraparalels i heard different theoris, whether is like a less effectful conjunction or an opposition, i dont know

-check Chiron, i consider it as a very important planet, it can tell so much about the past life wounds

-i would use other bodies like Vertex and Juno for sure.
Vertex shows fated connection if it makes strong aspect to the other persons Asc, Sun, or Moon
While Juno shows our ideal long term partner
and its aspect to Jupiter for example can indicate an unbreakable connection (based on mythology)

-then you can look at the composite or Davison,
I think if a synastry lack of, lets say SAturn aspects, but in the composite you find a strong one, then i consider it to be important

These are my main points

edited:
-i would use 2-3 degree orbs (for conjunctions it can be up to 5 degree, especially if ASc,Sun or Moon is one of them
-for paralels only 1.2 orb

-in my view opoosition is not neccessarily a bad aspect, for example Sun opposite the others Moon is quite a positive one

posted December 21, 2007 01:49 PM            

Sun/Sun (trine, sextile, opposition, square)
Moon/Moon (trine, conjunction)
Sun/Moon (trine, conjunction, opposition)
Moon/Saturn (trine, sextile)
Sun/Saturn (trine, sextile, opposition)
Sun/Asc (conjunction, opposition)
Moon/Asc (conj, opp)
Asc/Asc (conjunction)

Sexual attraction:

Venus/Mars (all aspects)
Venus/Pluto - same
Mars/Pluto - same
Moon/Mars (conjunction, trine)
Moon/Pluto (conjunction, opposition, trine)
Sun/Venus or Mars - all
Asc/Venus (conjunction, opposition)
Asc/Mars (conjunction, opposition)
Asc/Pluto (conj, opp)
Sun/Pluto (all aspects)

For friendship and good communication:

- easy aspects (trine/sextile/conjunction) between:

Sun/Sun
Moon/Moon
Sun/Mercury
Moon/Venus
Moon/Mercury
Mercury/Mercury
Venus/Venus
Mercury/Jupiter

- any Uranus and Jupiter conjunctions/trines/sextiles to his/her personal planets

posted December 21, 2007 02:14 PM            

Most of the time I'd just be fiddling around seeing what works where, and trying to learn the craft, as it were.

Overall I'd look out for:

* Any close aspects

* Any planets hitting sensitive spots like major configurations.

* Any patterns the two charts if placed on top of each other. (i.e two T-Squares making a Grand Cross)

If you are talking about romantic/sexual relationships and particular aspects I'd be looking out for hard Venus/Mars aspects.

posted December 21, 2007 03:32 PM            

Aspects to the Ruler of the Ascendant

When you can't understand why you get along so well because planetary aspects are just so-so. Look to the above.

posted December 21, 2007 05:09 PM            

The author has put some of the info up on his website:
http://www.positiveastrology.com/

It's under "current articles" - aspects in relationships. He has done quite a lot of research on progressed aspects in synastry.

posted December 22, 2007 09:20 AM            

A very basic rule of thumb is the sun/moon contacts.

Jupiter contacts add benevolance.

posted December 22, 2007 11:31 AM              

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...any combination that lends itself to compatible suns or suns/moons or moons just adds comfort and ease in the relationship.

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I have to disagree a little. Sun/Sun, Sun/Moon and Moon/Moon connections are not the non-plus-ultra for relationships. You always have to see the big picture. For instance, if someone has a Leo Sun but the rest of his chart is all, say, water, he or she will have a hard time getting along with someone with an Aries Moon. Now don't get me wrong ... like I stated in my first post I definitely think that easy Sun/Moon contacts are good for a relationship. But if someone has an Ascendant that is incompatible to the other person's Sun or Moon there won't be much comfort.

posted December 22, 2007 12:37 PM              

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted December 22, 2007 12:42 PM            

But there is always an inherant "comfort" with the individual.

I never, and I do mean NEVER write anything on this forum that is not of my own personal observation.

Once or twice I have quoted Liz Greene and maybe Arroyo in the distant past, but only to support what I have noticed regarding astrology.

Again, from what I have witnessed in many years of studying my own chart and the charts of others, sun/moon connections just make for something very comforting.

Everything else in the synastry can be crap and if the sun/moon connections are "compatible" then there is atleast a basis to work on.

Having said that, my "soul" mate and I do not have any sun/moon favorible contacts, however he is as Piscean as I am Aquarian, me being a Pisces sun and he an Aqua...now surely we do connect on many levels and always will...but since our first meeting, there was always this feeling of un-ease.

Others I have connected to, including my daughters and my immediate family members all have the a sun/moon thing going on and I have noted that there is always comfort and ease within the relation.

Synastry is such a trickey thing.

Astrology is so complex anyway, dealing with the human condition, but when you blend the energies of two humans....it becomes even more complex!!!

posted December 22, 2007 01:05 PM            

Looking back on serious relationships you should technically find at least one Sun/Moon, Sun/Sun or Moon/Moon contact.

posted December 22, 2007 06:21 PM              

@hippichick

May I ask you what exactly you are insinuating??? I respect other people's opinions but I expect others to do the same thing. I never said that you were writing about stuff that you have not actually seen in real life. But the same thing holds true for me. Just like you I was talking about my own personal experience. I've seen several long-term relationships (meaning they are married for 30+ years) where the partners didn't have ANY contact between their Sun/Moon or Moon/Moon or Sun/Sun (they only had parallels and contraparallels). However, I've seen several cases where the partners had a Sun/Sun semisextile (which as far as I know does not count as a favorable aspect by traditional interpretations).
Synastry is about seeing the big picture. Those Sun/Moon (and Sun/Sun and Moon/Moon) theories are basically generalizations that pretty much disregard the natal chart of a person. But as you surely know people are more than just their Sun (and Moon) sign. There are so many more things to consider.

posted December 22, 2007 06:49 PM            

Like I said, in my opinion squares (and oppositions) are important as well. Your Sun squares a Virgo Sun.. It also squares a Virgo Moon by sign - so the aspect (Sun/Sun or Sun/Moon) is there.

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It was Virgo ... which according to the Sun/Moon theory shouldn't work out. But "surprisingly" I feel more comfortable in the presence of Virgos. So much for the theory...

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That version of the theory is bull, I agree with you.
Like I said, my mum's Sun (Leo) squares my step dad's Moon (Taurus) by the degree.. They've been together happily for years. I don't think *all* astrologers who talk about the Sun/Moon theory refer to "good" aspects only.
I'm sure I've read that any of the strong aspects - conjunction/opposition/square - are better for a long term relationship - rather than having none (like having just a sextile for example, or no major aspects at all)

The Ascendant is very important as well. You're right about that.

:edit:
I only just read this part:

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've seen several long-term relationships (meaning they are married for 30+ years) where the partners didn't have ANY contact between their Sun/Moon or Moon/Moon or Sun/Sun (they only had parallels and contraparallels). However, I've seen several cases where the partners had a Sun/Sun semisextile (which as far as I know does not count as a favorable aspect by traditional interpretations).

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I'm not surprised about the semi-sextile thing, because I actually mentioned on another thread that almost all the marriages in my family or family friends and people I know of - have semi-sextile Suns. For some reason it's very very common. I think it's because of Mercury/Venus aspects - because they are always close to the Sun so they often end up in the sign before or after your own Sun sign.

posted December 22, 2007 07:16 PM              

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...in my opinion squares (and oppositions) are important as well. ...

...I don't think *all* astrologers who talk about the Sun/Moon theory refer to "good" aspects only.

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Agreed ... However, I still think that a Moon/Ascendant conjunction or a Sun/Ascendant conjunction is better for a long-term relationship than a Moon/Moon or Sun/Moon square (of course, I am generalizing things here ... because like I said the entire charts of both people need to be taken into consideration).

Anyway, what I was basically trying to say is that one should NEVER disregard aspects between the Sun or the Moon and the Ascendant. Sun/Ascendant and Moon/Ascendant contacts are just as important as Sun/Sun, Sun/Moon and Moon/Moon contacts. I simply feel that it is an over-generalization to say that without a Sun/Moon contact you can't have a long-term relationship with someone. But that's just IMHO...

*edit*

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That being said, these people still had other Sun/Moon aspects. I don't know any with *no* major Sun/Moon or Moon/Moon - that lasted.. but that's just my experience.

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posted December 23, 2007 06:14 AM              

My opinion on this is that I think Sun, Moon, ASC could maybe called the "foundation" of ones personality.
And the other person "should" be in tune to this basic personality.
I do think that a Sun-Moon-aspect indicates that people can relate to each other, but I would never disregard the ASC-aspects. The ASC is maybe the most personal point in the chart (along with the IC btw - maybe we should look at the IC, too).

Let me give you an example:
She:
Sun: Sagittarius
Moon: Aquarius
AC: Sagittarius
IC: Aries
ASC-ruler: Pisces
ICruler: Sagittarius

He:
Sun: Capricorn (00°)
Moon: Aries
ASC: Aries
IC: Cancer
ASCruler: Libra
ICruler: Aries

synastric aspects between Sun, Moon, ASC, IC:
His Sun conjunct her Sun
His Moon trine her Sun
His ASC trine her Sun
his IC trine her ASC-ruler
his ASCruler opposite her IC (4°)
his ICruler trine her Sun

I guess, these would be the "Basics", wouldn`t they?

Looking further I now would look to the Sun, Moon, ASC, IC-connections to the other planets? Like:

His Venus sextile her AC-ruler
his Mars opposite her IC (4°)
His Jupiter trine her IC
His Jupiter trine her IC-ruler
His Jupiter trine her AC (4)
HIs Saturn square her Sun

Her Venus very widely conjunct his Sun (almost 6°)
- but his Sun/Venus-mp conjuncts her Venus and her Sun/Venus-mp conjuncts his Sun AND additionally his Sun is parallel her Venus and his Venus is parallel her Sun
- does that qualify as a Sun-Venus-aspect?

Her Venus squares his IC-ruler
Her Jupiter trines his IC
Her Saturn conjuncts his IC

And the generational ones:
His Uranus squares her Sun
HIs Pluto widely squares her Sun (with a bit over 5°)
Her Uranus sextiles his Sun
Her Uranus opposite his Moon
Her Uranus conjuncts his Neptune
Her Neptune sextiles his ASC-ruler
Her Pluto squares his IC
Her Pluto conjuncts his ASC-ruler

So, these would be the connections, that say something about how these personalities "mesh"?

BTW maybe we should also risk a glance at the natals?
I just noticed that SHE has Sun in 1st house, and HE has Moon in 1st house. So she would have some Sun in her personality, while he would emanate some lunar traits - wouldn`t that be noteable, too?
Also, his Sun squares Uranus, while her Moon is in Aquarius (and her Sun sextiles Uranus) - I think there might be some Uranian vibe in both of them, that could create some sort of "understanding".
Probably it would make the synastric dw of Sun-Uranus and the MOon-Uranus-opposition very apparent in their interchange?

posted December 23, 2007 08:10 AM              

Me and JOhn are a perfect example of what youve said cause we have our Suns in semisextile (Virgo/Libra).

And right now in our progressed sinastry my P sun is conj his Natal Sun;my Moon trines his P AC; his P Venus is conj my P Pluto;his P Sun is conj my P AC ..and these are just some goin on right now

Also,we dont have major aspects envolving Sun/Moon in sinastry.
We just have a very diffifult one - skuared Moons.

Personnaly i think that the fact that our ACīs are very much interlinked with each otherīs personal planets have much more to do with our strengh as a couple than the Sun/mOON or Moon/Moon aspect ( since i think that the skuared Moons only can make things difficult rather on approaching us)

Althougt not exact ones,since the AC moves very fast and as GLB said,up to 5šorb we do have the Sun/AC conjunction; Mercury/AC conjunction; Sun/Venus conjunction in composite;Moon/AC trine and sextile or also the Psyche/AC conjunction.

Regarding the Paralells they are big major important factors that gives us clues that arent aparent in regular sinastry:

- in ours appears a IC paralell AC (adds very confortable feelings torwards each other,deep ones)
- Pluto paralell Venus
- IC paralell Mars(Nep/Vertex(0š) and so on..

DD,
tHAT analises you did about the generational aspects have indeed much sense.Geberally we would expect that a sun/uranus skuare would "doom" the relationship isnt it?But as you clevered thought,looking at natals,you found a possible vibe of understanding between those uranian energies

Yup - i liked that a lot cause as you know me and Jonhy has the uranus/sun skuare also.
But like youve said also,JOhn has an Aqua Moon in the 7th(conj his Union),while his Uranus lies in his 5th,conj Mars/Eros and trine his AC

His Aqua Moon falls right onto my 5thCusp.

In my natal my 5th is ruled bY Uranus,and i have myself quite a Uranian energy goin on too: Uranus skuare Sun/Venus and conj Jup.

Our Uranus are naturally conjunct so i think we might also have some sort of a Uranian comprehension torwards each other

posted December 23, 2007 10:03 AM            

The other aspects include:
m sun trine f moon
m venus conjunct f venus
f venus sextile m mars
f venus trine m pluto
m venus conjunct f pluto
f mars inconjunct m pluto

f moon trine m mars
m moon square f mars

suns conjunt
sun square neptune dw

moon trine uranus dw

venus square saturn dw
f mars opposite m saturn
sun and saturns trine dw

m pluto conjunct f ascendant
f pluto square m ascendant

most of her planets fall in his 8th
(sun, merc, uranus)