posted December 30, 2007 04:03 AM              

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/17dec_heliumstream.htm

anybody have a clue what is up with this??

posted December 30, 2007 05:00 PM              

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The Greeks equated Ophiuchus, the Serpent Wrestler, with Asclepius, their God of Medicine, who used snakes in healing rituals. The staff of Asclepius, with two snakes entangling it, is to this day used as a symbol of medicine. But Ascelpius was not the originator God of Healing. In Western myth, the first such diety is Isis, the Egyptian Goddess of Healing. It would seem that at some point the Greeks, with their patriarchal designs, subsumed the myth of Isis -- filtered through Ophiuchus -- and produced the god Asclepius. But the cult of Isis must have run deeply, and her place of veneration was not dispelled by changing her name and gender. Thus, in a final fit of patriarchal wisdom, the Greeks expunged her from her rightful place in the zodiac, thereby reducing what had become their own God of Healing to a mere footnote to the tales from Mount Olympus.

Source: http://www.graveworm.com/occult/precess/ophiuchus.html

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To the dismay of modern horoscope scribes, in 1930 the International Astronomical Union (IAU) voted to recognize the constellation of Ophiuchus as one of the 13 signs found along the path of the ecliptic, thereby resurrecting him after a 1,700 year hiatus. So, the Western zodiac system is off by about one month. The modern system is based on the 12 Babylonian signs, each one equally spaced 30 degrees apart. This system does not account for the precession of the equinox, which has caused the stars to shift by two constellations from the original positions claimed by Babylonian astrologers in the 5th century B.C.

Source: http://www.gulfnexus.org/index_files/Ophiuchus.htm

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posted December 30, 2007 05:34 PM            

"I have heard about a 13th sign of the zodiac, called Serpentarius. I think it falls on a leap year, and they say it represents the snake. Is this true?"

No, not quite. On the 21st January 1995, astronomers announced the 'discovery' of a new constellation named Ophiuchus or Serpentarius, the serpent bearer. The Royal Astronomical Society promptly issued statements claiming that this was the final proof that astrology was rubbish, since astrologers were, they said, not taking account of this 'new sign'. Unfortunately, as is so often the case, the astronomical greats and goods have failed to understand the very basis of astrology.

Astrologers have known about Ophiuchus for centuries, just as we know about other constellations like Pegasus and Hercules. A constellation is not the same as a 'sign'. The two are quite separate things. Astrologers use the zodiac signs as a kind of shorthand to describe the degrees of the ecliptic, that's all. This is why the other favourite astronomical 'debunk' theory, the precession of the equinoxes, also has no effect on astrology.

The sun travels through the *constellation* of Ophiuchus between approximately November 30th and December 17th each year, thus it falls between the *astronomical constellations* of Scorpio and Sagittarius. It has no effect on modern astrology whatsoever, and most certainly is not a 13th sign of the zodiac.

posted December 30, 2007 07:04 PM              

I don't understand their logic. A sign is a constellation that intersects the ecliptic. Ophiuchus is a constellation that intersects the ecliptic. The sun is "in" Ophiucus just like the other signs for a certain part of the year.

posted January 03, 2008 03:13 AM            

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The Real Solar Zodiac Sun Signs:

Sun Sign Meaning Dates
01: Pisces the Fishes 12 Mar to 18 Apr
02: Aries the Ram 19 Apr to 13 May
03: Taurus the Bull 14 May to 19 Jun
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
05: Cancer the Crab 21 Jul to 9 Aug
06: Leo the Lion 10 Aug to 15 Sep
07: Virgo the Maiden 16 Sep to 30 Oct
08: Libra the Scales 31 Oct to 22 Nov
09: Scorpius the Scorpion 23 Nov to 29 Nov
10: Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer 30 Nov to 17 Dec
11 Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan
12: Capricornus the Sea Goat 19 Jan to 15 Feb
13: Aquarius the Water Carrier 16 Feb to 11 Mar
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Is this the way it would work in the Sidereal Zodiac (not Tropical)? Because the people I know whose signs would change using this system don't fit into the above system at all. No way do the Virgos I know fit Leo descriptions, Aries fit Pisces, etc.

posted January 03, 2008 01:29 PM            

I want to eventually use the constellation zodiac and not the tropical zodiac.

I don't like using tropical zodiac for people born in southern hemisphere because tropical zodiac is based on the seasons of the northern hemisphere.

posted January 04, 2008 02:32 AM            

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44 days of Virgo and 6 days of Scorpio??
Just doesn't seem "correct"..... (criticizes the Virgo)

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posted January 04, 2008 01:47 PM            

It would not fit Sidereal Zodiac.

Like the tropical zodiac,sidereal zodiac has 12 zodiac signs that all have a 30 degree span. In the constellation zodiac, there are 13 on the ecliptic.....they aren't an equal 30 degree span with Scorpio being much smaller and Virgo being much larger in span than in the tropical and sidereal zodiacs.

posted January 05, 2008 01:59 PM            

Your humor slays me!!

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So Virgo of you to take an interest in pronunciation, and even the subtle and graceful way you corrected my misspelling of Octopus has Virgo written all over it.

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Thank Goodness Zeus did his duty!! Ewwww, the thought of all that messy disembowelment (Seppuku -- only gaijin refer to it as "hari-kari") makes the Maidenly (or Scaley) side of me shudder

posted January 05, 2008 02:33 PM            

Now Bear the Leo.. is a Cancer, my Cancer mother is a Gemini, My Saggie bro stays the same and my Cappy dad becomes a Saggie..

Oh to be a slithering little opus.. orchid.. opine..whatever..

posted January 07, 2008 06:23 AM            

Seppuku -- only gaijin refer to it as "hari-kari")
Yes, my Mars and Saturn are the real deal. But since they're in Virgo, no need to worry, the process would've been unusually tidy.

posted January 07, 2008 06:53 AM            

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Seppuku -- only gaijin refer to it as "hari-kari."

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posted January 07, 2008 09:08 AM            

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Since it hasn't been incorporated into the zodiac yet, I guess it falls upon us to describe the nature of the Serpentarius. Just brainstorming here, but I'm thinking noble, kind, and really, really, sexy.

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