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Topic: what type of birth?
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blue moon Knowflake Posts: 1344 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 30, 2007 06:18 PM
?What type of birth experience did you have? ?Do you feel there is something up with your personality as a result? Some astrology articles/blogs I have read come down heavily on c-sections and inductions suggesting they mess with the soul's arrival on the planet. But I am sceptical. Here's a good one: Friend of mine was a c-section, 2 weeks early. Never got along with his family, he's the black sheep. Twist in the tale ~> no he wasn't, his mother told me some years after I met him. The birth was fine, a natural labour. It was an infection after that nearly killed me. But he was a difficult child to raise. Previously I had got excited about this fantastic example, with Pluto menancingly on the Ascendant, etc. Time of birth recorded in his nation (unlike here), and she confirmed this. IP: Logged |
amowls Newflake Posts: 4 From: Falls Church, VA, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 31, 2007 06:38 AM
I was a c-section baby. My mom went into labor, the doctor couldn't find my heart beat so they thought I was dying so they cut me out. Turns out I was fine but my mother almost died.Not sure how that plays into my personality/birth chart, though. IP: Logged |
Kal_El Newflake Posts: 22 From: Rainy City Registered: Nov 2009
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posted January 17, 2008 05:10 PM
hm would kids who tried to come out breach have any effect? My mother told me when i asked about my birth, that I was technically breach. I tried to come out but first though. lolIP: Logged |
Kal_El Newflake Posts: 22 From: Rainy City Registered: Nov 2009
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posted January 17, 2008 05:11 PM
*butt* psh. I can't type today. IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 1344 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2008 05:57 PM
It probably made the midwife sweat (and your mother) but I don't think it has any effect on your personality. My father told me I was born in 20 minutes and that "it is the fastest thing you have ever done".
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Kal_El Newflake Posts: 22 From: Rainy City Registered: Nov 2009
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posted January 17, 2008 06:27 PM
wow 20 minutes. amazing. I was rather proud of the fact that I wanted the world to kiss my ass when i was trying to come in the world. but the doctor and nurses decided otherwise and turned me while i was still inside... what is it.. in utero? i think... *shrugs*IP: Logged |
Diandra23 unregistered
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posted January 17, 2008 07:05 PM
What are C section babies? I dont know that term in my country :PThat is interesting.since ive came familiar with astrology and reincarnations and all ive asked myself several times if my birht could affected me in some way ( in terms of destiny/fate/karma...) I am a twin girl who was born at 6 months and a half term and only weigth 1 pound - i had several problems to come out and then i had 2 infections, 1 in the lungs and my heart stopped. Received several transfusions ( only by an english cause my blood is a rare one type) I found quite interesting that for a tiny being like i was,could have made it 24 years ago Do you think that maybe i was destined to die and then returned for some important reason? I ask this cause it was told to me,after 2 palm readings that i wasnt meant to be here and there was a breack in my 2 palms when i was born my personality is very complex. I dont know if i would be a diferent person if i had born at the full cycle of a termed pregnancy. Some years ago i red a book saying that when we die,and if we come back its cause we have unfinsihes business here - yup - it must be! If i was a new born curelly i couldnt have done much this lifetime IP: Logged |
teaologist unregistered
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posted January 17, 2008 10:49 PM
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wild sheep unregistered
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posted January 17, 2008 11:02 PM
Ooooh , teologist, I've been meaning to read Judy Hall's book on the Hades Moon concept for a while. Thanks for that excerpt—sounds great!As for me, I was the product of a normal labor and a quick delivery (I was only 4 lbs at birth, despite being full term at the end of a healthy pregnancy). My younger sister's birth was also quick after a normal labor. We are both earth suns with earth moons. Didn't stop us from having relatively unstable personalities (don't ask). I've totally forgotten which house in the natal chart to look at if you want to know about the conditions of the chart owner's birth. I have read, however, that Mars or Pluto on the ascendant is sometimes an indication of a C-section birth for the chart owner. ------------------ "You stay young as long as you can learn, acquire new habits and suffer contradiction." (Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach) IP: Logged |
Virgo/Leo Cusp Newflake Posts: 17 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2008 11:19 PM
I was also born a breach birth and well My ASC is in Sag.......I also have Moon trine Pluto..An 8th house stellium including Sun in Virgo and Moon in AquaMy mother was in labor for a long time...and well it wasn't looking good.......so the doctor told my father .....if we had to save one of them which would of them would it be....he was crying and said please save them both.....ok said the doctor......my mother doesn't remember me being born cause she blacked out and lost lots of blood......and well I came into this world a breach, dramatic birth......it almost killed me and my mother.... IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 1344 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 18, 2008 05:10 AM
Sorry, I have a Moon Conjunct Pluto - I was an easy arrival. Actually I have had children myself, the first time the midwife said I shouldn't have a bigger baby naturally as I am too small. Er, no, my second son was even bigger and was born in 15 minutes! They never gave me as much as an asprin! Push, says his father, I'll push you over a high cliff, I thought. But it was O.K, it came sharp but it was about an easy a birth as you can get. IP: Logged |
Diandra23 unregistered
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posted January 18, 2008 05:47 AM
Tealogist,oh i see - me and my twin were born my natural labour then Well regarding pluto: i have it conh Saturn in the 1st house ( pluto in libra and saturn in scorpio); Dont have a Moon/Pluto aspect though.. It sextiles my venus( in the 11th) and my neptune ( in the 3rd in sag). Trines PF and oposes Vertex. MAYBE the strong plutonian comes from it being in my 1st house? IP: Logged |
Fluke Newflake Posts: 0 From: Norway Registered: Oct 2009
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posted January 18, 2008 11:49 AM
Moon conjunct Pluto here too, normal labour, apart from the fact that I had my umbilical cord wrapped around my neck when I got out :P It wasn't a problem though.When I gave birth to my daughter it was a somewhat difficult labour. It took 22 hours until she was out, and she came face up, stargazer. They didn't know she was face up until she was in their hands, looking at them. I had all the classic labour signs of a stargazer baby, and had they been more awake they could have either prevented it by trying to encourage her to turn, or at least helped me with pain relief and labor techniques known to be especially helpful with stargazers... Oh well.. What's done is done My daughter has no Moon/Pluto connection, and is heavily water/earth influenced. IP: Logged |
wild sheep unregistered
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posted January 18, 2008 11:53 AM
Pardon my non-parent ignorance, here: "stargazer"?IP: Logged |
Fluke Newflake Posts: 0 From: Norway Registered: Oct 2009
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posted January 18, 2008 06:28 PM
stargazer: born face up, instead of the most common face down. When born face down the crown of the head comes out first, and that is the most beneficial position, both because that is the "pointiest" part of the baby's scull, with a gradual diameter increase until the whole head is out, and because that is easier on the baby's neck, they can stretch their necks and thus help push the head out. With the face up position they come out forehead first, which has the biggest diameter of all the parts of the head, and their chins are forced down towards their chest, making it difficult for them to extend their neck, making for a difficult delivery altogether. We also call them curious babies, in addition to the term "stargazers" ------------------ Cancer Rising Gemini Sun Libra Moon Cancer Venus Gemini Mars IP: Logged |
teaologist unregistered
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posted January 24, 2008 01:06 PM
Oopsies, got me info jumbled.Diandra: Here is stuff on Saturn conj ASC... maybe yours is not conj your ASC, but I figure it may apply anyway? from Sue Tompkins' 'Aspects in Astrology': quote: Saturn rising is often associated with a difficult or delayed birth, as if the baby is reluctant to come out and enter into the world. Perhaps the infant is controlling the situation from the word 'go,' or on some level feels it needs to. In any event, this caution about and fear of greeting the world naked and exposed, seems to persist throughout much of the life.
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wild sheep unregistered
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posted January 24, 2008 01:20 PM
Heh. I have Saturn rising, and although I was on time and was an easy delivery, my mother insists that I have "always" had the ability to "control" others, and by others she means "her."------------------ "You stay young as long as you can learn, acquire new habits and suffer contradiction." (Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach) IP: Logged |
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posted January 25, 2008 05:58 AM
I was a stargazer baby. I was also 81b 10oz. Ouch. Poor mum. I have Moon trine Pluto.IP: Logged |
Fluke Newflake Posts: 0 From: Norway Registered: Oct 2009
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posted January 25, 2008 06:08 AM
My girl weighed in at 8lb 13oz... or 4010 grams/4 kg 10 grams. I have NEVER read or heard a birth story anywhere about such big stargazer babies being born without major damage to the mothers "nether regions", but all that was required in my case was 3 small stitches. I consider myself very, very, very lucky, heheh.. So in relation to births and such my Hades moon can't be playing out that much ------------------ Cancer Rising Gemini Sun Libra Moon Cancer Venus Gemini Mars IP: Logged |
belgz unregistered
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posted January 25, 2008 07:32 AM
my mum has moon conjunct jupiter. IT took her 52 hrs to give birth to me because i wasnt facing the right way and i was born with saturn and pluto in 1st. and moon trine pluto. They said i could have down syndrome evn before i was born and my mum was in bed for 4 months so she wouldnt miscarry me either. But im here now and im very healthy and physcially have a very strong mind and body but i did have meningitis when i was younger also. I heard mars in cancer speeds up delivery and can cause ppl to have premature babies... ------------------ ASC: Virgo Sun: Cancer Moon: Gemini Mars: Cancer Mercury: Cancer Venus: Leo IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6026 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 25, 2008 07:56 AM
my daughter was supposedly 10 days late so i was induced 12 hours after my waters broke. the monitors were dodgy so we also underwent a c-section and she was born with 12th house moon square saturn/pluto making a t-square to her venus. had they allowed the labour to progress normally her moon would not have been involved in that configuration - as the mothe of a moon sq pluto child i have always had a hard time relating to that devouring mother scenario. though frequently i have felt like the devoured one! but as i've said elsewhere, her moon perfectly describes the situation i was in and the 12th house part describes my pisces moon. so that is another interpretation of pluto and 12th house moons. i swear i never even thought about eating her(joke)! but the surgical connection with pluto certainly makes sense here. and i was very ****** off that we were rushed into this by crowded conditions in the hospital(sq moon). as for her own labour there was a long pushing period and she bled a lot but no drugs, no complications and a perfect, genius baby! who has a great chart though it includes a grand fixed cross - he is lucky with that since his first few years were on stressed out ground...a better natured, more stable child you never met! and i believe he has helped her heal her challenged moon (long story).IP: Logged |
teaologist unregistered
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posted January 25, 2008 10:27 AM
Hi katatonic,Was yer daughter born in '82/'83? Also, I'm very, very glad to hear about the healthy grandson and all the other healthy babies mentioned here. Troopers, I tell you! On an opposite note... my friend has Moon opp Pluto and Moon opp Mars/Jupiter, but her birth was apparently incredibly easy. Her Mars/Jupiter conjunction sits close to the ASC. Zest for life! IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6026 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 25, 2008 11:11 AM
tealogist, yes she is one of those 83 babies - her school class as a whole was very challenging for teachers i'm sure sat/pluto had a lot to do with that. she also has seven planets in fire! so the t-square is particularly frustrating for her. however she appears to have integrated a lot of the lessons - talk about the thunderbolt path! - and doing very well now. the baba was born during a meteor shower and to me he will always be superboy he has helped save her life literally!IP: Logged |
vmulberry unregistered
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posted January 25, 2008 11:41 AM
I find this topic very interesting. With my mother we were all induced because we were very very very overdue. Her body never went into labor at all. She had us two, then a stillbirth that was left too long before induction. After that when she got pregnant again she was given a c-section when it had gone a bit past her due date. For whatever reason we all just stayed in there! IP: Logged |
teaologist unregistered
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posted January 25, 2008 01:09 PM
Hi wild sheep---def pick up 'Hades Moon.' Very, very insightful.According to Sue Tompkins' 'Aspects in Astrology,' you look at the 12th house, ASC, and 1st house to find out about the conditions of the chart owner's birth (before, during, after). She provides an example: quote: The Ascendant (and by this I do mean the whole 'complex' from now on) will often very graphically describe the birth moment. This is not easy to prove since we cannot remember our birth and unless we resort to rebirth techniques, have to rely on the memory of those who might describe it to us. One example of this that I really like is of a woman who has Aquarius rising but Jupiter conjunct the Ascendant in Pisces. It was very cold (Aquarius) just before she was born. So much so that the pipes froze in the house and there was a flood (Pisces). The mother brought on the birth prematurely by overstraining herself in trying to mop up all the water. More curious still is the fact that this same person has the long-term goal of living on a boat and travelling round the world in it.
Not sure if this kind of literal interpretation method always works, but it makes a nice topic of research. IP: Logged |