posted December 31, 2007 04:59 AM            

The inside person has Sag on the cusp of the third; its ruler, Jupiter, in the 3rd house, square Mars in Virgo. (If I am reading your chart right.)

According to "Mapping Your Family Relationships" this may indicate that she has feelings of resentment towards her siblings and brings up old issues from the past that she won't let go.

The outside person has Virgo on the cusp of the 3rd house. This suggests siblings who are attentive to detail. That could be practical, and helpful, but here its ruler, Mercury, is square the inside person's 3rd house ruler, Jupiter so is rather less positive. Tact is a problem in this relationship and some genuine, helpful communication would go a long way.

posted December 31, 2007 09:52 AM              

With the help of my book, I'd believe if you said she was exceedingly charming socially, but forceful & ruthless at home. A master manipulator. Makes you do her favors, spends your money. And don't dare ask her to reciprocate...it was an honor, you doing her favors.

I've lived with two Libra moons; Aqua-Libra, and Scorpio-Libra. I watched as they unconscionably took advantage of a Virgo & Pisces, respectively. As those two grew backbones and said, "no more," they were ruthlessly discarded after much emotional, and financial investment. The Pisces was "classically" stung. The Virgo was kicked out of the house.

posted December 31, 2007 10:06 AM              

My Aqua ex-h (of 7 years, only child) is now back living with her.

She is a ruthless gossip, manipulator and backbiter, anything one told her was like Chinese Whispers (though my own mother, Sag with Taurus Moon, is JUST as bad - "motherhood", to me, is represented not by Eve, but by the serpent).

I've heard from people that I knew that know her now, that she is "sh-t-stirring" (presumably about me, though I couldn't give a fig, as I live several hundred miles away), and they ask me, "Is she a possessive woman?"

Personally I just feel sorry for my ex as she has such a hold over him and they are practically *married*. He'll never be able to entertain another relationship again, not whilst she's still around, anyway.

Love to you,

posted December 31, 2007 12:48 PM            

I don't even know where to start. I considered myself close to her til I was 14-15. I have that Leo curse of wanting to believe the best of family and deluded myself that it would ever be anything but hell. I've had little to do with her since I was 20. She's stalked me througout my life. She was 18 years old when I was born and has done everything in her power to ruin my life, tried to drive me to suicide in my late teens, early twenties. Believe me, I'm not being melodramatic. She is the way she is across the board, but I got the brunt of it since I'm the little sister.

I guess you could say the first clue was when I was 7 yr. old. I was molested by the uncle of a friend. When I told her she laughed like it was the funniest thing she'd ever heard. This was AFTER all the speeches telling me to speak up if anything like that ever happened to me. I know now that was an attempt to try to get me to make something up about my father.

She made my father's life hell. We were very close. I was 9 when he was murdered. She cozied up to one of the two suspects and saw to it that there was no inquest.

Do you see anything sadistic in her chart, like torture? She was so very cruel to my mother on the last day of her life. She's extremely passive aggressive and maneuvered to get herself into the caregiver position with her elderly in-laws and then was very cruel to them, especially her MIL. She was only in it for the $ when they died. She immediately had my mother's medication stopped and made her last day a living hell under the guise of care. God only knows what she would've done to my mother had I not been there.

She always had that incessant cackle, always laughing at people and making fun of you-all in gest, of course. I couldn't stand her and I never understood how anybody else did. It was CONSTANT to where even a child would know this person had major issues. It's what I remember about her more than anything. It was constant in every conversation, especially if she was caught in a lie or there was something she didn't want to talk about or answer.

I've never heard a compliment or kindness from her, and even if she did, there was ALWAYS a barb. When she's talking about something that irritates her, like the fact that I can't cut up a chicken, seriously, that's the kind of thing I would hear her talk about with my mother, her voice gets absolutely guttural, like an old Joan Crawford scene.
Everything is so fanatical and overbearing with her. She wants to ram everything down your throat and most of the time she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about, even petty mundane things like makeup. You're only supposed to wear earth tones and you don't dare dispute that sort of thing. She could be a lot more attractive than she is but she doesn't know how to put herself together, and besides, "BLACK mascara is for s-uts".

She considers herself the paragon of cleanliness, cooking, and homemaking but I wouldn't consider her a femm fatale. No way. She isn't that charming or popular with men. One of her favorite judgments of people is whether their house is clean. All of her enemies are "filthy". It seems to be her only claim to fame,except, of course, having more money than you do.

She did her best to destroy my self-esteem and make me doubt myself. She'd deliberately "help" me with my math so she could say I was stupid and couldn't do anything. The reality is I'm much more advanced than she is academically.

She works mainly through weak-minded family members, manipulating them against me and spreads vicious, absurd gossip about me. I didn't find out til years later how she was saying what a **** I was, and asking people if I was prostituting, when I was a virgin.

I honestly think to some extent she convinces herself of these things. She tried to force me to quit school when I was 15. She can't stand it that I'm going to college and kept taking my awards down of my mother's wall. She finally just stole it outright, blaming it on my brother. She manipulated my Aries brother to beat me up on an almost daily basis. He was 8 years older than I was and over 18 when most of this was happening. There was also sexual misconduct but I'm not going to get into that.

I lost two jobs in one day when I was 19 and I still think it was her doing. It's a small town, and when an older relative says something like that people believe it. She seems to have a lot of sexual hang-ups. Extremely puritanical and ignorant about things a woman whose been married for decades should know, but with a very vulgar sense of humor like that of a 12 year old boy. Every woman who suffered and died of cancer is because they were ****** , according to her and "that's what they get". She hates homosexuals so you can imagine how she feels about her son being gay. What karma.
At the same time she is very immoral in that she breaks up marriages and does really despicable things like helping her father-in-law to get a penile implant and have sex in front of his wife who had alzheimers. She went around laughing about her reaction, saying, "well, what's she gonna do about it"? She's always been very bullying that way. Her kids weren't any nicer to the old lady. Her husband is capricorn and just does whatever she says.

And I know this is gross, but when the hororary on astro.com did the story about Elvis' gun being stolen, he said that pluto ruled doo doo. Yes, that's what I said. She has, among other things, this really peculiar fascination with that subject and where it comes from, constantly working it into conversation, finding excuses to get involved in other people's bathroom activity, etc. Even her friends have commented on this.

You're right.There is never any peace with her. Never. Constantly stirring the shyt pot. She IS the most vicious gossip I've ever seen. Jealousy, greed, gossip, scheming. Her entire personality. She likes to work in collections and embarrass people over their money problems. I've never seen anyone that jealous or that greedy, always trying to get more $ and be a part of the social elite but she's never been able to really make those kind of friends. She's ruined my relationship with my family and really ruined the family in general.

I hate laying things so bare and I promise you I'm not making this stuff up. I've barely scratched the surface actually. I've stayed out of a lot of the personal things in order not to be too identifying. You would never believe any of this if you saw her. She looks and acts like Nancy Grace or Harriet Olsen from Little House. Even her kids are that way.

Sorry to be so rambling. I've become hestitant to even talk about my family because by the time I get to the third or fourth thing people think I'm making it up or imagining it.

posted December 31, 2007 05:39 PM            

With this law suit, are you bringing something against her, or is she bringing something against you?

posted December 31, 2007 10:25 PM              

My suggestion is to have all your sh*t together, and anticipate every angle the other side may throw at you. Then practice, practice, practice communicating - video tape yourself and watch. Then make self corrections. Have friends rattle you with questions to get the jitters out. These will keep you at your game.

posted January 01, 2008 03:34 PM            

Easy for me to say from thousands of miles away, I know.

posted January 02, 2008 06:26 AM              

My mother is almost as bad, so I do understand where you are coming from, to some degree. My challenge is trying to sever the cords with her and not feel unbearable emotional pain myself, as, after all, she is my own mother and I do wonder how she could have done some of the things she did, not just to me but various other people, and still live with herself. She tried to threaten me with legal action as well, which didn't work because her argument simply didn't hold water.

I'm not even sure it's a question of astrology here. I think it's a question of there being a race of *evil women* who are usually not particularly well educated and enjoy making life hell for everybody else because they have nothing better to occupy their time with. I don't know what else motivates them in this way and I'm not sure I'd care to know.

I'm sorry you've had to deal with this, and I wish you all the best and lots of luck.

Take care,

Xena