posted January 15, 2008 01:39 PM              

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When creating natal charts, which asteroids do you recommend including? Keep in mind, I'm just a beginner...

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posted January 15, 2008 02:48 PM              

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it depends on what you want to search for.
use what astro.com offers first: chiron,juno, ceres, vesta, pallas, then eros and psyche. later - many others
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Karma 3811, Poseidon 4341, Icarus 1566...

you can use groups of asteorids for health, love, talents etc
Also, many other centaurs...

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posted January 15, 2008 08:37 PM              

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Icarus scares me. It keeps conjuncting my midheaven or my partners in solar returns among other scarey angles and points. Can you tell me more about this asteroid?

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posted January 16, 2008 06:21 AM              

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Thanks, Astrobee. And although not an asteroid, I should always include Part of Fortune, no?

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posted January 16, 2008 08:14 AM              

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yes berryberry, unclude Part Fortune, as well as few other parts, Vertex, and especially midpoints. I am sorry I can;t write more about that now, because am extremelly busy and also I am new in that stuff too, juse learning,a bout a year or so, and everyday someting new and amazing. So, search the web and be patient with learning, you will learn everything you are ready to learn.

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posted January 16, 2008 08:20 AM              

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Hi LeoCat, don;t eb scared witg Icarus, yes, it may not be easy but we have to be brave if want to learn something in our life.
I have icarus on my Asc. I was very suprised when I found that out, but when I think about my life, yes, it is obvious that icarus had its big influence.
Some astrolgers think tha Icarus is very important for transforming Mercury into its higher octave Uranus.
here is from Zane's site about Icarus - a story
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We definitely have a myth to go with this minor planet. Icarus was the son of Daedalus. When these two were imprisoned, the father constructed wings and they both escaped. Icarus was intoxicated by the glorious feeling of flight and kept rising higher and higher, in spite of his father's repeated warnings. Finally Icarus flew too close to the Sun. The wax holding the feathers on his wings melted, he fell into the sea and drowned.
Surprisingly the observations about this minor planet fit quite well with the myth. Where Icarus falls in your chart the typical tendency is to have a low tolerance to restrictions. You want to escape any confining influences here, or any responsibility that gets too heavy.
(That is, until you learn the lesson on how to handle such things better.) Anyway, this hatred of restriction exits even if the restriction is necessary or deserved. Once the escape is made, the average person tends to react just like in the myth. He takes the line of least resistance, ignoring both his own better judgment and the advice of others, and this sometimes results in a major disaster.
Other Icarus lessons are: learning self-control once free of the restriction, keeping your ears open to advice, especially to your inner voice, and the dangers of letting a situation become totally out of control.
Icarus can produce positive results. When there is a time and a place for taking risks and disregarding advice, people with strong Icarus aspects are quite welcome. This is true, for example, during a war. Time and experiences will usually produce the ability to discern when to let Icarus loose, and when not to.
My father had a close Sun sextile Icarus. He was a career Marine and during World War II he had a reputation for walking into danger. He took chances but saved many lives, and appeared to have a charmed life. After retirement from the military he did not change his attitude even though he was no longer in a position where it had value (he got a civilian job as a bookkeeper). After a series of heart attacks, and repeatedly disregarding advice from friends and physicians, he finally succumbed to a fatal attack. But even at the end he continued to live each day with no regard for the consequences.
When President Reagan was inaugurated on January 20, 1981,Icarus was transiting over his natal Mercury. Thus this transit characterized his thinking during his whole term of office. He was initially given a lot of freedom to try out his ideas, and had supreme confidence in them. This led to his disregarding the advice of others, and coming perilously close to dangerous situations.
Interestingly, if you examine the transits of Icarus to a person's natal chart during an attempt on their life (even if the attempt failed), you will usually find a hard aspect to a natal position.
Don't overlook this body in synastry. For example, a woman had her Jupiter closely conjunct her husband's second-house Icarus. Their marriage has been typified by extreme financial ups-and-downs, and he has had numerous schemes for financial gain which fell through, severely disrupting the family's funds.

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posted January 16, 2008 09:44 AM            

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Yeah...I see Icarus having to do with risktaking and flying.

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posted January 16, 2008 09:45 AM              

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None of them. They do not mean Jack!

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posted January 16, 2008 02:25 PM            

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Try and find your name asteroid or that of someone you have the close bond with, you'll get suprising results!

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posted January 17, 2008 11:38 PM              

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PERI, I did this name thing and it's unbelievable!! I put my asteroid name in my last partner's chart and in our composite chart my name came up exactly conjunct my natal sun. It can't be for real, can it? Every point it hits on our charts in SR and progressed is just unbelieveable!

It comes up conjunct his north node, conjunct my natal sun, conjunct my mercury (ruler of my chart, and in some solar returns conjunct his descendant...etc...

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posted January 17, 2008 11:45 PM              

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Astrobee, not only does Icarus keep popping up but Algol kept popping up in scarey places too. I leave it out of my charts now it freaks me out.

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posted January 18, 2008 06:25 AM              

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LeoCat
that about name asteroids, I searched a little too. Name asteriod of a girl I feel is my destiny (regarding marriage) in my chart is 16deg21 Aqua and her Venus is 14Aqua51, I rally wonder if it has a meaning?

That about Algol, yes, I think it is possible, but regarding Icarus, he wants to do unpossible things, or before is really ready, doesn't look at the concequences, and I don't fell icarus as something that scares me.

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posted January 18, 2008 11:46 AM            

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PERI is really amazing I found the name of my partner and is in exact conjuction with my Venus and Sun

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posted January 18, 2008 01:05 PM            

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yes it is!

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posted January 18, 2008 06:10 PM            

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well i couldnt find my name but the asteroid maxbeckam is in conjunction with my partner's Sun

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posted January 19, 2008 02:34 AM              

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I read that if you don't find the exact name then you can pick the name closest to it and that works as well because they're all of the same energy or something like that.

ASTROBEE, my former partner's name was conjunct my venus as well in his heliocentric chart, don't know how much significance that has. Sadly, we are not dating anymore but I was crazier about him than anybody else I've ever been involved with. I thought he was my destiny too :-(

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posted January 20, 2008 02:02 PM            

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So go for him!!!

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posted January 22, 2008 11:57 PM            

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posted March 08, 2016 02:15 PM            

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I always include Ceres and Pallas.

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posted March 09, 2016 10:14 AM            

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Soooooo many!

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