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starrym
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posted January 17, 2008 06:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was hoping some of you could shed some light on a chart I was studying. this acquaintance of mine is a very inhibited individual. he has difficulty socializing, and thus stands quietly off to the side of the crowd frequently. when asked a question, he will either not respond, or take a very long time to respond. he very rarely says anything spontaneously.

his communication with the people around him is passive - in that he is a follower, and frequently laughs. but beyond that, he has a distaste for confrontation and will sneak out of many situations to avoid speaking to others. when confronted, he often expresses extreme indifference and detachment to anyone. he can't hold relationships because he doesnt offer anything from his end. he can be very creative (likes to paint), and a bit expressive at time - which reminds me of Leo traits, but even this is silent.

looking at his chart, I dont see anything which might indicate such an extreme personality - and especially such an inhibited one - does anyone see this being expressed?
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_14_name_hp.42062.29686.gif&res=63&va=&cid=8fzfileS2q1Fp-u1195813414

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yourfriendinspirit
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posted January 17, 2008 06:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uh, yah.. Lot's of indicators actually.
Let's start with Virgo sun (Not wishing to get involved with other peoples private lives)
Scorpio Ascendant (Privacy towards the way others see me)
Moon also Scorpio... (Hidden and mysterious emotions)
Neptune in Capricorn (Reserved fantasy life)
Chiron in Gemini (Wounded Healer, etc.) in the sign of communication...
Saturn in the 1st house (very reserved)

Venus is the ONLY planet on the right half of the chart (This is the Leo bit you took notice of)

Sun, Venus, and Mars in Virgo intercepted in the 10 house

Hope this helps..

ps hint if you need to get close to this person, work along side them.
This person will admire a hardworking co-worker and openup.
Ask for their help (genuinely need it) Praise them for their generosity, etc.

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Sendin' love your way,
"your friend in spirit"

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blue moon
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posted January 17, 2008 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Straight off the bat there are a couple of things I can identify with here:

Moon Conjunct Pluto - His is really tight, and in Scorpio in the 12th, trine Mars, trine Neptune. I got it in Virgo/Libra.

North Node trine Mars - mine is is in Aquarius conjunct Mars, Square Ascendant.

Mars in Virgo - the people I know who have this all have strong artistic tendencies (in the small and neat way rather than big idea way) even if they have had no education or don't work in this type of area. It comes out some how.

Personally I say: leave him be. He's happy keeping his feelings to himself. If he's annoyed, he's unlikely to want to rush out and cause an argument; it's probably more a choice than an inability to stand-up for himself. Odds on he has an artistic hobby that gets those feelings out some way or another.

North Node Trine Mars:

"This configuration gives the ability to act and to time actions so that they are in harmony with socially accepted modes of behavior. Thus the natives gain popularity as social leaders. The configuration favors politicians and others who lead public lives. The energy needed to dela with social trends and institutions is available."
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/north-node-trine-mars.php


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Glaucus
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posted January 17, 2008 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just looked at the aspects and some midpoints.

His Saturn conjunct the Ascendant with
5'09 orb and parallel the Ascendant with 31 minutes of arc,and that's a Saturn-Ascendant occultation,and that can indicate inhibition,shyness,seriousness including relationship,interacting with others with Saturn oppose/contraparallel Descendant. His Venus square Saturn with 51 minutes of arc can also indicate inhibition,shyness,seriousness involving relationships,love,socializing too. His Saturn squares Midheaven within 7 degrees too,and that could indicate some inhibition,shyness,seriousness too..it could involve his social status,career....also it could involve his domestic environment,past with Saturn square Imum Coeli.

Also...Cosmobiologists look at midpoints

He has Saturn conjunct Moon/Uranus midpoint with 22 minutes and Uranus/Pluto midpoint exact, and that could indicate inhibition can lead him to be detached,and his Venus squares all that.....so affects socialization,relationships.

His Saturn semisquare Asc/MC midpoint with 16 minutes of arc,and that can indicate an overall inhibited personality and that's all connected to the aforementioned midpoints

All that Saturn stuff can indicate possible social anxiety issues and even depression...inhibition is recognized to be linked to those issues too.

His Moon conjunct Pluto indicates intensity. Intensity is not something that is readily apparent to others,but it's something that is deep,hidden which is what Pluto is about. It can indicate possible trust issues stemming from past betrayal involving important females in his life...especially the mother. Also.....he has Moon conjunct Sun/Uranus midpoint with 32 minutes of arc,and that can indicate possible emotional detachment,unpredictability. So his Sun/Uranus midpoint is conjunct his Moon conjunct Pluto, and so the intensity and detachment is strongly connected.

I feel that his creative abilities are reflected his having Neptune stationary( strong Neptune energy)trining his Mars with 3'57 orb, trine Midheaven with 1'26 orb,trine his Venus,and square his Sun. Those aspects can inspiration,sensitivity,imagination.


I have very strong Saturn influence,I am very inhibited in my personality and I do have depression,anxiety disorders due to low self esteem,insecurity connected to my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia which affect my receptive-language communications as well as my coordination and makes me awkward. I do take time to respond as I need time to process auditory and sequential information. I am quite introverted too as well as feel easily overwhelmed by environment linked to sensory integration issues.

There are so many reasons a person can end up being inhibited. You can talk to him, ask about his life,and maybe he will tell you why he's like that if he trusts you.

some people get mistakened for being stuckup because they are aloof with others,but it can actually be that they are very shy. My mother told me that it was like for her. She told me that she was afraid to talk to others because she was afraid that she would say something stupid. I am like that too.

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starrym
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posted January 17, 2008 04:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, thank you all for your responses.

yourfriendinspirit, I didn't even think of look at hemispheres, but the fact that I occasionally see the Leo in him and nothing else makes plenty of sense.

Glaucus, I think you're right when you say "All that Saturn stuff can indicate possible social anxiety issues and even depression...inhibition is recognized to be linked to those issues too." It's very hard to believe that he's not depressed. More or less every indicator of depression is there - loneliness, frustration, unhappiness - but its all directed internally and he never seeks help from anybody else.

having lived with him for a while, I began to think that these shy, quiet qualities were not actually what he wanted, and not what he liked in himself. of course, i'm not absolutely sure. he is extremely closed and if he needs help, its clear he's going to have to ask someone in his life.

"Moon conjunct Sun/Uranus midpoint with 32 minutes of arc,and that can indicate possible emotional detachment,unpredictability."

certainly true, emotional detachment to an extreme. again, i feel like he's struggling with it to some extent.

Glaucus, thank you for sharing your own perspective on this. 'Dyspraxia'.. that sounds exactly like what's going on here. introverted and overwhelmed by ones environment - again, you can probably relate to him well.

unfortunately, i have tried to calmly talk to him while I lived with him, to see if he wanted someone to talk to. he simply gets afraid and shuts me down in some way or another. im guessing these types of influences are things people would like to deal with on their own. hopefully, that works for him. i didn't see the difficulty in his chart at first glance, thanks for shedding some light on it.

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Glaucus
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posted January 17, 2008 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't help feel sorry for the guy for the problems he seems to be having.
As far as Dyspraxia goes,I am not sure if he has it. Dyspraxia is mainly difficulty with planning motor movements. It's been known as Clumsy Child Syndrome,Minimal Brain Dysfunction as well as Developmental Coordination Disorder.Dyspraxia is a developmental disorder, which manifests as a marked impairment in the development of motor co-ordination. The comorbidity with autistic spectrum disorders, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder and dyslexia is as high as 40 -45 percent

Adults with dyspraxia often have the following characteristics:

Atentional problems and poor concentration (often lose track of conversations and run off at a tangent, often display symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder)

Language (quick and loud speech, problems with intonation and misinterpretation of language)

Obsessional characteristics

Coordination difficulties (difficulty differentiating between right and left and this hinders safe driving)

Poor handwriting

Very low self esteem

Very emotional

Unrealistic expectations

Constant lateness for appointments

Inability to remember instructions

Inability to complete tasks quickly

Decisions constantly being altered

Depression

Difficulty maintaining peer relationships

Sleeping disorders

High comorbidity with ADHD and psychiatric illness
http://www.learningdiscoveries.org/Dyspraxia.htm

http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/
http://www.ncld.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=466
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/dyspraxia/dyspraxia.htm
http://www.ldanatl.org/aboutld/parents/ld_basics/dyspraxia.asp


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starrym
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posted January 17, 2008 06:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Glaucus,

I am often worried about him too! ah, well.

I must have misread what you said about 'Dyspraxia'- "affect my receptive-language communications as well as my coordination and makes me awkward"

i think the later clarification of Dyspraxia is a tad bit much for his actual symptoms. he is actually a very smart guy - no poor concentration, no inability to remember instructions. he is intelligent mentally, but it is more of a personal thing. we just know that he is doing well in his career (which he has set up so that he works from home).

i too quickly assumed he had it, but i reality i don't think its anything like that. i just think there is mild struggle with communicating - well, he doesn't say much basically. and perhaps some awkwardness that he may be imagining and feel shy about.

either way, he is very involved in art - very,very involved and i think this is a great outlet for him. and he also likes to laugh a lot, so he's not always down, but never really tells us what hes thinking.

on the bright side, he lives with a good group of friends who are there for him if he needs it.

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Glaucus
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posted January 17, 2008 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many neurodivergents(Dyspraxics,Dyslexics,others with learning disorders,and AD/HDers as well as people with autistic spectrum disorders) are highly intelligent actually. Nuerodivergents have average and above intelligence. Unfortunately a lot of people think that they we have low intelligence because of our difficulties as well as get psychiatric misdiagnoses.I am Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,AD/HDer with above average intelligence who was mistaken for having a low intelligence and had psychiatric misdiagnoses. Those are reasons why I am an advocate/activist.

If he doesn't have coordination difficulties,then he's not Dyspraxic. Coordination difficulties are the hallmark of Dyspraxia. Also not all dyspraxics have inability to remember instructions nor have problems with concentration. If a person has a certain condition,he/she doesn't necessarily have to have every symptom of the condition. Also like other neurodivergent conditions,Dyspraxia can range from mild to severe without affecting intelligence. Some of the symptoms of other neurodivergent conditions overlap. Some of the weaknesses of other neurodivergent overlap with Dyspraxia to make certain symptoms worse while some of the strengths of neurodivergent conditions can lessen Dyspraxic difficulties and vice versa. For instance,my Dyslexia involves strong visual spatial abilities,and so I don't have the visual spatial impairments that many Dyspraxics have. The disorganization,short term memory problems of my Dyslexia,AD/HD overlap with those issues of my Dyspraxia. The speech,auditory processing,sequencing,eyetracking,and directional difficulties of my Dyslexia overlap with those difficulties of my Dyspraxia. Creativity,problem solving,thinking outside the box thinking,imagination of my Dyslexia,AD/HD add to those strengths of my Dyspraxia. Many neurodivergents are highly sensitive,emotional to the point of having sensory integration issues. It's no wonder that Omega 3 fatty acid deficiencies are linked to Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,AD/HD. Hypersensitivity,being too emotional are recognized symptoms of Omega 3 fatty acid deficiencies. I take cod liver oil for my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,AD/HD issues,and it makes me less sensitive,emotional as well as help me process information better.


Dyspraxia is very complexed because of overlapping symptoms of other neurodivergent conditions and co-existing neurodivergent conditions. What makes it more complexed is the symptoms of neurodivergent conditions overlap with psychiatric disorders.

Mental health professionals need to have their patients do both psychological and neurological testing to differentiate neurodivergent conditions from psychiatric disorders to prevent misdiagnosed and unnecessary medicating.

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Ami Anne
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posted June 11, 2011 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting general info

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