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pippicrone
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posted January 17, 2008 03:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello

this is my first post and i have been reading here for awhile and i love this site very much.
Poised on my second saturn return , my husband of ten years while telling me i am the great love of his life and the most important person in his life told me on Dec 1st that he wants to end our marraige..here are our natal charts and our composite..can anyone shed light on what is going on with him? Is he getting battered by pluto transits
I am new to this community but from reading over the past week i am very impressed with the compassion and knwlege here.
Thanks you for your help and thank you all for this site

I could use help on this as i go into my 2 saturn return...

i have included both our charts and also composite
blessings on you compassionate people
He called me on his birthday yesterday 1/16 sounding quite lost but i refrained from asking him questions about where he was at with our seperation I was kind and supportive and i suppressed my own stuff but it left me very upset
xxoo

Pippicrone (female)
birthdate 15 July 1950 local time 4:37 am
in New Britain, CT (US) U.T. 08:37
72w47, 41n40 sid. time 23:16:23

PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree
Sun Cancer 22°17'20 in house 1
Moon Cancer 24°00'51 in house 1
Mercury Cancer 27°11'27 in house 1
Venus Gemini 21°11'06 in house 12
Mars Libra 15°08'38 in house 4
Jupiter Pisces 6°54'49 in house 9
Saturn Virgo 15°33'46 in house 3
Uranus Cancer 6°15'37 in house 12
Neptune Libra 14°40'22 in house 4
Pluto Leo 17°01'31 in house 2
True Node Aries 0°45'21 in house 10
Chiron Sagittarius 16°28'36 in house 6

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Cancer 10°25'17
2nd House Cancer 29°41'12
3rd House Leo 21°07'55
Imum Coeli Virgo 18°08'35
5th House Libra 23°36'36
6th House Sagittarius 4°24'46
Descendant Capricorn 10°25'17
8th House Capricorn 29°41'12
9th House Aquarius 21°07'55
Medium Coeli Pisces 18°08'35
11th House Aries 23°36'36
12th House Gemini 4°24'46

husband (male)
birthdate 16 Jan 1961 local time 9:15 am
in Washington, DC (US) U.T. 14:15
77w02, 38n54 sid. time 16:49:58

PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree
Sun Capricorn 26°13'58 in house 11
Moon Capricorn 21°55'01 in house 11
Mercury Aquarius 3°02'53 in house 12
Venus Pisces 12°42'43 in house 1
Mars Cancer 2°45'52 in house 4
Jupiter Capricorn 17°43'05 in house 11
Saturn Capricorn 21°25'34 in house 11
Uranus Leo 24°52'48 in house 6
Neptune Scorpio 11°07'37 in house 8
Pluto Virgo 7°47'03 in house 7
True Node Virgo 6°49'45 in house 7
Chiron Aquarius 29°43'48 in house 12

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Pisces 1°29'43
2nd House Aries 17°36'28
3rd House Taurus 19°55'09
Imum Coeli Gemini 13°51'32
5th House Cancer 5°13'59
6th House Cancer 28°42'38
Descendant Virgo 1°29'43
8th House Libra 17°36'28
9th House Scorpio 19°55'09
Medium Coeli Sagittarius 13°51'32
11th House Capricorn 5°13'59
12th House Capricorn 28°42'38

Joint Composite Horoscope
PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree
Sun Aries 24°15'39 in house 12
Moon Libra 22°57'56 in house 6
Mercury Taurus 0°07'10 in house 12
Venus Taurus 1°56'54 in house 12
Mars Leo 23°57'15 in house 4
Jupiter Aquarius 12°18'57 in house 10
Saturn Scorpio 18°29'40 in house 7
Uranus Leo 0°34'13 in house 3
Neptune Libra 27°54'00 in house 6
Pluto Leo 27°24'17 in house 4
True Node Gemini 18°47'33 in house 2
Chiron Capricorn 23°06'12 in house 9

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Taurus 5°57'30
2nd House Gemini 8°38'50
3rd House Cancer 5°31'32
Imum Coeli Leo 1°00'03
5th House Leo 29°25'17
6th House Libra 1°33'42
Descendant Scorpio 5°57'30
8th House Sagittarius 8°38'50
9th House Capricorn 5°31'32
Medium Coeli Aquarius 1°00'03
11th House Aquarius 29°25'17
12th House Aries 1°33'42


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blue moon
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posted January 17, 2008 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Please tell me if I got that wrong. I do have trouble with U.S time zones not being used to using them day to day.

I'll have a think on your charts if it's O.K, hopefully someone more experienced will have a look in the meantime and come up with something interesting.


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pippicrone
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posted January 17, 2008 05:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you Blue Moon
yes the charts are correct
thanks you.

pippicrone

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posted January 18, 2008 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has a group of planets in Capricorn, but Pluto isn't due to hit them for a few years yet.

However, he has Pluto in the House of Marriage/7th House and right now that is getting hit by Saturn. Pluto is importantly placed here as it is part of a Kite configuration.

There is a great page discussing how Pluto in the 7th needs profound relationships that offer spiritual growth:
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Pluto-in-the-seventh-house-7th-house.htm

Saturn went over his degree of Pluto in December last year, it is now reversing back over it, and will only start to move away around August. This suggests that he is examining his marriage and the significance of it in his life.

If you check out Cafe Astrology's page on Saturn transiting the houses, you might find what is says about the 7th house helpful:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/saturntransitinghouses.html

There's something I can't leave out here, and that is the Moon's Nodes. They North Node is conjoined to Pluto in the 7th house and as you can imagine, as also been hit by Saturn. If you look on CafeAstrology under Saturn transits there is some discussion of this aspect.

Then, on the other side of the chart, the transiting North Nodes hit the Ascendant in December - so there is a real pattern here. They have also hit Chiron the Healer.

Celeste Teal has made some remarks about the North Node travelling over the Ascendant at:
http://www.moonvalleyastrologer.com/moon_nodes.htm

Saturn is the ruler of your 7th house, and what do you know, it falls in the 7th house of your husband's chart, and is conjunct his Pluto - just! I think it is fair to say that you are deeply significant in his life.

There is another link. Saturn on your chart is Square Venus, again not a close aspect at 6 degrees, but I'm sure you can feel it. One of my favourite Astrology books is by James Braha (How to be a Great Astrologer) and he mentions the fear of rejection as one of the likely manifestations of this interaction. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communcation, so I think you can see where I am headed with that.

Your Saturn is opposite your husband's Venus, in Sensitive Pisces. Another part of the pattern - it is part of the Kite mentioned above, and is opposite his Pluto. He does seem idealistic about love relationships. You add some reality to this, maybe too much for him and I wonder if you are worried about threatening his ideals?

On your chart the planet of the communciation Mercury is in the 1st house and is Conjunct both the Moon and the Sun in the sign of Cancer. You are probably generally quite good at expressing your feelings, but that is quite a lot of Cancer. I'm going to guess here that you cry a lot - I could be wrong!

If you are interested in looking up these aspects this site is a good one:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/

Now I went and looked back at your husband's chart and what do I see but the Moon conjunct Saturn and the Sun in Capricorn, Opposite the Stellium mentioned above. He is quite different, very serious, and reserved.

There is a balance of expressive styles at work here, and I suspect communication on this topic has been difficult.He might find it hard to deal with emotional reactions, added to the likely problem that he finds it hard to open up and talk about how he feels.

*will continue later making sure I don't lose this*

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blue moon
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posted January 18, 2008 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury rules his 7th house, being in the sign of Virgo. On his progressed chart (see above) it has moved forward from its natal position and is now opposite its ruler (being in Aquarius) Uranus.

This is quite significant, and suggests a restlessness and dissatisfaction. It has been around for at least a year, and I should think will be making itself felt for several years yet.

Then as it starts to fade around 2015/16 - guess what? Pluto in Capricorn will start to hit his stellium of Jupiter, Saturn, Moon and Saturn. This Stellium all lies in your 7th house. Around 2010 Pluto will hit your descendant.

Also on his progressed chart the Sun is separating from a Conjunction to Venus. Transiting Uranus also hit that last year but this influence has past. I wonder what that was all about? It could be part of his examination of his ideal of marriage, maybe something significant happened that was a trigger for questions, I don't know but the influence looks like it has passed. Some more about this transit on:
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/uranus-cj-venus.html

More significant I feel is the progression of the MC onto the Sun at 26 degrees of Capricorn. He is a Sun Capricorn, with the Sun Conjunct Saturn. Ambitious, driven and maybe he is putting a lot of focus on his work and its future. It could be that he is has new prospects there that are making him examine his lifestyle.

On your chart things are the opposite with the Progressed Sun moving towards the I.C. Changes at home are more your area of concern, which seems reasonable.

Your Progressed Moon is going to Oppose your natal Jupiter within the next 6 months, so take it easy!

If we look back at your husband's chart we can see that your Progressed Moon is moving right into his 7th house.

More patterns again your natal Jupiter is Conjunct his Ascendant. This is the planet of expansion so I think he is being sincere when he says how important you are in his world. Expansion on his horizon - it says it there! It also suggest good will between you so however things pan out I hope this will help you through.

Please bear in mind that I am not a professional astrologer, this is just one of my hobbies. I have included references so you can check up on all the different things that are going on for yourself - hopefully you will stick around this board anyway.

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leenagidwani
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posted January 18, 2008 07:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi

am going through a distressed phase in my marraige..can you advise on whether you see it lasting or breaking.

Me: 20 Jan 1967, 10:17 am Bombay(Mumbai) India
Him: 17 Nov 1966, 04:23 am Nadiad, Gujarat, India

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blue moon
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posted January 18, 2008 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the words of Lenny Kravitz, "it ain't over till it's over".

I'll take a look when I get time, maybe someone else will do so before then.

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pippicrone
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posted January 18, 2008 03:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good work Blue Moon...while i myself do not 'do'astrology I know quite alot about it having had my chart and progressions done for years by amazing astrologers..I might point out that my own astrologer Lynne Palmer gave me this years solar return and progressions with nary a word about any of this..she doesn't 'believe' in saturn returns in the same way as many astrologers and she my chart being all about work this year..saw no issues in my marriage etc but then she didnt look at our composite chart..

so I must say that while yo may not be a 'professional' astrologer..interpretation is an art and you clearly have this gift

I wanted to ask you when this will occur :
If we look back at your husband's chart we can see that your Progressed Moon is moving right into his 7th house.

More patterns again your natal Jupiter is Conjunct his Ascendant. This is the planet of expansion so I think he is being sincere when he says how important you are in his world. Expansion on his horizon - it says it there! It also suggest good will between you so however things pan out I hope this will help you through.

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posted January 18, 2008 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Descendant is 1* Virgo 30' and your progressed Moon as of the 17th was 1* Virgo 5' so it is going to enter within the next month but is on the cusp now.

Sorry, the Jupiter conjunct Ascendant was natal - 6*Pisces 55' Jupiter to 1* Pisces 30' Ascendant. But that's good as it's a permanent thing.

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