posted January 23, 2008 02:49 AM              

Neptune: Spiritual or Psychic Trauma

Neptune in the First House or Aries: idealistic expectations about self-potential that generates a sense of having something special to do. Yet the awareness and experience of self seems so small as unconsciously compared to the Universe, God, or the Other. This awareness makes it seem as though the idealistic expectations about self are impossible to achieve. A disillusionment within the self generates a disillusionment with the all, or Other: the Universal. The trauma is one of identity confusion, and how to actualize or make real that which is instinctively sensed as possible. When Neptune transits the Ascendant, forms stressful aspects through transit to the planetary ruler of the First House, or Mars, or to planets in the natal First House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Second House or Taurus: idealistic expectations about sharing, exchanging and giving that which constitutes the substance of life itself, a substance that allows for life to be sustained. This is the famous example of the individual who would give you the shirt off his or her own back Thus, the individual by nature, owns nothing in the sense of egocentric identification with that which constitutes substance. Disillusionment through loss of natural values and beliefs occurs through, and because of, others who take advantage of the individual. This is done by taking away what is naturally shared and given freely without equally returning to the individual what constitutes their own substance of life; whatever it may be. Disillusioned the individual can unconsciously react by way of hoarding and taking because of a psychology that now feels that he or she is owed everything, by everyone. Irrational fear of destitution at all levels results from this. The psychic or spiritual trauma is one wherein God is not a giving, loving God, but an avenging, cruel God. It is evil. When Neptune transits the Second House, forms stressful aspects by transit to the planetary ruler of the 2nd House, or Venus, or to planets in the natal Second House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Third House or Gemini: an idealistic expectation linked with an inherent knowledge that there is a much larger reality than what is perceived or known by the logical, rational mind, and that others should understand and know this too. A frustration wherein their own inner expectation to be able to intellectualize, or put into logical mental sequence, that which is inwardly sensed can exist The experience of a limited language as spoken by most of the people around them is that which frustrates their efforts to communicate that which is essentially incommunicable. It is as if these individuals are tuned into a radio station that no one else can hear. Disillusioned by their efforts to communicate in ways, and about things, that no one else seems to understand can generate a spiritual or psychic trauma wherein these people can simply give up all efforts at communicating, to inwardly withdraw to the point of total reclusion from the world. When Neptune transits the Third House, forms stressful aspects to the planetary ruler of the Third House thru transit, or to Mercury, or to planets in the natal Third House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Fourth House or Cancer: an idealistic expectation that the world, the universe, the origin of all things, the home, and the family is but a universal womb of purity, simplicity, of love, and of nurturing for and through all. This expectation produces a natural emotional empathy for all, a compassion linked to the common suffering of all. Disillusionment and spiritual trauma occurs to these people through the experience and perception of a natural innocence which exists within themselves, and others, becoming violated, abused, destroyed and contaminated This experience is based on the ugly realization that impurity exists in others, that others can have malevolent intentions, that the world is no good, and that the soul can be corrupted. The natural child of innocence becomes lost, confused, and alienated within an impure world. An existential void of a godless world now haunts their souls. When Neptune transits the 4th House, forms stressful aspects through transit to the Moon, or the planetary ruler of the 4th House, or to planets in the natal 4th House these traumas can occur.

Neptune in the Fifth House or Leo: an idealistic expectation that the Eternal spring and dynamic of Creativity is unlimited and unbound, that this principle and dynamic is at one's disposal, and that Creation should be perfect and beautiful. Disillusionment and psychic trauma occurs when one realizes that one is not God, that the ego can not create in and of itself. This realization occurs when the apparent well of Creativity runs dry, appears blocked, when these individuals are not acknowledged as special and godlike by others in the way that idealistically and unconsciously is expected. Trauma occurs when what is being created appears to be insignificant as compared to what is ultimately or idealistically sensed as possible, when what others achieve or create seems more spectacular and grand than what these individuals create for themselves, and when others are acknowledged or treated more special than they are. When Neptune transits the Fifth House, forms stressful aspects by transit to the planetary ruler of the Fifth House, or the Sun, or to planets in the natal Fifth House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Sixth House or Virgo: an idealistic expectation of collective and individual purity and perfection in all things, of right action. These expectations are judged against some ultimate standard of conduct. For these people purity and perfection is unconsciously linked to the desire to sacrifice oneself, the ego, to the principle of service to another, others, or the Whole. These people carry an unconscious yet pervading undefined guilt that needs to he atoned for. This leads to the creation of personal crisis and masochistic type behavior, a behavior defined by the unconscious that leads to personal crucifixion to that which is impure and unholy. Psychic or spiritual trauma occurs through creating a life of suffering in a variety of ways including physical illnesses which can not be explained, cured or properly diagnosed. Trauma occurs via an inability to understand why their suffering persists despite every effort to purify and atone for themselves through personal sacrifice. When Neptune transits the Sixth House, forms stressful aspects thru transits to natal Mercury, planets within the natal Sixth House, or to the planetary ruler of the Sixth House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Seventh House or Libra: an idealistic expectation that all people are essentially pure and good in general, and those that they form intimate relationships with specifically. An unconscious desire to rescue or save people through masochistic self-sacrifice, a desire to heal the hurts of their intimate partners, and to have their own sufferings and hurts healed by others; and especially by their intimate partners. These individuals "see" the potential and spirit in all people, their partners in particular, and expect that potential to be actualized. Through identifying with another's inner spirit these individuals can experience disillusionment and great pain when the other's actual reality prevails in ways that seem contradictory to what he or she wants to see or believe. Disillusionment and trauma can occur when these individuals realize that they have given themselves away to another, and that they have nothing to show for it but pain and needs that have gone unfulfilled. In addition, these individuals idealistically expect the dynamics of giving and receiving, of equality, of justice, and of fair play to prevail in all human interactions, and especially between themselves and their intimate other. When these expectations go unfulfilled, when life experience teaches them that these ideals rarely occur, tremendous disillusionment and trauma can occur. When Neptune transits the Seventh House, forms stressful aspects thru transit to Venus, natal planets in the Seventh House, or to the planetary ruler of the Seventh House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Eighth House or Scorpio: this can be one of the most problematical positions for Neptune in that these people can unconsciously project a complex of fears, motives, or intentions onto people that creates the effect within themselves of being unable to open up to life in general, and others specifically, even though they desperately want to. There is an incredible level of intense suspicion that is projected onto people which is but a reflection of the impurity in themselves. This impurity reflects lifetimes of manipulating, using, and destroying others relative to their own purposes. When such behavior is pointed out these people create a stance of absolute denial. Through such inner denial they project that which they are onto others, the inner denial reflecting their own unconscious idealistic expectations of how they want to be, of how they want to see themselves. Psychic or spiritual trauma occurs when the holy mask that they create for themselves shatters into the nightmare of their actual reality, and when they realize that what they have projected onto others is but a reflection of themselves. The struggle between good and evil, masochistic and sadistic behavior is most emphasized when Neptune is in the Eight House or Scorpio. In addition, these individuals can have an unconscious fascination with "taboo" forms of sexual expression, a need to be dominated or to dominate, a desire to dissolve the ego through consuming forms of sensation of a sexual nature, and at the same time deny all of this to themselves and others. Some, by way of denial, will even pretend that they have no sexual desire at all, or that sex is a function of evil. Others can develop a superstructure of fancy or groovy words reflecting high minded intentions that only mask where they are actually coming from. A few will understand and experience the metamorphic and transcendent nature of sexual energy properly used. When Neptune transits the Eight House, forms stressful aspects through transit to Pluto or Mars, or the planetary ruler of the Eighth House, or to natal planets in the Eight House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Ninth House or Sagittarius: an idealistic expectation that the way in which these individuals view the world in general, and whatever specific views that they hold about the nature of some dynamic or experience that is occurring in their or another's life, is understood and shared by others. It is as if their "truth" must be general truth for all. Disillusionment and trauma occur when they are forced to see that their truth or vision is but one against many other truths and visions. In addition, many of these individuals have a core feeling of inadequacy and impurity which can generate the need to compensate for this feeling. This compensation can take the form of becoming incredible liars, the basis of the lies to create an illusion that makes them appear holy, grand, sincere, and much "larger" than they actually are within themselves. These lies can also be created to maneuver or manipulate others to do something that they want done for some devious and dishonest purpose. Disillusionment and trauma occurs when their lies are revealed, and when the actual reality of who they are becomes exposed and in their face. Some will have unconscious expectations that all people should be or are essentially honest. This is because this type of person is inwardly defined by this noble dynamic. Some are the very essence of unwavering honesty in all that they do, in the very nature of their beingness. Disillusionment and trauma occur when they experience the pain of dishonesty through others, when they become victimized by an unprincipled world. When Neptune transits the Ninth House, forms stressful aspects through transit to Jupiter, planets within the natal Ninth House, or to the planetary ruler of the Ninth House it can generate these issues and subsequent trauma.

Neptune in the Tenth House or Capricorn: idealistic expectations about the nature of family structures, societal structures, and the structure of the world itself. The essence of these expectations is based on the principle of sacrificing oneself, the ego, for a larger good; to others. The principle of sacrifice can have many forms, many applications. There is an unconscious expectation that purity and right action should define and prevail in any activity: large and small. These individuals are typically defined by an unconscious and uneasy feeling of guilt; that they have done something wrong, or that there is something wrong with them. Thus, there is a need to correct or atone for that guilt. As a result, this can generate life experiences in which their unconscious ideals of purity and right action, of egocentric self-sacrifice to the Other, are violated: the abusive father, the emotionally unavailable parent, the narcissistic husband or wife, the needy of this world who latch onto these people for dear life and abuse what is offered, the imperfect worlds that violates the expectation of purity and right action, etc. Over time these kinds of experiences can generate a horrible, depressive disillusionment and trauma that can create severe bouts of depression. This trauma can lead to a life in which these people struggle to throw off the undermining feelings of being continually defeated by life itself. In addition, disillusionment and trauma can occur through the experience that what is considered "real" becomes "unreal". Nothing seems to be permanent, nothing seems to last, and that the very nature of "reality" is but transitional images that come and go. And that what is "real" is only real for the time that it actually exists. Accordingly, cycles of despair, of fighting off an inner feeling of being consumed by a dark, bottomless pit define the inner world of these individuals. As a result, these individuals create a fundamental fear of loosing control and, yet, longing to do so. Paradoxically, many of these people will seem like beacons of salvation light to others because of this inner world. This is because these people know their inner pain so well, that it serves to motivate them to heal the suffering of others. This symbol, Neptune in Capricorn, or the Tenth House, is the ultimate symbol of the crucifixion of the ego. If you doubt this consider that Jesus was put on the Cross when Neptune transited Capricorn in his time. When Neptune transits the Tenth House, forms stressful aspects through transits to Saturn, the planetary ruler of the Tenth House, or to planets within the natal Tenth House, it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Eleventh House or Aquarius: idealistic expectations that all people everywhere should be treated equally and with justice. Expectations that all artificial barriers of caste, race,rich and poor should not exist, and that all social, economic, and political systems should be defined in ways that are equitable for all. These people have idealistic expectations, and a vision, that each member within a group has an important and equal function that contributes to the well being of the whole group. In addition, these individuals intrinsically expect that people should approach group activities with the spirit of how each person can add to the purposes of the group, versus what the group can do for the individual. Disillusionment and trauma occurs when all of these expectations are crushed by reality, when through experience these people realize that most people do not live or think in the ways that they do. Trauma and disillusionment occur when they experience one group dominating and taking advantage of another group, when they experience the horrible collective pain of people turning upon other people, when the awareness of so many people seems to be limited to the tip of their noses. This trauma can thus generate a total detachment from all external reality. This can create the effect of being extreme loners, removed from the fray that so many call life. Eccentric and iconoclastic, these people can experience a general uneasiness around other people, and others can also feel a vague uneasiness around them. They seem so "different" to most people, and most people seem so different to them. This creates the "plexiglass" effect wherein these people can be seen but not touched. And, for these people, they can observe life but never really experience it. Somehow they are always on the outside looking in. When Neptune transits the Eleventh House, forms stressful aspects through transit to Uranus, the planetary ruler of the Eleventh House, or to planets within the natal Eleventh House these issues can be generated with the subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Twelfth House or Pisces: this archetype symbolizes the sum total of all the astrological archetypes combined. Thus, issues concerning disillusionment and trauma as defined in this section on Neptune can occur in all the ways described for these individuals.
*Written by Jeff Green

What Sign/House is your Neptune in?

posted January 23, 2008 03:23 AM            

I think I'm always going to want that deep spiritual connection with an Other but to have more realistic expectations is always good, no?

Plus I think it's a blessing to be able to see people's potential, I just have to learn to keep reminding myself to discern what is potential and what is reality.

I think all of these 'traumas' can be transformed into something healthy once you've figured out what needs to be changed.

posted January 23, 2008 03:34 AM              

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted January 23, 2008 03:59 AM            

My Mercury also parallels Neptune,and so that adds to the theme of Neptune in 3rd.

I can STRONGLY relate to Neptune in Sagittarius because I do have idealistic views.....stemming from my mixed Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,
Puerto Rican,Native American,and Jewish background. I believe that everybody should love each other and be in unity. I even wrote a poem called "Unity" I believe in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's dream, but a lot of people don't believe in that. A lot of people are mean,cruel,condescending,patronizing to others. I knew well that it starts from an early age. There is a still a lot of racism in our society,but it's a lot more subtle. There are many blacks who are misdiagnosed and don't trust psychiatrists. There are lot of ignorance about neurodivergent conditions like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and other learning disorders,AD/HD,Aspergers,Autism,. A lot of people think we neurodivergent people are stupid,lazy,crazy,and other negative things. A lot of people think children in special education are all mentally retarded when many just have learning disorders like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia. I hate that many neurodivergents are put on medications because they are different...especially children. It's one of the reasons that I become a neurodivergent,neurodiversity mental health advocate/activist. I feel that treating others like you want to be treated is a very simple concept that everybody can understand,but it seems like it's the hardest one of all. I feel that my special education experiences led me to want to treat others like I want to be treated and treat others nicely. I don't call people "stupid" or other things. I don't think people are stupid. I hate when people think people are stupid because they have problems with speech to. A lot of people that judge people by their speech are very ignorant. After all,I hate when people did that to me. I hate that there is a lot of narrowminded people,bigots on our planet. I know what it's like to be called the n'word since my 9th birthday. I know what it's like to be called confused by blacks because I am mixed. I don't believe in using racial slurs of any kind. Like couldn't call white people racial slurs. My mom is white,and so is my girlfriend is. I just think racial slurs are wrong. I can't stand people who are bigots against gays and who call them gay slurs. After all,I know what that's like. I have been called those things. They made me sympathetic to gays and believe in gay rights includings that gay marriages should be legal. To me,it's wrong to have gay marriage bans just like it was wrong to have interracial marriage bans before June 12, 1967. My own strong feminine traits helped me to believe in gender equality. I hate gender stereotypes. I don't like male chauvinists nor do I like female chauvinists. I believe that males and females are equal.

I feel that my high degree of idealism definitely stems from a combination of my neurodivergence,my multiethnic background,and my being a male with strong feminine traits.

My Jupiter also conjuncts Neptune too,and so adds more to the theme of Neptune in Sagittarius. My Moon in Pisces squares all that,and so highly personalized.

I know that I am too sensitive,idealistic for my own good.

I admit that I grew up as what my fellow Pisces Moon Dr. Martin Luther King Jr called creatively maladjusted.

posted January 23, 2008 04:42 AM            

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posted January 23, 2008 11:27 AM              

Neptune in the 11th:

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This trauma can thus generate a total detachment from all external reality. This can create the effect of being extreme loners, removed from the fray that so many call life. Eccentric and iconoclastic, these people can experience a general uneasiness around other people, and others can also feel a vague uneasiness around them. They seem so "different" to most people, and most people seem so different to them. This creates the "plexiglass" effect wherein these people can be seen but not touched. And, for these people, they can observe life but never really experience it. Somehow they are always on the outside looking in.

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posted January 24, 2008 12:07 AM            

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Neptune in the Eleventh House or Aquarius: idealistic expectations that all people everywhere should be treated equally and with justice. Expectations that all artificial barriers of caste, race,rich and poor should not exist, and that all social, economic, and political systems should be defined in ways that are equitable for all. These people have idealistic expectations, and a vision, that each member within a group has an important and equal function that contributes to the well being of the whole group

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posted January 24, 2008 09:08 AM              

Its all true and it fits me perfectly - eveyrone says that im a very complez person and too idealistic to live in this world - i know that and i actually take advantage of my dreamy head on writting my stuff