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augentier
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posted February 09, 2008 06:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a guy I really, really, really like and feel strongly tied to. He is emotionally reserved and puts on the "tough guy" act around others but I find him showing his moods more easily with me, and more willing to discuss them.

Based on our synastry (I'm the one on the outside; and I had included our personal name asteroids for kicks) do you think it's the Venus-Moon connection working or is there something deeper going on? How can I make him more comfortable in revealing himself?

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LadyNeptune
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posted February 09, 2008 08:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! You two have a lot of trines.

I'd like to see both natals and a composite, but I think it's more your scorpio venus and AC connecting with his scorpio planets and 8th house planets. He probably feels "at home" with you.


Also, his SN *may* be connecting with your moon and saturn which would make for a deep almost "I've known you before" connection.

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Azalaksh
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posted February 09, 2008 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
auge ~

You've noted his Chiron in your 7th and your Chiron in his 7th??
And his Saturn on your Asc??
I'm not sure of ways to "make" someone be comfortable enough to trust you and share deep feelings and personal history.....
Trust and bonding are achieved by only one thing I know of for sure: TIME.
Also just Being There.
Being consistent and reliable.
Being non-judgmental. (Obviously, with the situation between you, you've shown that you are not judgmental )

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Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted February 09, 2008 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cute.

an older capricorn girl trying to coax a little crab out of his shell.

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted February 09, 2008 08:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Augentier! I'm not the world's greatest astrologist, but of this I am quite sure: It's your moon conjuncting his ASC. I have the same thing with my SO. Like your guy, his moon is in the 12th house natally (it's also conjunct saturn, so he's REALLY reserved). My moon is on his ASC and I definitely feel he is more open and emotional with me than he is with others. He has always said that being with me is very comfortable. Part of that may also be MY natal moon-saturn conjunction conjuncting his, but from what I've read, the moon conjunct ASC is also a big part of this.

From Cafe Astrology:

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You will feel a strong and quite natural emotional connection with each other. Very likely, you will stimulate a wide range of emotions in each other. You are even likely to tap into the past and bring forth feelings long held in check. You may be so much at ease in each other’s company that you reveal personal information naturally, surprising both of you. Something about the other person makes you feel safe enough to allow this. Emotions arise readily but may not always be comfortable and easy to deal with. In the moment, you may feel free to tell all but after the fact, you may be concerned about what you’ve so readily expressed. There’s no way around it, this relationship will be a strongly emotional one. Be careful of projecting past experiences into the current relationship. The aspect asks you to deal with stored emotions and how you are using the past in relation to the present moment. You will find yourselves sorting through a great deal of sensitive feelings and the sheer flood of emotions can be overwhelming at times. Growing too dependent on your partner to satisfy too many of your emotional needs could be another issue here. You will each have to decide which emotions of the other you can integrate and how best to handle the inevitable extra sensitivity you generate when you are together. Sometimes the emotional reactiveness to each other creates misunderstanding or you rub each other the wrong way. Trust and caring will be vital in your relationship to calm the waves of emotion. Reassure each other but give each other a break. It is important that you find an outlet for your excess emotions. Giving to others in some form of joint community service could be one way that works for you. Creative outlets could be another.

I'll look for some more interpretations for you.

P.S. I just noticed you and I have the same birthday (different year)! Weird that we are attracted to the same things in relationships!

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Sun - Capricorn (10th House)
Moon - Gemini (2nd House)
Mercury - Sagittarius (9th House)
Venus - Aquarius (11th House)
Mars - Aries (12th House)
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augentier
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posted February 09, 2008 09:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Azalaksh: I noticed the Chiron in 7th double whammy but I have no idea how to interpret Chiron in synastry..


LadyNeptune: Here are our natals & composite if you are still interested.

Mine:

His:


Composite:

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Azalaksh
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posted February 09, 2008 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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an older capricorn girl trying to coax a little crab out of his shell.
Hmmmmm, possibly time for some remedial-reading, SS7.21 -- she wrote:
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Based on our synastry (I'm the one on the outside;

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Azalaksh
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posted February 09, 2008 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
auge ~
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015251.html

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posted February 09, 2008 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree 100 percent with Purple_Chick, it's the moon aspects that indicate it. If you're talking about feeling comfortable and easy to show his moods, then it's obviously lunar aspects in synastry. It's very important to have lunar aspects in synastry.

for example.....My girlfriend's Moon-Saturn in Scorpio conjuncts my Sun in Scorpio,and my Moon trines that. Moons are also parallel each other so Moon-Moon bilevel.
She and I feel very comfortable with each other. I keep telling her that I feel that we are married in pastlives. hahahaha I can cry and show my tears with her,and she's fine with that. She and I can nurture each other....most of all,we care a lot about how the other is feeling..very responsive to each other's feelings.


but yeah..that's why conjunctions,trines,sextile Sun-Moon are relationship aspects because the feeling of being comfortable.

The same with Moon connections to the ascendant. I believe the same with the midheaven which is so overlooked in synastry, but cosmobiologists believe that's the most important point in Astrology.


" He is emotionally reserved and puts on the "tough guy" act around others but I find him showing his moods more easily with me, and more willing to discuss them."

BTW...A lot of guys are reserved and put on tough guy act..especially around other guys....a lot of guys don't want to be seen as weak,sissy. A lot of guys show vulnerability to the gals that they are involved with.

I definitely am no different.

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BLKFox
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posted February 15, 2008 01:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I say if you have to "draw out" someone's emotions, best to leave their emotions alone...they're "under wraps" for a reason!

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Sarai
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posted February 15, 2008 01:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLKFox,

Why do you say that?

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BLKFox
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posted February 15, 2008 02:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sarai,
Most probably because I worked in Mental Health for many years. I believe that "being reserved" is a defense mechanism (or intervention)and that people must be allowed the room to reveal themselves, or "come out" at their own pace... anything else may prove detrimental.

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted February 15, 2008 07:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLKFox - I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, but I think what was meant by "drawing someone out" was just a relationship where the usually-reserved person feels comfortable sharing parts of themselves that they don't usually share with others. I don't think we're talking about some sort of interrogation or psychoanalysis!

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted February 15, 2008 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Purple Chick,

I think I understand what BLKFox means. In her original post she states that SHE likes him a lot and that he tends to "show his moods more" with her than with others. But she doesn't tell us why she wants him to open up EVEN MORE? If he's already showing somewhat of a comfort level with him, what more does she want?

I guess I need more clarity. Does she have a relationship with him already? I'm assuming she doesn't but she wants one so maybe her question should be: How do I get him to tell me how he feels ABOUT ME?

So, I agree with BLKFox that trying to get someone to open up even more than they want is kind of intrusive and should only be done if you are a parent trying to get your child to communicate, but for another adult you have to treat them like an adult and let them reveal what they want when they want.

But if it's specific information about potential relationship, then really all she can do is come out and ask him how he feels about her or wait until he's ready to tell her. That's what I'm getting from this.

Geocosmic Valentine

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augentier
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posted February 16, 2008 01:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I appreciate the responses here..and I will clarify a bit.

I am friends with this man, and I do like him a lot. I know that this man is going to be a tough one to crack..based off of his life experience and just the person he is. I guess what I am asking is how do I make it easier, more comfortable, for him to continue to open up to me. Maybe I don't need to. Like BLKFox said..it's going to be a matter of time.

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BLKFox
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posted February 16, 2008 02:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Augentier,
--Sounds as if you have the normal amount of anxiety people have when they're surrounded by that feeling of vulnerability when you care, & you want/hope the other person feels the same way.
---I'm struggling with that one myself. BUT, today, I've decided to make my move and tell her how I feel...I am so afraid, and I am determined to go through with it...or I just KNOW I'll regret not doing this for the rest of my life.
Pray for me....

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augentier
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posted February 16, 2008 02:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh good luck!! I hope she takes it well I think if you have been genuine in your feelings toward her thus far things will go well

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted February 16, 2008 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi BLKFox,

I don't know if you told her yet, but I'm thinking of you right now and praying for the very best outcome for you and I wish you the best.

Geocosmic Valentine

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Sarai
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posted February 16, 2008 11:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLKFox, goooooood luckkkKK!!!!

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BLKFox
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posted February 17, 2008 10:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Augentier, Geo, & Sarai:
Thanks for your support...
I told her...I pulled her into the room as she was leaving, told her I love her, & why I wanted her to know...it was all very brief, but I didn't want to put it off for one more day.
She seemed surprised, her put her hand over her heart & said, "..oh, my heart..."--I told her I was serious, she jokes alot... (her Taurus Sun, Merc, Saturn, & Uranus are all in my 8th)she has Libra Asc & Sag Moon
We hugged, (initiated by me)and she went off to take her cat to the vet.
I am happy to have finally told after almost a year of fantasizing, etc....but now I feel really nervous about her response....I wanted more of a positive response....although, I'm going back & forth in my mind about what I would have said or done had she been more "positive"
OK, So I must confess, my Libra Sun, Merc, Asc, & Neptune usually has me vascillating 'till the cows come home'
Now I'm worried about how she'll be when I see her later in the week, & if she'll call me in the interim...it feels so very awkward.
I've been involved with two Taurus types in a row, and I am really surprised that I'm thinking about doing is again...
Libra & Taurus together is somewhat confusing

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posted February 17, 2008 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh god why are woman always playing the shrink with men, trying to "draw out" their emotions. Gimme a break, just be there for him, be his friends, and if he feels comfortable talking about his emotions he will. Why do you care anyway?

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augentier
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posted February 17, 2008 01:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh god why are woman always playing the shrink with men, trying to "draw out" their emotions.

Not trying to play his shrink, read what I said and you will see that I said I just want to make him feel comfortable.

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..just be there for him, be his friends, and if he feels comfortable talking about his emotions he will.

Check, check, and check.

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Why do you care anyway?

Because I love him and I want him to feel good.


Now my question for you: is there a reason to be a b!tch about this?

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posted February 17, 2008 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I prefer a$$hole to b!tch , seeing as I'm a male.

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Purple_Chick_71
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posted February 17, 2008 03:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Augentier - I just want you to know that I understand what you are trying to say. One of the best feelings in the world is to be known, understood and accepted. And when you truly love someone and they love you, you want both of you to feel this way when you are together. Maybe some people don't understand that THIS is a big part of real intimacy; it's not just body parts rubbing together! (Which is awfully nice, too! lol)

But, how can you truly love someone without knowing who they are as a person? And how can you know them unless they trust you enough and are comfortable enough with you to reveal themselves to you? No, you can't force it, because the other person has to chose to make themselves vulnerable. But it's okay to ask how you can make the person feel more comfortable doing this. I don't know if it's just who you are as a person, or your synastry, or the migration patterns of the duck-billed platypus...and I don't care! If someone you care about wants to share themselves with you, and you care enough about them to make it easier for them, then what's the controversy???

My SO and I say "I love you" very often to each other. But he has also said things such as "I know you" or "you know me". When he tells me he understands me, even when it's about something small and insignificant, it means so much. Especially since we are both reserved in many ways (I think him more than me). But still, to me, it is just another, maybe even deeper way, of saying "I love you".

So, poo on you to all the naysayers!!!

*getting off my soap box*


EDIT: BlueRoamer, men can be "b!itchy", too. And btw, she never said she was trying to be his shrink. And since we're dealing with gross generalizations here, why do all men think women have un ulterior motive??? :P

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Moon - Gemini (2nd House)
Mercury - Sagittarius (9th House)
Venus - Aquarius (11th House)
Mars - Aries (12th House)
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posted February 17, 2008 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly I think its more that all women think men have an alterior motive.

Everytime I talk to women they almost always act strange. They either act really cold and unfriendly, or really weird and nervous. SO basically women assume men only talk to them to have sex with them. That's ht impression I get, until I tell them I'm gay, then the whole attitude changes.

I don't think men think women have an alterior motive, I think most men don't even contemplate that. They either think ur hot and they wanna have sex with you or they don't. It's really that simple

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