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heart cakes
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posted February 11, 2008 11:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what i mean is, if you have a triple conjunction opposing another triple conjunction, obviously when interpreting it you have to modify the meansings of everything in terms of how they all relate and blend toghether, right? but doesn't that make conventional, individual interpretations almost meaningless? what i mean is, it would seem that the more planets that are involved, the more complex and variable the dynamics would be, with that many more potential interpretations.

so in the case of a triple conjunction of mercury-mars-sun opposing a triple conjunction of jupiter-saturn-venus in a composite chart would basically be SO many aspects all intertwined that you probably could not give the standard interpretations for any one of those dynamics and have it be accurate; it would be a brand new dynamic altogether, right? like, the three planets in conjunction would blend into a new energy that is even more difficult to pinpoint in itself as an independent energy.. right?

so what i'm saying is, how in heaven's name do you interpret such a thing successfully? can it be done?

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posted February 11, 2008 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The answer to all of your questions is YES. It's called Synthesis. This is the point in your learning interpretation should bring you to sitting down with some books that are not just about aspects and what they mean. You need to read some more advanced books and/or study with someone who can bring you from beginner to intermediate astrology. And if you don't think you're interested enough in going that far, then you need to just hire an astrologer to interpret the chart.

You're not going to find many astrologers who will voluntarily share that kind of information on the internet. That's when you're really getting into the nitty gritty of chart interpretation. I could be wrong, you may find someone.

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posted February 12, 2008 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just approach Astrology like a language which many Astrologers refer to it as

passionate,assertive expression,communications and structured expansive affections,values are at odds with each other and need to be balanced

can indicate clashing of values,beliefs due to dogmatic thinking

the awareness of different viewpoints,values one's affections to prevent arguments and communication blocks


planets - actors
signs - costumes that the actors wear
houses - stages that the actors perform on
aspects - dialogue between the actors

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posted February 12, 2008 12:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus that is a perfect analogy

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Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
Mars::Pisces

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heart cakes
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posted February 12, 2008 05:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks guys! i agree completely and what you both say makes total sense..

but what i'm thinking is, there really *is* no way to boil it down to the precise meaning, is it? that would be a very amazing alchemical process! just given how many differing interpretations there are for *one* particular aspect. it boggles the mind! that is where intuition comes in.. but i'm wondering, is synthesis capable of mathematical-like precision? i'm just confused. i am interested in becoming professional someday and learning as much as there is to learn, but sometimes i wonder if it's all just a guessing game and if it's sort of pointless in a way. i mean, you'd NEED to be psychic to make proper sense of a chart, wouldn't you? or am i missing something?

i know i'm branching out from my original question a bit, but it got me thinking..

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posted February 12, 2008 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exellent answers Geo and Glacus

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posted February 12, 2008 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Heartcakes, you are missing something, and I mean that gently. When you mention the mathematic precision, I think you want the planets to give you an exact meaning, or you want the planets to give you a definite answer, and that takes away your FREE WILL.

I also think you want astrology to be something that you can easily pick up in tidbits on the internet. Some people can do that, some people can't. If you want to do it professionally some day, consider taking some classes. I've seen you figuring things out and you are doing great as a beginner, but if you want to eventually become a consultant or a reader, there are so many more steps to learn than just what individual aspects are telling you. A GREAT first step is trying the formula that Glaucus put at the end of his post above. You have to begin using you imagination, which is the quickest way to your intuition and you have to begin not just using your own brain and opinions, you have to begin using common sense, some psychology and FEEL the planets and aspects. I know you will find your way.

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posted February 13, 2008 12:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks again..

well i just read my NN description in jan spiller's book- 9th house NN, 3rd south and i think that might be my stumbling block and my key to understanding this. i tend to try too hard to understand or gather information when intuition, for me, is the best way forward.

i guess it's just the idea that everyone interprets differently, and intuition is fallible, so if one person asked 10 astrologers the same question, they'd get 10 answers, and some would be quite disperate, and i guess i just question whether it might be somehow futile, in some way, because of this. like, there is understanding as far as we can, with formulae and metaphors, etc, and knowing the aspects and synthesis in and out, and then there is using intuition to propel the understanding deeper and to fill in the holes and find understanding, etc.. probably i am just confusing things and it is more simple than i'm making it, but right now i feel overwhelmed in possibility and am not quite sure that it is making sense. i think i just have to whittle it down. sorry, blah blah blah!

i appreciate your input and will think more about it! i'm sure it will make more sense to me in time.

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posted February 13, 2008 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you can do this with practice.

If you think about it, it is making the chart more descriptive, because it is building it up to reflect the contradictory, imperfect human being it represents.

Some things happen that are beyond our control. Some things about ourselves are fundamental, but it is possible to develop as we get older and not be trapped by our weaknesses. Just as an example, a friend of mine has some hard Neptune aspects. I read him out some cookbook definitions of them, he said they sounded like him when he was younger.

I don't think it is possible to use astrology to give an exact blueprint of what someone is like or what will happen to him/her. But it is a useful divining rod. Maybe some people will disagree, but that is the way in which I tend to find it helpful.

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posted February 13, 2008 01:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh i completely agree! actually i'm amazed at how consistently astrology is correct. it's just that it is all about energy and i guess i'm just overcomplicating things and trying to understand if it's even possible to be accurate when taking so many aspects or factors into account. i think i'm too thinky right now though to see this clearly. i'll try again later.

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posted February 14, 2008 12:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think i'm just complicated by how to interpret such a stellium-heavy aspect.. and it's boggling my brain!

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